A Political Thread pt. 2

[McTallshort]

Hell, F16s seem to have given Ukraine air superiority at least!

3rd hand ones at that.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

The only thing Europe can't produce is 5th Gen fighters but Russia has **** all of them too so sod it.

Isn't Europe in the process of developing one or 2 though?

TBH is there much need? I'd imagine the future is in drone swarms.

 

[Which Tyler]

Isn't Europe in the process of developing one or 2 though?

I was about to ask.
Typhoon/Gripen/Rafale ("gen 4.5") are the most up to date Euro options I'm aware of (but then, I am largely ignorant).



ETA: Google says that the Tempest is due 2035, don't know what "generation" that'd be.


The other question is how useful ultra-expensive, manne,d supersonic fighters are going to be in a drone war - obviously, they'll still have their place, but...

 

[McTallshort]

Isn't Europe in the process of developing one or 2 though?

TBH is there much need? I'd imagine the future is in drone swarms.

Yeah, UK, France and I believe Turkey but they are a few years off.

 

[BrokenWing]

ETA, Google says that the Tempest is due 2035, don't know what "generation" that'd be

It's being made by BAE, so expect it to be late and massively over budget.

 

[McTallshort]

It's being made by BAE, so expect it to be late and massively over budget.

No different from Lockheed!

 

[Which Tyler]

It's being made by BAE, so expect it to be late and massively over budget.

It's an expensive piece of military equipment, of course it's going to be late and massively over budget!

 

[ncurd]

No different from Lockheed!

Or any other military business. You can't bid the actual cost and timescale because you won't win....

 

[Which Tyler]

All this talk of planes...
Is NATO's best hope, that Airforce One is built by Boeing?

 

[McTallshort]

Or any other military business. You can't bid the actual cost and timescale because you won't win....

No. Sweden and South Korea tend to keep to budget and quality

 

[ncurd]

No. Sweden and South Korea tend to keep to budget and quality

Well thats probably because they dont make huge mistakes when putting it out to tender understanding what a realistic proposal look like as opposed to a joke.

Just been burnt too many times as an engineer where we put a realistic plan together and get told it's too expensive and would take too long. Get told to cut it massively. And low and behold it costs more and and takes longer.

 

[ncurd]

Weird double post

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Aren't the UK developing a jet with Japan?

 

[The Seeker]

 

[McTallshort]

Aren't the UK developing a jet with Japan?

Global Combat Air Programme - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Which Tyler]

Can we withdraw the state visit invitation?
"He can come when he's ready for alliance"

 

[AlRums]

Hell, F16s seem to have given Ukraine air superiority at least!

All supplied by Europe, zero by the US

 

[AlRums]

Here's the real reason Trump and Zelenskyy's deal blew up in the Oval Office

A meeting between Ukrainian President Zelenskyy and President Donald Trump exploded after Zelenskyy rejected a deal that did not include security guarantees for his country.

www.foxnews.com

 

[The Seeker]

 

[TommiG88]

So I was a loser, never signed a petition in my life.

No second state visit for Trump

This is UNBELIEVABLE. Keir Starmer has just handed Donald Trump a letter from King Charles, inviting him for a second state visit to the UK. It’s totally unprecedented, and I was so outraged when I heard, I dropped everything to let the 38 Degrees community know straight away. This is the same...

you.38degrees.org.uk

But I feel strongly about this