A Political Thread pt. 2

[ncurd]

Sunak or starmer?

Sunak, Starmer may take heat from the left but ultimately Corbyn was really toxic to the center ground and that's what he need to win. There's a reason Sunak mentions Corbyn at every PMQs

 

[General Melchett]

Lol

I'm not sure you are qualified to 'lol' this post given your often laughable defence of Boris and the Tories.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

She might have jumped before she was pushed

Lord Ashcroft poll reveals gulf between Scottish Government and voters on independence and gender reforms

But John Curtice tells Holyrood it is Labour, not the SNP which is 'most distant' from its voters

www.holyrood.com

Her work recently has damaged her approval ratings and also damaged support for indyref2: electric boogaloo

Lot of negativity associated with Sturgeon's name, maybe they want a new face for the final push for a referendum

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

She might have jumped before she was pushed

Lord Ashcroft poll reveals gulf between Scottish Government and voters on independence and gender reforms

But John Curtice tells Holyrood it is Labour, not the SNP which is 'most distant' from its voters

www.holyrood.com

Her work recently has damaged her approval ratings and also damaged support for indyref2: electric boogaloo

Lot of negativity associated with Sturgeon's name, maybe they want a new face for the final push for a referendum

And the questions re police investigation over campaign funds too.

 

[ncurd]

On one hand dude is 73 he should just retire and that really should be the end of it. Could of gone quietly and not said anything in regards to anti semtism and coached his successors in the party. One of my many complaints about Corbyn is he's far more interested in himself and the cult of him personally than the good of the party or compromise. Sounds odd for a guy who passionately defends others but he'll never take the hit on his own ego in his righteousness.

Does anyone know Labour party rules on having the whip withdrawn and standing as their candidate? Not that the whip mattered much to Corbyn as an MP.

Dunno how this plays out entirely as noted I think Labour having a massive fight with Corbyn is good formthem. Showing themselves to be fractured over one man's right to stand for the party is another.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

For me Corbyn was and always will be a glorified protestor. When his cult took over the Labour Party and thought they could form a government it was frankly laughable knowing how Michael Foot faired.

He'll no doubt continue to win as an independent in his Islington seat but continue ranting on the back benches.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

I liked Sturgeon as the leader of the SNP, I think she has done very well in keeping Scottish independence alive post 2014 and also managed to keep Scotland as removed as possible from all the post Brexit controversies and **** ups.

Flew a bit too close to the sun with the focus on gender recognition here it seems, and the "de facto independence referendum" is a bad line too. Gender recognition just isn't something that should be top of the agenda for an election, its a serious issue that needs to be given time and consideration but it's such a huge focus to place on a tiny proportion of the electorate. The de facto referendum is just a fallacy, if Sinn Fein aren't trying nonsense like that, take note.

Hopefully this doesn't hurt Scottish independence, they need only look to their two closest non-UK neighbours to, firstly, see the benefits of leaving the Union and, secondly, see that they can be prosperous within or outside of the EU.

 

[ncurd]

Gender recognition just isn't something that should be top of the agenda for an election, its a serious issue that needs to be given time and consideration but it's such a huge focus to place on a tiny proportion of the electorate.

Its a real shame my trans friends mainly just want to be left alone and not have to navigate through massive barriers to be legally who they are. Sadly the UK is probably a good 10 years from having that conversation without the transphobia.

 

[General Melchett]

I liked Sturgeon as the leader of the SNP, I think she has done very well in keeping Scottish independence alive post 2014 and also managed to keep Scotland as removed as possible from all the post Brexit controversies and **** ups.

Flew a bit too close to the sun with the focus on gender recognition here it seems, and the "de facto independence referendum" is a bad line too. Gender recognition just isn't something that should be top of the agenda for an election, its a serious issue that needs to be given time and consideration but it's such a huge focus to place on a tiny proportion of the electorate. The de facto referendum is just a fallacy, if Sinn Fein aren't trying nonsense like that, take note.

Hopefully this doesn't hurt Scottish independence, they need only look to their two closest non-UK neighbours to, firstly, see the benefits of leaving the Union and, secondly, see that they can be prosperous within or outside of the EU.

It was suggested yesterday that her push for gender recognition was part of an agreement with the Greens in exchange for their support on independence. I think the de facto referendum was down to pressure from within her own party. She's a formidable politician, FM and communicator and I think many might not appreciate how good she was until after she's gone. Her handling of COVID was far from perfect but unlike BoJo who delegated it to other ministers she was out on the podium every day giving a status update and apart from not wearing a mask on one occasion she followed the rules unlike that fat partying twat.

The SNP needs to come together and get behind the next leader otherwise in fighting will kill any hope of independence.

 

[Saintjay]

I don't envy the SNP. It strikes me like ultimately it will end up like the Brexit arguements. How do you placate the 40-50% of the population that might wish to remain part of the UK.

Would the SNP be prepared to rejoin the UK if voters feel it was a bad move. Equally where would the SNP go if they lost another referendum. My understanding is the latest polls show a stronger remain stance at the moment.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

I recall in the last Scottish Indy ref one key issue was how they would deal with the state pension entitlement. A minefield if ever there was one issue to remain.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Man Flies To Milan And Buys A Pizza For Less Than The Cost Of Ordering A Domino’s - Food & Drinks

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[Which Tyler]

 

[The Seeker]

 

[McTallshort]

Hopefully this doesn't hurt Scottish independence, they need only look to their two closest non-UK neighbours to, firstly, see the benefits of leaving the Union and, secondly, see that they can be prosperous within or outside of the EU.

