A Political Thread pt. 2

[AlRums]

It's a promise he made to the libertarians - https://www.politico.com/news/2024/...cht-sentence-libertarian-convention-00160025?

US libertarians liked silk road being a complete free market without govt oversight, use of crypto, and general anti-govt regulation stuff.

That's it basically

Or did he pay enough?

 

[AlRums]

Wouldn't be surprised if it was at the behest of whichever crypto bros championed $TRUMP and $MELANIA coins to him - a lot of OG crypto people love (mainly just the idea of, rather than realities of) Silk Road
Everything's quid pro quo with Trump, and he's made more than a few quid off these coins

Let's not also forget trump is defacto in charge of cryptocurrency regulation in the US.

 

[McTallshort]

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

It's a promise he made to the libertarians - https://www.politico.com/news/2024/...cht-sentence-libertarian-convention-00160025?

US libertarians liked silk road being a complete free market without govt oversight, use of crypto, and general anti-govt regulation stuff.

That's it basically

Even true libertarians still accept the idea of law. The silk road was a criminal network... Libertarians in the USA really do not follow libertarian ideology at all.

 

[AlRums]

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Thank God for Ian Hislop.

 

[AlRums]

Six Trump executive orders to watch

Even presidential powers have their limits - and in some cases, Trump faces hurdles before his plans can become reality.

www.bbc.co.uk

Rather good analysis of some of trump's executive orders.

 

[AlRums]

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

An absolute ******* manchild... I expect this kind of shitposting from your average Twitter user but from supposedly super-genius richest man in the world heading a government agency I kinda expect a teeny bit more maturity. I'm constantly baffled how these people ever end up in positions of wealthy and power when they have the emotional intelligence of a child and how people will defend such actions unwaveringly. Either they are incapable of recognising what pathetic and childish behaviour this is, or they are but don't care. Neither bode well. Collectively, mentally we are going down the toilet.

 

[Gavin]

Excellent

 

[AlRums]

An absolute ******* manchild... I expect this kind of shitposting from your average Twitter user but from supposedly super-genius richest man in the world heading a government agency I kinda expect a teeny bit more maturity. I'm constantly baffled how these people ever end up in positions of wealthy and power when they have the emotional intelligence of a child and how people will defend such actions unwaveringly. Either they are incapable of recognising what pathetic and childish behaviour this is, or they are but don't care. Neither bode well. Collectively, mentally we are going down the toilet.

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Musk got owned, as the Americans say.

 

[ncurd]

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I think theres a major difference between.

FGM is a barbaric practice that has no place in our country and should be banned.
And
There are some cultures that don't gel with liberal democracies.

The left need to adopt the first more predominantly but you should always adopt the former not the latter which is always a racist dog whistle.

You can expand, multiculturalism is great without it influences on music from the Caribbean would never have happened, curry and tea have become ubiquitous in the national diet. However we must also accept practices like FGM and subjugation of women can not be tolerated.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I think theres a major difference between.

FGM is a barbaric practice that has no place in our country and should be banned.
And
There are some cultures that don't gel with liberal democracies.

The left need to adopt the first more predominantly but you should always adopt the former not the latter which is always a racist dog whistle.

You can expand, multiculturalism is great without it influences on music from the Caribbean would never have happened, curry and tea have become ubiquitous in the national diet. However we must also accept practices like FGM and subjugation of women can not be tolerated.

Do you not see how your own sentence is what I just mentioned? Saying the are cultures that don't gel with liberal democracy and you straight up say it's a racist dog whistle.

There ARE cultures that don't gel with liberal democracies. Many cultures in the Islamic world don't gel with them and some of that is brought here. See the reaction to insulting Islam Vs insulting any other religion, that IS cultural.

Looking at issues in a culture is not racism, culture is a product of thought, not race. It's a set of beliefs and ideals, which you are now saying constitutes racism is is pointed out they don't gel with our beliefs.

A culture that says women are 2nd class citizens doesn't get with a culture that says they aren't, there's no 2 ways about that.

 

[ncurd]

Do you not see how your own sentence is what I just mentioned? Saying the are cultures that don't gel with feet and you straight up day it's a racist dog whistle.

There ARE cultures that don't get wet liberal democracies. Many cultures in the Islamic world don't gel with them and some of that is brought here. See the reaction to insulting Islam Vs insulting any other religion, that IS cultural.

I think your missing the point,

If you specific in the cultures and elements its not a racist dog whistle.

If your just saying "some cultures" it is.

