A Political Thread pt. 2

[Yulia]

That's on my list

Trip to the North Korea? In my list as well. Was going to buy a small beach tour there (in Rason SEZ) something like 10-11 years ago,but unfortunately it was too expensive for me back then (rather because of my authorized tour operator) and I didn't go there...by the way,North Korea became a bit more "open" starting from this year (not sure if it's the same with your passport though). They offer beach tours even for "individual tourists" (without any authorized travel agency from foreign countries,but only with their guides).
Also,if you are interested in what the life there actually is, I strongly advise you to watch a documentary "Under the Sun" (one of my favourite documentaries), as well as to read/watch anything from Lankov (one of the world's leading experts in the North Korea culture, politics, history etc), there's a lot of interviews with him on YouTube for example

Andrei Lankov - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Found also an article about current trips to the NK in eng, maybe will be helpful:

North Korea reopens to tourists after 5 years – here's how to visit and what to expect

All you need to know about visiting this famously secretive country.

www.timeout.com

 

[AlRums]

Interestingly, although I understand Trump must be popular in the USA, winning the presidency etc, I wasn't ready for what extent that was.

I just returned from New York, the merch was everywhere. Queues for Trump tower, locals praising him constantly, it was absolutely shocking!

Someone even gave me a MAGA hat. I saw plenty of people wearing them, and even the tourist hot spot sales people were referencing him and using his phrase to sell.

I don't hate the guy to the extent a lot of people do in Europe, losing all emotional regulation etc, but even I felt a little shocked. I'm not saying New York is Trump town, but I didn't expect that level of love.

And yet he was still elected by a minority.

Currently his approval rate is still way below 50%

According to Gallup, Trump's job approval rating averaged 45% since he took office in this second term. The latest poll, from March 3-16, showed that 45% approved. His first term overall average was a 41% approval rating. At any given time during both terms thus far, his lowest to highest approval ratings have ranged between 34%-49%.

A Reuters/Ipsos poll reported that as of March 23, 45% of those surveyed gave him a favorable approval rating of his performance in office. There's also reporting that public approval of his current job so far has remained higher than his first term in office and higher than former President Joe Biden overall.

What is President Donald Trump's current approval rating? See the most recent polls

Over the past week, the Trump administration has taken major steps on issues from trade to more job cuts, likely influencing his approval ratings.

eu.azcentral.com

 

[dirty harry]

And yet he was still elected by a minority.

Currently his approval rate is still way below 50%

According to Gallup, Trump's job approval rating averaged 45% since he took office in this second term. The latest poll, from March 3-16, showed that 45% approved. His first term overall average was a 41% approval rating. At any given time during both terms thus far, his lowest to highest approval ratings have ranged between 34%-49%.

A Reuters/Ipsos poll reported that as of March 23, 45% of those surveyed gave him a favorable approval rating of his performance in office. There's also reporting that public approval of his current job so far has remained higher than his first term in office and higher than former President Joe Biden overall.

What is President Donald Trump's current approval rating? See the most recent polls

Over the past week, the Trump administration has taken major steps on issues from trade to more job cuts, likely influencing his approval ratings.

eu.azcentral.com

I'm going to try not to wind you up, because your clearly uber emotional about this subject (I really hope your American) and some of the things you post are so skewed it's unreal...

The problem with your copy pasted stats, is that there are equal stats the other way that prove how popular he is:

- most presidents ratingnis below 50% lol

- his ratings are pretty standard for a US president, outside of the extremes

But we can also consider,:

- he is the most popular president in US history if we count votes from 2024.

- he has received the most votes any presidential candidate has ever received

- Trump is the most popular Republican candidate of all time

See, easy.

 

[AlRums]

I'm going to try not to wind you up, because your clearly uber emotional about this subject (I really hope your American) and some of the things you post are so skewed it's unreal...

The problem with your copy pasted stats, is that there are equal stats the other way that prove how popular he is:

- most presidents ratingnis below 50% lol

- his ratings are pretty standard for a US president, outside of the extremes

But we can also consider,:

- he is the most popular president in US history if we count votes from 2024.

