A Political Thread pt. 2

[The Seeker]

I'm currently watching a time travel TV show (Timeless) and have just come across an episode featuring Joe McCarthy and his communist hunt.

Looked him up to understand him a bit more and came across this from the US senate archives

Does anyone else think there's a parallel between McCarthy and what's happening today?

U.S. Senate: "Have You No Sense of Decency?"

1941: Have You No Sense of Decency? -- June 9, 1954

www.senate.gov

Particularly the second and third paragraphs.

Yes, I can see the parallel. McCarthy was paranoid about Communists and Trump (and his far right fanatics) are paranoid about pretty much everything.

 

[dirty harry]

You obviously didn't read and especially didn't understand the article.

In Jan the deepseek announcement did indeed wipe a large amount of value off Nvidia.

It also very much brought into question the US claims that only countries capable of invested 500+bn could compete or even develop AI.

But to try and blame that one event and it's immediate consequences for this week's markets crash is totally off the rails and shows how inept the current American government is.

I don't expect you to understand or believe because you are just contrary to everybody deliberately to be a WUM.

I won't engage any further with you on this because I have a life unlike you.

You can misrepresent all you like, I still laugh at your attempts lol

Be better.

 

[General Melchett]

If only I had a subscription that would enable me to digest this high quality and unbiased content.

America’s astonishing act of self-harm

Trump’s tariffs will upend the global economic order and tarnish US prosperity

www.ft.com

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

To be fair, I'm not sure of what who where or when, or of guilt or innocence....

But of 20 year old incidents are pressed civilly, and following complaints are post documentary, it is a little suspect IMHO.

Brand has been pretty outspoken that he wanted these cases to be formally investigated, and he thanks the courts for the opportunity to defend himself publicly.

Brand has always been a but of a scum bag but I can't imagine between 2001 and 2005 he had any problem attracting women. I know at least 5 or 6 cases against him in the 2000s were proved false including 1 women who accused him of rape when she claimed she thought he was wearing a condon when he wasn't, and another claimed he assaulted her in a bar before cctv proved her claim false.

I'm not saying he's innocent or guilty, but 20 year old cases seems suspicious.

Regardless of the merits of this specific case, it's unfortunately not uncommon for women to not report rape at the time it happens for a whole variety of reasons. It's particularly the case where said individual is a celebrity with an almost cult like following.

I can't say one way it the other whether he did it but he's been found guilty so one would imagine the evidence should have been fairly compelling if the case was many years old.

 

[General Melchett]

Regardless of the merits of this specific case, it's unfortunately not uncommon for women to not report rape at the time it happens for a whole variety of reasons. It's particularly the case where said individual is a celebrity with an almost cult like following.

I can't say one way it the other whether he did it but he's been found guilty so one would imagine the evidence should have been fairly compelling if the case was many years old.

The sheer volume of women coming forward about Al Fayed years after the incidents supports this. It takes incredible bravery knowing that you're very likely going to be in the media - something most people don't want.

I honestly don't know why anyone would speculate and give Brand the benefit of the doubt based on a hunch. I'd rather rely on the justice system and let the people within it do their jobs.

 

[ncurd]

Regardless of the merits of this specific case, it's unfortunately not uncommon for women to not report rape at the time it happens for a whole variety of reasons. It's particularly the case where said individual is a celebrity with an almost cult like following.

I can't say one way it the other whether he did it but he's been found guilty so one would imagine the evidence should have been fairly compelling if the case was many years old.

Also supposedly an extremely open secret in the comedy industry for years. I'm sure character witnesses of similar behaviour were easy to find.

 

[ncurd]

The sheer volume of women coming forward about Al Fayed years after the incidents supports this.

Always been my view one or two allegations deserve the benefit of the doubt. If your reaching double figures you're almost certainly a wrong un.

 

[McTallshort]

To be fair, I'm not sure of what who where or when, or of guilt or innocence....

But of 20 year old incidents are pressed civilly, and following complaints are post documentary, it is a little suspect IMHO.

Brand has been pretty outspoken that he wanted these cases to be formally investigated, and he thanks the courts for the opportunity to defend himself publicly.

