All Blacks to play Samoa in Apia, July 2015?

[FlukeArtist]

Far out, its right there in English. You wrote a post in which I broke down paragraphs and thoroughly answered your questions. Now you cant do the same. Just read my big post lol and where there are questions answer it. Sounds so simple. Just read the whole post, you see this symbol ? then that means its a question, then just answer that. If it says to provide proof (like Ive provided) then??...you guessed it, provide proof. I hope that has helped flukey. I have to wish you good luck!

You know what Sam; I have listed the ACTUAL Facts above.

That's all that needs to be said.
I'm tired of going round in circles with you.

I haven't dodged a thing.

If I have *in your eyes* NOT answered a question, it is because I simply cannot make out what it is I am supposed to be answering.
You have used the "?" so many times in your post, it is hard to work out what is an actual question, and what is a rhetorical question.

As I stated before, the facts are above (In the post I wrote before)
If you want to dispute any of them; let me know.

 

[Sam Owen]

Seriously: Posting the same muddled response you previously posted doesn't clarify a thing mate.

You asked why you should be careful, I answered it. I didnt run from the arguement like you are doing now. Then I went on to clarify other things mentioned in your post.

A few points:
1. I said you opinion regarding Poly ABs being better than Non-Poly Abs was moronic - I never said you called the ABs moronic.
So lets try again: WHEN & WHERE Did I say you hated the ABs????

The facts are this Sam

Point taken or fair enough (see how I do that, not like you mate, you cant be understanding). After reading your posts it does suggest you think that I hate the ABs. But no you never said I hate the ABs. Im happy you know I love the ABs, they pretty much got me into Rugby. So now we got that sorted read properly and try to understand my post. If you dont like what it says just remember, I like the ABs and my opinions are also the opinions of others so dont just hate me for what I believe.

1. YOU have stated that without Polynesian players, the ABs are "average at best" *see CampbellLive#ABstoSamoa thread*
An opinion I found to be racist and insulting to all non-Polynesian players that have worn the ABs jersey. And one that you refuse to apologise for. hence; making you a bigot in my eyes.

I do apologise that you find it insulting and to anyone of my fellow kiwis but Im gonna tell you right now, without any P.Is in the ABs they would be average at best. All Blacks in my opinion have regularly been above average, I believe if you takeaway the P.Is and say for instance theres only been 200 P.Is in NZ, I dont believe they would be above average. In '95 RWC the S.A took away Lomu and then the sure thing ABs were just average IMO another example, the Canes lost Levave, Leiua and then they wernt themselves. Polynesian players make a difference and Im sure top NZ coaches would agree with me.

2. Not ONCE have I said anything racist.

Some of the things youve said can be easily mistaken as racist thats why I asked you to be careful! However you slapped racisim on me for my beliefs of the ABs without the polynesians. Maoris are polynesians!

3. Not ONCE have I stated you "hate the ABs".

Ive covered that as I do.

4. The people who I called Morons were not of ANY PARTICULAR RACE. In fact I only identified KIWIS and Eliota Fuimaonon-Sapolu.

Fair enough and keep it that way mate. I didnt read the part where you identified kiwis but Ill take your word for it. No I dont think your racist. It was you that drew out the word racist on me first so thats how racist got into this debate. It does sound like you are reffering to us Samoans though I hope you can see why.

Again Ive answered your post. Why cant you answer mine? Why dodge mine when Im standing up to yours? Come out man and just man up.

 

[Sam Owen]

You know what Sam; I have listed the ACTUAL Facts above.

That's all that needs to be said.
I'm tired of going round in circles with you.

I haven't dodged a thing.

If I have *in your eyes* NOT answered a question, it is because I simply cannot make out what it is I am supposed to be answering.
You have used the "?" so many times in your post, it is hard to work out what is an actual question, and what is a rhetorical question.

As I stated before, the facts are above (In the post I wrote before)
If you want to dispute any of them; let me know.

Ok answer this question. It has only one answer that Im thinking of anyway. This is the question that I asked after I answered your questions on that big post youve been avoiding or cant understand yet you seem to speak a lot about it as if it wasnt so muddled..

Ok think for a minute, you can do it lol. When you see the people asking (almost begging or carrying on like you put it) for the ABs to come over Samoa for a game of Rugby (I know its harder than how it sounds, extremely difficult). When you see these people are they Maoris? Are they Palangis? These morons that are inviting the ABs to their shores for a game of Rugby, what are they flukey? These morons you refer to what do they have in common?

 

[RoosTah]

Been wanting to use this ..

Seriously, though this thread just went thermal with you two!

 

[Sam Owen]

Ask fluke, he seems to pop up everytime his precious ABs is talked about possibly playing in Samoa. And if you disagree with the NZRFU you'll be hearing from flukey lol.

 

[RoosTah]

Hahaha fair enough. Personally I think it's great the All Blacks playing there. Their economic footprint has made it a bit hard for the Kiwis to justify it seems, but with the All Blacks and NZRU firmly "in the black" they ought to do more of this sort of thing.

As an aside, anyone know why the combined PI nations team never played again? They were bloody good in their brief existence, even if they didn't knock off any of the Tri Nations sides.