- he has received the most votes any presidential candidate has ever received

- Trump is the most popular Republican candidate of all time

See, easy.

And he still got less than 50% of the vote

Count votes from 2020 and Biden got 4 million more votes.

Other than 2004 the republicans have post every popular vote since 1988 until last year

List of United States presidential elections by popular vote margin - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Reiser99]

I'm going to try not to wind you up, because your clearly uber emotional about this subject (I really hope your American) and some of the things you post are so skewed it's unreal...

The problem with your copy pasted stats, is that there are equal stats the other way that prove how popular he is:

- most presidents ratingnis below 50% lol

- his ratings are pretty standard for a US president, outside of the extremes

But we can also consider,:

- he is the most popular president in US history if we count votes from 2024.

- he has received the most votes any presidential candidate has ever received

- Trump is the most popular Republican candidate of all time

See, easy.

Most votes does not equal most popular, just means a larger population. Honestly, I'm trying to ignore the ridiculous crap you spout, but this is getting ridiculous.

 

[dirty harry]

And he still got less than 50% of the vote

Count votes from 2020 and Biden got 3 million more votes.

Other than 2004 *and2024* the republicans have post every popular vote since 1988 until last year

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List of United States presidential elections by popular vote margin - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

There are other ways to say these statements...

- Trump is the most successful Republican since alongside Bush since 88.

- not 1 presidential candidate has ever got as many as Trump's vote number (214 mill votes)

Your stats, are as bad as MAGA stats, your both different sides of the same coin... MAGA is a cult as is TDS.

 

[dirty harry]

Most votes does not equal most popular, just means a larger population. Honestly, I'm trying to ignore the ridiculous crap you spout, but this is getting ridiculous.

I 100% agree, this comment was posted to prove stats are stupid, and the pro and anti Trump stats can be used to prove a point... it's just sad that point is how ignorant both sides are.

Do you disagree?

 

[dirty harry]

Most votes does not equal most popular, just means a larger population. Honestly, I'm trying to ignore the ridiculous crap you spout, but this is getting ridiculous.

Wait, are you being willingly ignorant, or are you just on a team and want to attack?

You read what I posted didn't you? Are you ignorant of my point, or malicious in not caring I was making a point, and just wanting to point score?

Serious question, I hope you respond so I can explain my position fully!

 

[ncurd]

Most votes does not equal most popular, just means a larger population. Honestly, I'm trying to ignore the ridiculous crap you spout, but this is getting ridiculous.

An issue with FPTP systems is that the majority are ruled by minority regardless of who wins.

 

[dirty harry]

An issue with FPTP systems is that the majority are ruled by minority regardless of who wins.

There are a lot of criticisms of systems...

Which would be your favourite?

 

[AlRums]

There are other ways to say these statements...

- Trump is the most successful Republican since alongside Bush since 88.

- not 1 presidential candidate has ever got as many as Trump's vote number (214 mill votes)

Your stats, are as bad as MAGA stats, your both different sides of the same coin... MAGA is a cult as is TDS.

Name the last time anybody was nominated for president three times and when the population was in excess of 300 million.

Then you'll see how stupid your statement is.

 

[dirty harry]

Name the last time anybody was nominated for president three times and when the population was in excess of 300 million.

Then you'll see how stupid your statement is.

Hahahaha thank you!

So are you saying my statement is incorrect?

Can you say, Trump has received the most votes of any US presidential candidate in the history of the USA? It should be easy right, Trump has received 214 million total votes, no other presidential candidate has received more, so my statement is fact no?


We both know my stats are as stupid as yours, the difference is my stats aren't my opinion, they are a mockery of yours lol.

You know my position, I'm not a Trump guy, but you are so hell bent on winning, and making sure your team gets superiority you aren't being intellectually honest.

 

[AlRums]

Hahahaha thank you!

So are you saying my statement is incorrect?