Brand has always been a but of a scum bag but I can't imagine between 2001 and 2005 he had any problem attracting women. I know at least 5 or 6 cases against him in the 2000s were proved false including 1 women who accused him of rape when she claimed she thought he was wearing a condon when he wasn't, and another claimed he assaulted her in a bar before cctv proved her claim false.

I'm not saying he's innocent or guilty, but 20 year old cases seems suspicious.

so Jimmy Savilles claims were suspicious then? Just because someone can attract women doesn't mean they aren't a nutty rapist. I think you want to believe Brand is innocent for some reason and are dismissing the charges because they are a few years ago which shows you don't really understand historical abuse or what victims have to deal with.

 

[Which Tyler]

Oh dear, well this must be embarrassing for you, this article links a NYP article from Jan 27th that makes the claim the Chinese AI wiped off 1T from US tech companies...

Oh dear, well this must be embarrassing for you, this article is quoting Bessent from this interview: , which it links in the very first paragraph, and was posted at 7.00pm BST on Friday 4th of April 2025.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Brand has always been a but of a scum bag but I can't imagine between 2001 and 2005 he had any problem attracting women. I know at least 5 or 6 cases against him in the 2000s were proved false including 1 women who accused him of rape when she claimed she thought he was wearing a condon when he wasn't, and another claimed he assaulted her in a bar before cctv proved her claim false.

And rape is nothing to do with sex or attraction, it's about power over the victim(s). Use of celebrity/money/position as a shield in Brand, Al Fayed and Savile's cases.

 

[dirty harry]

Always been my view one or two allegations deserve the benefit of the doubt. If your reaching double figures you're almost certainly a wrong un.

This is an incredibly dangerous mindset...

Inevitably whenever there is an allegation against a celebrity or public figure it is followed by a number of other allegations, like people don't jump on band wagons for notoriety, political aims or financial gain.

Again, I never said I know which way any of this went, I'm not a Brand guy, but the rate of which you guys all jump to the exact same position, on any varying topic is sheep like. It's almost like you all have the exact same opinions on every single topic...

Do you guys think that's natural?

 

[dirty harry]

WTH? Bessent tries to blame market sell-off on DeepSeek versus Trump’s tariffs

Investing.com -- In an astonishing interview, U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent blamed the stock market plunge on China's DeepSeek versus President Trump's tariffs.

uk.finance.yahoo.com

https://www.reuters.com/markets/treasurys-bessent-market-drop-mag-7-problem-not-maga-one-tucker-carlson-2025-04-04/

Treasury Secretary Bessent blames Trump tariff sell-off in markets on deflating AI bubble—‘that’s a Mag 7 problem, not a MAGA problem’

Bessent appears to be more interested in bringing down borrowing costs to stave off a potential sovereign debt doom loop than in the $1.5 trillion drop in equities.

fortune.com

Few more sources for you, I posted the NYPost first, because that's where I first saw it.

It's as maga as you can get, so it's not a "lefties" thing.

Nightmare on Wall Street as tech stocks lose $1T over Chinese AI startup DeepSeek

Thisnis the ***le of the NYP article that discusses that the Chinese AI start up wide 1T off stocks, and goes on to say it will cause a chain reaction and crash globally lol.

My position isn't that Bessent didn't say it, my position is your source posted made the claim before him hahahaha

Come on man, research your sources better. Don't condemn someone for saying what your source predicted 2 months ago hahaha

 

[Bada-Bing!]

This is an incredibly dangerous mindset...

Well you finding the above comment funny clearly shows the state of your mind.

Do you guys think that's natural?

It's a response to your inflammatory comment.

 

[dirty harry]

Well you finding the above comment funny clearly shows the state of your mind.

It's a response to your inflammatory comment.

Please pick out what was inflammatory, the fact that I said I didn't know what happened, that Brand had a lot of female attention, or that some people use these types of situations for nefarious reasons?

Please, go quote my inflammatory remarks!

 

[McTallshort]

This is an incredibly dangerous mindset...

Inevitably whenever there is an allegation against a celebrity or public figure it is followed by a number of other allegations, like people don't jump on band wagons for notoriety, political aims or financial gain.

