A Political Thread pt. 2

[Cruz_del_Sur]

People got banned from Twitter because they broke Twitters rules which you agreed too when signing up to twitter.

I just gave you tangible and verifiable evidence that strongly suggest the contrary. And you just disregarded with without even blinking. The TOS are, like in most rules/laws we face in life, subject to the interpretation of an arbitrator (i.e. what exactly constitutes doxing, promoting doxing, etc) and the interpretation twitter held under dorsey was not just biased, it was radically different depending on who wrote the tweet. That is the textbook definition of a double standard.

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about up there and find certain far left views just as dangerous as certain far right views.

So let me get this straight: you are aware of most of the "right wing" things that are happening today on twitter, or at least informed enough for you to be worried and post about it, AND you were completely oblivious of all the "left wing" things happening under dorsey.
Is my understanding correct?

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

So let me get this straight: you are aware of most of the "right wing" things that are happening today on twitter, or at least informed enough for you to be worried and post about it, AND you were completely oblivious of all the "left wing" things happening under dorsey.
Is my understanding correct?

Yes and the point being that I don't follow political accounts or engage with political posts on the site.

 

[McTallshort]

I just gave you tangible and verifiable evidence that strongly suggest the contrary. And you just disregarded with without even blinking. The TOS are, like in most rules/laws we face in life, subject to the interpretation of an arbitrator (i.e. what exactly constitutes doxing, promoting doxing, etc) and the interpretation twitter held under dorsey was not just biased, it was radically different depending on who wrote the tweet. That is the textbook definition of a double standard.

You didn't give me evidence you just gave me he said she said. And again it's up to Twitter who they have on their platform. Musk is doing the same. It's a privately owned social media platform not the government

 

[Bada-Bing!]

 

[The Seeker]

Inside the poll numbers: Which key groups have moved — and which ones haven't — since Biden's exit

Young voters, Black voters and female voters have all moved significantly since Kamala Harris replaced Joe Biden in the 2024 race. Latinos, seniors and independents have stayed relatively still.

www.yahoo.com

 

[The Seeker]

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Inside the poll numbers: Which key groups have moved — and which ones haven't — since Biden's exit

Young voters, Black voters and female voters have all moved significantly since Kamala Harris replaced Joe Biden in the 2024 race. Latinos, seniors and independents have stayed relatively still.

www.yahoo.com

Of course Peeps should get out and vote still. It is never a foregone conclusion.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Labour are handling this "gifts" thing just about as badly as they possibly could

 

[General Melchett]

Labour are handling this "gifts" thing just about as badly as they possibly could

It's not good at all. I'd be curious to know what the donors are getting in return for all these favours and freebies. Starmer needs to get a grip of it fast.

 

[Amiga500]

Labour are handling this "gifts" thing just about as badly as they possibly could

How are gifts even considered a "thing"?

It's f**king obvious to everyone that there will be expectations of something attached.

 

[Which Tyler]

How are gifts even considered a "thing"?

It's f**king obvious to everyone that there will be expectations of something attached.

That's easy - because they always have been.
We're just getting less tolerant of it, and we're under the impression that this labour would be different

 

[Saintjay]

It's not good at all. I'd be curious to know what the donors are getting in return for all these favours and freebies. Starmer needs to get a grip of it fast.

Passes to number 10 as a minimum.

 

[Becca]

That's easy - because they always have been.
We're just getting less tolerant of it, and we're under the impression that this labour would be different

I didn't think they'd be any different.

Now we have Rayner using tax payers money, £68 k , on a photographer. Vanity knows no bounds.

 

[ncurd]

I didn't think they'd be any different.

Now we have Rayner using tax payers money, £68 k , on a photographer. Vanity knows no bounds.

Daily Mail headline so take a massive pinch of salt. Usually you find these people were hired in one way or the other in the past. Official photographers are nothing new.

Honestly think this entire row is storm in a teacup type stuff. The issue with the Tories wasn't the donations but the massive contracts awarded to thier mates. Especially with thing like COVID with no prior experience.

As long as parties are reliant in funding from outside the government system this will continue to be a story. People buying access is nothing new and won't go away.

 

[Saintjay]

I'm surprised how many people seem to have bought into the line "We are better than them". Then seem surprised to learn Labour MP's are taking freebies.

Very few are 'men of the people'. Most are pretty wealthy individuals who move in very different circles to average Joe.

There probably does need to be a line on donations for campaigning etc and taking Taylor Swift tickets.

 

[McTallshort]

Daily Mail headline so take a massive pinch of salt. Usually you find these people were hired in one way or the other in the past. Official photographers are nothing new.

Honestly think this entire row is storm in a teacup type stuff. The issue with the Tories wasn't the donations but the massive contracts awarded to thier mates. Especially with thing like COVID with no prior experience.

As long as parties are reliant in funding from outside the government system this will continue to be a story. People buying access is nothing new and won't go away.

The daily mail will always be the daily mail the trick is not to make it easy for them....which Labour have

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Labour had the easiest position, they just had to not give the appearance of corruption or dishonesty and to not immediately screw over the most vulnerable and the pubic would have given them a fair amount of leeway.

They utterly failed to meet even this low bar and I'm extremely disappointed in them. I'm also disappointed in the double standards in which they get crucified for something that's still less than the Tories got away with for over a decade but they just have known his this would look. They are ******* morons if they didn't...

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Yep,
The reason they got such a huge result was because everyone was so sick of the Tories - coming out and saying "Oh it doesn't matter because everyone does it" doesn't really dispel the "they're all as bad as each other" rhetoric

Angela Rayner defends Labour government over donations row saying ‘all MPs do it’

The deputy prime minister said she understands why people are angry but added that donations are ‘a feature of our politics’

www.independent.co.uk

If they really want to be the party of change then they should be changing the rules so that this isn't possible moving forwards - civil servants, military etc. aren't allowed to receive large gifts/donations why can MPs?

 

[ncurd]

If they really want to be the party of change then they should be changing the rules so that this isn't possible moving forwards - civil servants, military etc. aren't allowed to receive large gifts/donations why can MPs?

How do you fund politics if you remove donations? I'm not trying to be any asshole. It's simple the current short money is woefully insufficient. So the money has to come from central government.

Are the general public willing to pay for that?

How do smaller parties get funded correctly?

What's the threshold to getting real money?

If there is a threshold how does a smaller party get moving without weather backers?

Remember most of what is coming to light. Is gifts/money paid whilst in opposition where access to cash is vastly decreased. (Which is also weird). Except the Aresenal tickets but honestly that's a joke, Arsenal season ticket holder is moved to diffrent place for greater safety as they're the PM.