Can you say, Trump has received the most votes of any US presidential candidate in the history of the USA? It should be easy right, Trump has received 214 million total votes, no other presidential candidate has received more, so my statement is fact no?


We both know my stats are as stupid as yours, the difference is my stats aren't my opinion, they are a mockery of yours lol.

You know my position, I'm not a Trump guy, but you are so hell bent on winning, and making sure your team gets superiority you aren't being intellectually honest.

Not really I use like for like as a comparison, you use an incontestable factor for no point at all.

 

[dirty harry]

Not really I use like for like as a comparison, you use an incontestable factor for no point at all.

Except this is a bit of a lie isn't it?

I made a comment about how I was surprised by Trump's popularity in New York, a notorious anti Trump city. I gave anecdotal evidence that Trump was revered better than I expected, and I caveated it with that it wasn't a 'Trump town', but discussion was far more favourable than expected.

Like for like would be making the point maybe it was due to being in tourist areas, or the softening of language used since a brutal campaign etc, which would have been perfectly valid points.

You went with skewed statistics that didn't make the case you wanted them too, like his approval rating and vote minority that are standard for US presidents lol. My skewed stats in return were pretty like for like.

I said as i engaged in Trump discussion I was reluctant because of the lack of ability to see nuance, regulate emotion or be intellectually honest from those who love or hate him, and sadly you've proved my fears correct.

I'm not going to engage with you going forward, I don't dislike or judge you, I just don't think there's any productive discussion here with you because you are unwilling to concede the tiniest bit of ground when offered, like admitting no other presidential candidate has received 214 million votes before, or even more sadly not acknowldging, but being faux offended by a great joke mocking the DOGE claim that USAID was funding transgender surgeries for animals!

The difference is you see me mock, and be critical of Trump as well as challenging one sided articles and stats.

 

[dirty harry]

Trip to the North Korea? In my list as well. Was going to buy a small beach tour there (in Rason SEZ) something like 10-11 years ago,but unfortunately it was too expensive for me back then (rather because of my authorized tour operator) and I didn't go there...by the way,North Korea became a bit more "open" starting from this year (not sure if it's the same with your passport though). They offer beach tours even for "individual tourists" (without any authorized travel agency from foreign countries,but only with their guides).
Also,if you are interested in what the life there actually is, I strongly advise you to watch a documentary "Under the Sun" (one of my favourite documentaries), as well as to read/watch anything from Lankov (one of the world's leading experts in the North Korea culture, politics, history etc), there's a lot of interviews with him on YouTube for example

Andrei Lankov - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Found also an article about current trips to the NK in eng, maybe will be helpful:

North Korea reopens to tourists after 5 years – here's how to visit and what to expect

All you need to know about visiting this famously secretive country.

www.timeout.com

I'm actually going to check these out cheers. Wasn't expecting the NK tourist board to pop up haha

 

[Yulia]

I'm actually going to check these out cheers. Wasn't expecting the NK tourist board to pop up haha

You know, a lot of things there are pretty different in reality,not like western propaganda often presents it (but same with the USSR, ex-Soviet countries,China etc etc). Although there's something more or less true as well (but shown from a different perspective). It's very interesting to learn about it anyway...so, really recommend you "Under the Sun". And what about Lankov, you can find interviews in English,or, if you are ok with reading Eng subtitles , I can recommend you a following video (just don't forget to turn on Eng subtitles) called "Shameful questions about the North Korea" :


The subtitles are not word-by-word, but it's pretty well translated to English and , even though they translated just in a general sens, I absolutely love this interview with Lankov. Looots of interesting information from Lankov about the North Korea and a pretty good interviewer with honest questions (he's a very famous journalist)

 

[AlRums]

Except this is a bit of a lie isn't it?

I made a comment about how I was surprised by Trump's popularity in New York, a notorious anti Trump city. I gave anecdotal evidence that Trump was revered better than I expected, and I caveated it with that it wasn't a 'Trump town', but discussion was far more favourable than expected.