Again, I never said I know which way any of this went, I'm not a Brand guy, but the rate of which you guys all jump to the exact same position, on any varying topic is sheep like. It's almost like you all have the exact same opinions on every single topic...

Do you guys think that's natural?

"Honestly I'm not a Brand guy, really I'm not but let's be honest he's so good looking he doesn't need to rape anyone and it's because he's a celebrity that everyone just accuses him of being a wrong un and because he speaks the truth in his YouTube channel all you sheep just want to believe but I'm objective, I do my own research and never take any extreme position for the sake of attention. You lot are all just brainwashed by the mainstream media but I get my information from reliable sources like Joe Rogan, Jimmy Dore and Russell Bra...oh wait no not him. So that makes me mega informed compared to you lot ha ha Lol Lol Lol"

 

[dirty harry]

"Honestly I'm not a Brand guy, really I'm not but let's be honest he's so good looking he doesn't need to rape anyone and it's because he's a celebrity that everyone just accuses him of being a wrong un and because he speaks the truth in his YouTube channel all you sheep just want to believe but I'm objective, I do my own research and never take any extreme position for the sake of attention. You lot are all just brainwashed by the mainstream media but I get my information from reliable sources like Joe Rogan, Jimmy Dore and Russell Bra...oh wait no not him. So that makes me mega informed compared to you lot ha ha Lol Lol Lol"

This is what I'm talking about, no interest in honesty, it's just win win win, beat anyone with any sort of position with nuance, or anyone who asks questions, there is a correct opinion and then there are evil Nazis...

This is why Trump is a thing, and it's why reactionary politics are increasing across Europe. It will end bad for all of us if we continue to charge toward the edge of the cliff screaming Nazi at everyone who questions anything you disagree with!

But what do I know, I'm just a MAGA loving Nazi right.

 

[Saintjay]

I'll wait for the courts decision, simple really

 

[dirty harry]

I dont know who the guy in the box is reacting to this, and not sure if it's real, but my God that is a ruthless comment section...

 

[McTallshort]

This is what I'm talking about, no interest in honesty, it's just win win win, beat anyone with any sort of position with nuance, or anyone who asks questions, there is a correct opinion and then there are evil Nazis...

This is why Trump is a thing, and it's why reactionary politics are increasing across Europe. It will end bad for all of us if we continue to charge toward the edge of the cliff screaming Nazi at everyone who questions anything you disagree with!

But what do I know, I'm just a MAGA loving Nazi right.

"Yeah you lot have no honesty, you post stuff from CNN, BBC and other regulated platforms that I don't agree with while I always show my sources! Just look on Google! And stop calling me a MAGA nazi it's you lot that are Nazis attacking people's freedom to spread misinformation and thinking Putin and Trump are bad guys. It's because of you lot that the far right are on the rise in Europe and nothing to do with right wing grifters.. sorry meant truth tellers like Jordan Peterson and Tim Pool spreading reactionary ******** often inflamed and funded by authoritarian governments..not that Russia is Authoritarian it just wants peace and it's the evil so called democracy's in Europe who are the real evil ones lol lol lol do some research losers!"

 

[ncurd]

I'll wait for the courts decision, simple really

It's kinda why I sit where I do there has to be point where we can't wait for courts before action can be taken.

Saville is the extreme example but let's not forget he got away with it. Not a single prosecutor took him to trial. But we all accept he definitely he did what he did because of the sheer weight of accusations against him.

Another is Spacey found not liable in on court for one incident (Rapp sued Spacey) and not guilty on 9 counts in the UK brought by the CPS. This is the grey one there have been 15 accusations only 5 (from my reading have gone to court). Also apparently 8 diffrent reports of his behaviour on by staff on House of Cards. There's enough here to suggest his behaviour is terrible even if it doesn't step into criminal. Plus we know increidbly low conviction rates and it only takes one Dirty Harry for the jury to be tainted.

Not saying Spacey did the things but when there's a weight of allegations I'm unsure



BTW Trump is by a court of law a rapist of E. Jean Carroll