A Political Thread

[Amiga500]

I have to admit, decidedly mixed feelings tonight.
For me, its quite straightforward; the right to choose does not supersede the right to life. The existing law - that abortion could occur if the mother's life were at risk - was fine with me.


But, this is all on the DUP - it was their blatant corruption and sectarianism that brought it all* down. Unfortunately, they will be able to blame it on everyone else by the time elections come around.
*not that the Shinners aren't up to their necks in corruption either.

 

[McTallshort]

I have to admit, decidedly mixed feelings tonight.
For me, its quite straightforward; the right to choose does not supersede the right to life. The existing law - that abortion could occur if the mother's life were at risk - was fine with me.


But, this is all on the DUP - it was their blatant corruption and sectarianism that brought it all* down. Unfortunately, they will be able to blame it on everyone else by the time elections come around.
*not that the Shinners aren't up to their necks in corruption either.

Because you will never be in a position to make that choice. As for it being fine with you, I guess you have never had to face being pregnant after being raped.

 

[Amiga500]

Because you will never be in a position to make that choice. As for it being fine with you, I guess you have never had to face being pregnant after being raped.

Funnily enough as a fella, I haven't faced being pregnant.

I take it you agree with the death sentence then?

 

[McTallshort]

Funnily enough as a fella, I haven't faced being pregnant.

I take it you agree with the death sentence then?

Don't talk rubbish. Execution is completely different to birth control.

And I know you will never be pregnant which is why you will never understand the need for a abortion.

Never had you down as a right wing evangelical type

 

[Amiga500]

Don't talk rubbish. Execution is completely different to birth control.

Is it? Really?

Out of sight, out of mind.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Is it? Really?

Yes.
What a stupid question.

 

[McTallshort]

Is it? Really?

Out of sight, out of mind.

Attitudes like this resulted in young Irish girls being locked in abusive convents for years sometimes having been raped by family members. Always loved the idea of celibate priests lecture woman on what they should do with their bodies

 

[TRF_Olyy]

celibate priests

Wishful thinking

 

[McTallshort]

Wishful thinking

Are yes sorry child molesting priests. Can see now why they wanted lots of children in care or under the "protection" of the church

 

[ncurd]

As someone who is decended from a child born in a magdalene laundry (my great grandfather) and given away to an English family. I'm not a particular fan that NI had special exemption for outdated ******** religious views.

 

[Amiga500]

Yes.
What a stupid question.

Unique human life - by pretty much any measure you care to choose - is being ended.

Not much different from what I can see.


(BTW - I don't believe there is a god - so some of the others can save themselves the retorts on religious grounds)

 

[Which Tyler]

Might I make a suggestion? (AKA, I'm going to whether you like it or not)

Abortion discussions can get rather heated; and whilst they do belong in a politics thread; it might be a better idea to create a separate thread for that one. It could end up being a rather lengthy one, that is quite the side-track for those using the thread to talk about current issues.

As a statement on abortion which I have no intention of re-visiting or particularly discussing; I'm very uncomfortable with anyone telling other people what they can or can't do with their bodies. Abortion before the time that the foetus would be a viable, healthy baby (~26 weeks) should be the mother's decision, and no-one else's. After that time, then there's room for debate; I personally favour "if the state wants it, the state can have it" - C-section (or natural birth - mother's choice) and put it in an inucbator, then becomes a ward of the state unless the mother changes her mind on seeing the baby. Exceptions made for various medical defects detected in utero.
This is my opinion, and I do not wish to invalidate other opinions; everyone is welome to agree, disagree or take it point by point, as they wish.

The only alternative views I think are invalid are those suggesting than a foetus created by rape, or one with a medical condition that makes it highly unlikely to survive the first weeks should be forced to carry to term. Pretty much everything else is up for valid debate.

 

[Amiga500]

Abortion discussions can get rather heated; and whilst they do belong in a politics thread; it might be a better idea to create a separate thread for that one. It could end up being a rather lengthy one, that is quite the side-track for those using the thread to talk about current issues.

Yeah, I kinda realised after the last post and was gonna try and avoid more posts.

None of us are gonna change each others mind on the matter and will gain no benefit from arguing it.

 

[ncurd]

Can Brexiters please stop using the union flag?

https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1186573933774102528?s=20

 

[Amiga500]

Can Brexiters please stop using the union flag?

https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1186573933774102528?s=20

Would that mean you guys would be f**ked?

Would there be any chance of even a centre-right government in England if Scotland were ditched? Or can Labour carry enough votes in England/Wales to make a government?

 

[Which Tyler]

Can Brexiters please stop using the union flag?

https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1186573933774102528?s=20

Well, they DO want to dissolve the union!

 

[ncurd]

Would that mean you guys would be f**ked?

Would there be any chance of even a centre-right government in England if Scotland were ditched? Or can Labour carry enough votes in England/Wales to make a government?

I think we're boned,

So Blair with his center-leftish New Labour had his best year in 1997
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_United_Kingdom_general_election

We'll kill off NI as well as Scotland

Which meant 569 seats, the speaker counts for 4 so 565 so 283 seats to get a majority....Blair got...362 so huge landside.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_United_Kingdom_general_election_in_England
2005 315 seats, required so still get a majority of 22

So maybe not as boned as we thought but those Scottish seats sure did help, it should be also noted LD support was considerably higher back then.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

We can't let the Scots to, theyre the only MPs with enough back bone to call the tories out on their ****

 

[Amiga500]

I suppose a LD vote is slightly more likely to transfer from a Tory vote than a Labour vote.

 

[ncurd]

I suppose a LD vote is slightly more likely to transfer from a Tory vote than a Labour vote.

Labour and LD have different strongholds to some extent those from predominantly rural areas, leafy suburbs ie high population of middle class voters tend to sway LD as the anti-Tory vote as opposed to Labour. In the SW where I grew up nobody voted Labour they just a nothing entity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_United_Kingdom_general_election_in_England

The joke was "lets punish the Lib Dems for getting in bed with the Tories by voting in the Tories"

You'll note its in North and London LD's lost seats to Labour but in South it was almost entirely Tory especially the SW which basically actual strength went completely.