 

[FlukeArtist]

Ask fluke, he seems to pop up everytime his precious ABs is talked about possibly playing in Samoa. And if you disagree with the NZRFU you'll be hearing from flukey lol.

Or if you write something bigoted

"lol"

 

[FlukeArtist]

Ok answer this question. It has only one answer that Im thinking of anyway. This is the question that I asked after I answered your questions on that big post youve been avoiding or cant understand yet you seem to speak a lot about it as if it wasnt so muddled..

Ok think for a minute, you can do it lol. When you see the people asking (almost begging or carrying on like you put it) for the ABs to come over Samoa for a game of Rugby (I know its harder than how it sounds, extremely difficult). When you see these people are they Maoris? Are they Palangis? These morons that are inviting the ABs to their shores for a game of Rugby, what are they flukey? These morons you refer to what do they have in common?

I'm going to very clear here from the start: I never referred to the people of Samoa as morons.
As I stated before I clearly said: Kiwis and Eliota.
If you want me to answer your question as to "who are the PEOPLE that want the ABs to come to their country" - they are Samoans
NOTE: YOU added the word Morons to that statement NOT ME.
Not once I did I actually refer to Samoans, or the people of Samoa AT ALL.
You need to read posts more carefully before writing this kind of inflammatory rubbish.


Fair enough and keep it that way mate

Don't try and act high and mighty mate- you are the only one who needs to pull his head in about racism.

So just for clarification; without Lomu; Fitzpatrick, the Brookes, Kronfeld, Mehrtens, Osborne, Jones, etc all average?
Wake up to yourself.
He was one player, and it is a team sport.

there are plenty of times I could claim the ABs would be average without McCaw.

But the difference between you and I is that you have stated that without Polys the ABs would be "average at best"
Which ostensibly means about number 5 in world rankings.
And THAT is complete Bull5#!*
We have plenty of GREAT (NOT good) players that are non-Polynesian.

 

[donmcdazzle]

Ok think for a minute, you can do it lol. When you see the people asking (almost begging or carrying on like you put it) for the ABs to come over Samoa for a game of Rugby (I know its harder than how it sounds, extremely difficult). When you see these people are they Maoris? Are they Palangis? These morons that are inviting the ABs to their shores for a game of Rugby, what are they flukey? These morons you refer to what do they have in common? Question 1

No further questions your honour.


I dont share Eliotas beliefs, I do find them interesting but hes like many others out there. Some Rugby fans on our forum Ive red similar stuff towards the peoples that Eliotas spoke out about. You could maybe slap Jesus old saying on it 'let he who are without sin cast the first stone', Im not trying to justify his actions but the fact is a lot of us have said things similar to what hes getting hated for. Yes hes in a postion where he should becareful but why should we be allow to bag reffs (not that I do that cos thats just stupid) or the IRB and he cant. Ive heard people everywhere do it worse than he does. Kiwi fans I heard were sending Wayne Barnes death threats cos he missed a forward pass. Eliota has his beliefs, I dont agree with them but I sure like to hear them and talk about them but I dont hate him.

Im not saying flukey that you're implying that I said the NZRFU OWES us anything cos Ive never said that (check all my posts flukey if you like). It seems to be you're answer that you're stuck on and you cant see it from the Samoans perspective. Im able to see things from the NZRFUs end and I totally understand. All my posts regarding this has said I understand the financial difficulty for the NZRFU also Ive actually posted that NZRFU doesnt owe us to play over home so I dont know why you keep bringing this up. Is that all you got for me?-Question 2


You're the one twisting as you're about to be found out with your post underneath..



Now I said ABs were moronic?? Question 3 (anyone show me where, thats this guy for ya), now you are making me look like a ABs hater, do you really believe that? Queston 4 Or do you feel like a moron when you try to slap 'Sam Owen the AB hater' together? Question 5 Whos twisting now son? Question 6 I love the ABs, always have but Its posters like you that let down all the kiwi posters in here, you're too proud to take off your AB shades. Samoa loves the ABs thats why we want them, Jesus for cryin out loud. Awhile ago the Manu was known as the All Blacks B side, while we were offended we didnt blow up about it. AB selectors didnt wanna know about Frank Bunce and then he plays outstanding for us in the '91 RWC (I think it was) and then they quick to pick him up, we didnt blow up about it either.

Oh actually whos always been twisting? Question 7 If you hadnt always been twisting then provide undeniable, clear as day proof, where it says exactly what you claim in the post above (the bold sentences). Provide proof of derogartory statements Ive said and of every 'All Black of Non Polynesian decent being inferior to the ABs of Polynesian decent'. Do not provide my opinions as were all entitled to and try to..'twist it', just CLEAR CUT DEADSET proof (e.g. The polynesians in the ABs are better than the everyone else).

Now flukey please answer my questions and provide the clear cut proof to your claims against me (without any twisting). I will gladly apologise if you can provide proof and fair answers. Changing the subject or twisting this post here in your reply is pretty much you being served as you're backing out of the debate you put up. Please answer my paragraphs.

There you go I've noted out where he has asked questions. By the way Sam they've all been answered, if you had any reading comprehension skills you would realise this by now.