Its the whole anti-semitcism over again if your specific in your criticism its not anti-semitcism if your over generalising it is.

Its not a hard concept.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I think your missing the point,

If you specific in the cultures and elements its not a racist dog whistle.

If your just saying "some cultures" it is.

Its the whole anti-semitcism over again if your specific in your criticism its not anti-semitcism if your over generalising it is.

Its not a hard concept.

Nobody is going to specify every aspect of every culture that doesn't mix with ours. When talking about broad things the comments will generally be non-specific.

The general premise is if there are aspects of other cultures that don't enrich a multicultural society and should not be tolerated. The answer is definitely yes. You shouldn't have to list them all it to establish that basic premise yet your response to establishing that is too immediately frame it as a dog whistle to racists if not specific, that's ridiculous and exactly the point I was getting at. A discussion on issues regarding immigration and culture clashes cannot even begin before accusations of racism are being brought up.

Take a basic and broad statement "there are aspects of Islamic culture that clash with our culture which have been brought here by people from those cultures and actively undermine our own." Anyone who is being honest can see this is true but I can guarantee the response to this on the left is "you're racist, multiculturalism is great, end of discussion."

Hell I'm saying this as someone who is avidly and frequently openly on the left.

 

[ncurd]

The general premise is if there are aspects of other cultures that don't enrich a multicultural society and should not be tolerated. The answer is definitely yes.

But the second question is always is which cultures and practices? What are you referring to?

Which the heart of my point you can accept the premise but you still have to challenge against the racism. You can't pander to the Tommy Robinson's of this world you'll never get them to vote for you.

You have to agree with the premise and give a socially liberal left wing side of the arguement. That can be done but you don't just accept the racists language wholesale without scrutiny.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

But the second question is always is which cultures and practices? What are you referring to?

Which the heart of my point you can accept the premise but you still have to challenge against the racism. You can't pander to the Tommy Robinson's of this world you'll never get them to vote for you.

You have to agree with the premise and give a socially liberal left wing side of the arguement. That can be done but you don't just accept the racists language wholesale without scrutiny.

It's not about accepting racists language wholesale though, it's about being able to have a discussion on the issue without immediately being branded racist. We on the left have lost ground here because we haven't allowed any discussion whatsoever in the new destructive aspects of other cultures being brought here...

 

[McTallshort]

But the second question is always is which cultures and practices? What are you referring to?

Which the heart of my point you can accept the premise but you still have to challenge against the racism. You can't pander to the Tommy Robinson's of this world you'll never get them to vote for you.

You have to agree with the premise and give a socially liberal left wing side of the arguement. That can be done but you don't just accept the racists language wholesale without scrutiny.

No one is saying you should accept it without scrutiny but cancelling people over tweets they made a decade a go or because they went black face at college for a fancy dress night is ridiculous and this is where the alt right stepped in and took over the free speech argument and now we live in a world of alternative facts and conspiracy theories and all because in the name of tolerance the lefts political narrative became very intolerant and debates around immigration and gender were just shut down in the mainstream and alternative media sources on the likes of YouTube saw and opportunity and ran with it.


There was always going to be a push back on this and the more democrats or the left here dug their heels in the more push back there was going to be. Then you had the likes of Disney turning the Star wars franchise into a pile of politically correct codswallop and somehow everyone thought that people would swallow it but quess what? Not everyone is left wing, not everyone thinks immigration is a good idea, not everyone thinks you should care about gender neutral toilets, not everyone thinks that men should be able to compete in woman's sport and content creators online jumped on this made loads of money and now not only has Trump taken the white house again but the right has now won a culture war the left started.

In the current climate the right authoritians are seen as strong and capable and the left is seen as limp wristed and weak and that because the left forgot who kept them in power.

 

[ncurd]

Then you had the likes of Disney turning the Star wars franchise into a pile of politically correct codswallop

Sorrywhatpardon? That's just nonsense. Some has had poor writing but none of that was poltical correctness gone mad. Its best show Disney has made was the most political (Andor).

Any when was the last time going blackface was acceptable in society?

I'm not say you guys don't have a point but you making it quite badly now...

 

[McTallshort]

Sorrywhatpardon? That's just nonsense. Some has had poor writing but none of that was poltical correctness gone mad. Its best show Disney has made was the most political (Andor).

Any when was the last time going blackface was acceptable in society?

I'm not say you guys don't have a point but you making it quite badly now...

Well you can only point things out to people, if they still refuse to see it then it's up to them.

 

[McTallshort]

Any when was the last time going blackface was acceptable in society?