That prosperity isn't going to come over night though is it and given everything else that's happened in the last 3 years and everything we saw with Brexit, I can imagine independence is a pretty hard sell even with a Tory government in Westminster.

On the whole she came across as a competent leader especially during the pandemic, how well she and the SNP did in governing Scotland I will leave for better qualified people than me to comment but she was a big fish in a little pond. Have to say she copped much more flack than her predecessor did. The whole Jimmy Cracky thing was quite spiteful. Best of luck to her

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Spy at UK's Berlin embassy jailed for selling secrets to Russia

Security guard David Smith pleaded guilty to passing on details of the embassy and its staff for cash.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Spy at UK's Berlin embassy jailed for selling secrets to Russia

Security guard David Smith pleaded guilty to passing on details of the embassy and its staff for cash.

www.bbc.co.uk

This is why I have extremely little tolerance for far right, pro Russian nationalism. Conspiracies, worship of Putin as the defender of white manly Europe, ardent brexit supporter, these things all tend to come together as a package (not all brexiters are far right Putin supporters but all far right Putin supporters are brexiters and like Alex Jones for example).

This is why I have so little patience for these enablers. In the same way moderate Muslims have been made to account for extremists within their ranks, those moving in similar circles to these far right extremists should be made to account for their extremists.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Why is the UK economy lagging behind the US, Germany and others?

Projections suggest the UK recovering slower than other countries - and the reasons go beyond Brexit.

www.bbc.co.uk

So Brexit doesn't help, but really lack of long term investment since the 1990s of which the Tories have been in Government for the majority of that time.

 

[Bruce_ma gooshvili]

That prosperity isn't going to come over night though is it and given everything else that's happened in the last 3 years and everything we saw with Brexit, I can imagine independence is a pretty hard sell even with a Tory government in Westminster.

On the whole she came across as a competent leader especially during the pandemic, how well she and the SNP did in governing Scotland I will leave for better qualified people than me to comment but she was a big fish in a little pond. Have to say she copped much more flack than her predecessor did. The whole Jimmy Cracky thing was quite spiteful. Best of luck to her

Yes. It is notable that with her male SNP predecessors the hostile media would always use their made up hate name of 'Nats' in their headlines (even though this uses more ink than SNP). But with her it was always her forename or surname combined with dogwhistling stereotypes about not knowing her place, 'not listening' (to men) or daring to have an opinion or policy. Any analysis that suggests there is a skeleton in the cupboard for Sturgeon that led to her quitting whilst 20points ahead in polls and statistically by far the most popular current leader of a Scottish political party will be proven to be well off the mark. The key words in her resignation is that politics has become more brutal and that she is only human. As per my previous post.

I don't see how a change in leader changes the independence debate one iota. It was dead as soon as Scotland voted to stay in a U.K. with no written constitution and a devolution settlement where policy can be vetoed by Westminster.

Her replacement will either be Humza Youssaf (youthful and a good communicator, but a bit untested and I can only imagine the media vitriol he would mysteriously get) or white man Angus Robertson who is probably the best tactical mind in the party but not oozing charisma, but we will return to the more standard 'Nats' headlines rather than more personalised condescending hate). I'd take either over any other UK political leader at present in terms of trustability and basic decency. I'd prefer Robertson as Humza may be a bit of a careerist. Robertson could end up being a significant upgrade in terms of competence and messaging, but won't be as personable (which in the modern political era may be fatal).

 

[General Melchett]

Yes. It is notable that with her male SNP predecessors the hostile media would always use their made up hate name of 'Nats' in their headlines (even though this uses more ink than SNP). But with her it was always her forename or surname combined with dogwhistling stereotypes about not knowing her place, 'not listening' (to men) or daring to have an opinion or policy. Any analysis that suggests there is a skeleton in the cupboard for Sturgeon that led to her quitting whilst 20points ahead in polls and statistically by far the most popular current leader of a Scottish political party will be proven to be well off the mark. The key words in her resignation is that politics has become more brutal and that she is only human. As per my previous post.

I don't see how a change in leader changes the independence debate one iota. It was dead as soon as Scotland voted to stay in a U.K. with no written constitution and a devolution settlement where policy can be vetoed by Westminster.

Her replacement will either be Humza Youssaf (youthful and a good communicator, but a bit untested and I can only imagine the media vitriol he would mysteriously get) or white man Angus Robertson who is probably the best tactical mind in the party but not oozing charisma, but we will return to the more standard 'Nats' headlines rather than more personalised condescending hate). I'd take either over any other UK political leader at present in terms of trustability and basic decency. I'd prefer Robertson as Humza may be a bit of a careerist. Robertson could end up being a significant upgrade in terms of competence and messaging, but won't be as personable (which in the modern political era may be fatal).

I thought Robertson was a better SNP leader (of the HoC) than Blackford. He often gave David Cameron a rough time which was obviously a pleasure to see. Interestingly he's half German (his mother's side). I think he's probably the safest pair of hands and best equipped to take over. No doubt the right wing trolls in the media are currently searching for dirt to dish if he takes over.