 

[Sam Owen]

Where have they been answered? and thank you for pointing that out for flukey to understand cos he couldnt see the questions you and I can clearly see. So your pretty much working against flukey with that post there. Thanks bro.

 

[Sam Owen]

Ok think for a minute, you can do it lol. When you see the people asking (almost begging or carrying on like you put it) for the ABs to come over Samoa for a game of Rugby (I know its harder than how it sounds, extremely difficult). When you see these people are they Maoris? Are they Palangis? These morons that are inviting the ABs to their shores for a game of Rugby, what are they flukey? These morons you refer to what do they have in common?

I'm going to very clear here from the start: I never referred to the people of Samoa as morons.
As I stated before I clearly said: Kiwis and Eliota.
If you want me to answer your question as to "who are the PEOPLE that want the ABs to come to their country" - they are Samoans
NOTE: YOU added the word Morons to that statement NOT ME.
Not once I did I actually refer to Samoans, or the people of Samoa AT ALL.
You need to read posts more carefully before writing this kind of inflammatory rubbish.


Fair enough and keep it that way mate

Don't try and act high and mighty mate- you are the only one who needs to pull his head in about racism.

So just for clarification; without Lomu; Fitzpatrick, the Brookes, Kronfeld, Mehrtens, Osborne, Jones, etc all average?
Wake up to yourself.
He was one player, and it is a team sport.

there are plenty of times I could claim the ABs would be average without McCaw.

But the difference between you and I is that you have stated that without Polys the ABs would be "average at best"
Which ostensibly means about number 5 in world rankings.
And THAT is complete Bull5#!*
We have plenty of GREAT (NOT good) players that are non-Polynesian.

Ok you be really careful not to be ok flukey! So watch what you say as you did answer the question, finally, don found the questions straight away. The answer is: Samoans. So you be careful what you say about us or any other race on here.

The first person to bring the word moron in is you in the same sentence as Samoans FACT. Also you only said Eliota in the post that were talking about, not kiwis.

Were you the first one to slap racisim on this? yes, you brought the racist card into it. I can provide proof. We wernt talking racisim but you initially accused me of being racist for my beliefs. This can be proven as I will show you up again later.

 

[Sam Owen]

Hahaha fair enough. Personally I think it's great the All Blacks playing there. Their economic footprint has made it a bit hard for the Kiwis to justify it seems, but with the All Blacks and NZRU firmly "in the black" they ought to do more of this sort of thing.

As an aside, anyone know why the combined PI nations team never played again? They were bloody good in their brief existence, even if they didn't knock off any of the Tri Nations sides.

I know it'll be great to have the ABs over here and thats what were arguing about because the way flukey is going on, its clear he doesnt want it to happen.

 

[Sam Owen]

Questions for you flukey. If there were no P.Is in NZ, would the ABs still be as great as they are now?

If all the P.I players that have played for the ABs played for say the Wallabies instead, would the ABs still have the same record against the Wallies?

Dont worry I wont be like you and call you a racist for your beliefs and I wont ask you to retract my statements via private messaging (maybe I should show everybody your private message) I mean who does that? You shouldve been around to tell Martin Luther King to not speak out his beliefs flukey and to retract his statements via private messaging. Dont worry I dont do what you do. Freedom of speech!

 

[FlukeArtist]

Haha you failed to read Doms post correctly.
Work on your reading & comprehension bro.

 

[FlukeArtist]

There really is no point trying to explain anything to you Sam.
You won't get it anyway

Haha first Jesus and now Martin Luther King. Awesome

 

[Sam Owen]

Flukey what do you think about my questions on post #53 of this thread. Can you please answer those?

Bro you dont want me to show everyone your private message you sent me ordering me to retract my statement so just dont go there. Racist, moron those are words you brought into this arguement. I dont do that.

 

[Sam Owen]

Haha you failed to read Doms post correctly.
Work on your reading & comprehension bro.

How come Don has found all the questions that I asked you to answer and you couldnt? Theres proof you couldnt "comprehend" as to where the questions were. Ive got no problem comprehending what you're saying but you have difficulty finding questions that Don found. Simple as that. Again, you been served lol.

 

[Sam Owen]

I tried to read that post Sam, but discernible questions are hard to find.

Hence why I am clarifying what question I am meant to be answering.

I CAN'T MAKE OUT WHAT QUESTIONS I AM SUPPOSED TO BE ANSWERING!!!
I can't be any clearer about that!!

Just list your questions like this:

1.
2.
3.

Don't write novels. Just write a question.

is because I simply cannot make out what it is I am supposed to be answering.

Yet again I provide proof, you dont provide proof flukey. You just say so. Anyway proof you cant find the questions. Oh and look underneath..

There you go I've noted out where he has asked questions. By the way Sam they've all been answered, if you had any reading comprehension skills you would realise this by now.

Don seems to have good comprehension like me, he found the questions. He was even nice enough to point it out. His post says what it says, no subliminal stuff, its just what it says. We both know Ive been begging you to answer them which you just finally done.

 

[nickdnz]

Well...

I'm closing this thread. If anyone has a problem with it PM me.