Like for like would be making the point maybe it was due to being in tourist areas, or the softening of language used since a brutal campaign etc, which would have been perfectly valid points.

You went with skewed statistics that didn't make the case you wanted them too, like his approval rating and vote minority that are standard for US presidents lol. My skewed stats in return were pretty like for like.

I said as i engaged in Trump discussion I was reluctant because of the lack of ability to see nuance, regulate emotion or be intellectually honest from those who love or hate him, and sadly you've proved my fears correct.

I'm not going to engage with you going forward, I don't dislike or judge you, I just don't think there's any productive discussion here with you because you are unwilling to concede the tiniest bit of ground when offered, like admitting no other presidential candidate has received 214 million votes before, or even more sadly not acknowldging, but being faux offended by a great joke mocking the DOGE claim that USAID was funding transgender surgeries for animals!

The difference is you see me mock, and be critical of Trump as well as challenging one sided articles and stats.

No, you said and I quote

"Interestingly, although I understand Trump must be popular in the USA, winning the presidency etc, I wasn't ready for what extent that was.'

I never said a single thing about new York at all, that's all you.

Trump does nothing to remotely suggest "to see nuance, regulate emotion or be intellectually honest" is possible, to date, he has brow beaten his own people, and constantly threatened everybody else in the world. Should ww3 start I'm pretty certain it will start as a result of his actions and nothing else.

The stats I quoted are real figures, in that no republican, other than bush in 2004, since 1994 had more votes that opposing democrats. Democracy victories in that period have had more votes, therefore your "vote minority that are standard for US presidents" is incontrovertibly incorrect.

I'll concede your 214 million if you wish, but it is a pointless number since it means nothing more than he's only modern president to run three times, although he had more votes than Harris, he has never been voted president by a majority of his country.

Come back and engage when you have something useful or honest to say not attempt to be a wum all the time.

Approval/Disapproval is an opinion poll, nothing there is fact just a generalisation. It is a fact that in those polls nearly every one, other than a couple of very republican biased poles, say exactly the same thing.vthatvtrumpbgas higher disapproval than approval.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I'm going to try not to wind you up, because your clearly uber emotional about this subject (I really hope your American) and some of the things you post are so skewed it's unreal...

The problem with your copy pasted stats, is that there are equal stats the other way that prove how popular he is:

- most presidents ratingnis below 50% lol

- his ratings are pretty standard for a US president, outside of the extremes

But we can also consider,:

- he is the most popular president in US history if we count votes from 2024.

- he has received the most votes any presidential candidate has ever received

- Trump is the most popular Republican candidate of all time

See, easy.

Some lies in here. Trump has the second lowest approval rating at this point in his presidency if any president. The only president who had a lower approval at the same point was trump in his first term.

His ratings are not standard, not even close, they are the lowest and 2nd lowest at this point ever.

He is not the most popular president in US history because counting total votes is a really stupid was to gauge that. Vote share (as a % of voters and a % of the total eligible population) is a far better measure of actual popularity.

 

[AlRums]

How Trump could be president until 2037 due to Constitutional loophole

The path for Trump to serve a third term, and potentially a fourth, is not only possible, it is simple, according to experts.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Scary

 

[dirty harry]

Some lies in here. Trump has the second lowest approval rating at this point in his presidency if any president. The only president who had a lower approval at the same point was trump in his first term.

His ratings are not standard, not even close, they are the lowest and 2nd lowest at this point ever.

He is not the most popular president in US history because counting total votes is a really stupid was to gauge that. Vote share (as a % of voters and a % of the total eligible population) is a far better measure of actual popularity.

Again, I don't want to get dragged into the weeds with people who refuse to either understand context, or be willing to concede any ground.

But let's try one more time (although I will concede the average approval rating comment) I merely have 2 questions:

1. Are you missing the context in which I made clear a number of times, that stats to highlight one side of the argument can also be used for the other side, or are you just maliciously misinterpretation it? I'm trying to gauge whether you missed it through rage filled tears, or ignoring it to score points.

2. Has any other US candidate received more than 214 million votes?