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A Political Thread pt. 2

Ragey Erasmus said:
BBC News - Hungary election: PM Viktor Orban criticises Ukraine's Zelensky as he wins vote
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Hungary election: PM Viktor Orban criticises Ukraine's Zelensky as he wins vote

Near-complete results show Viktor Orban has won a fourth term in Hungary's election by a landslide.
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I'm amazed how Hungarians still vote for someone who is setting himself up to be a dictator... I think Hungary will leave the EU at some point in the future with the anti EU lot roundly applauding the destruction of democracy (again) in their pursuit of the destruction of the EU.
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Isn't there a weird disconnect that Hungarians are actually pretty pro-EU but elect this lot? At least that's what I read last time this came up.
 
The_Blindside said:
www.theguardian.com

No 10 lockdown fines ‘not most important issue’, says Rees-Mogg

Boris Johnson ally claims PM did not mislead public and defends earlier remarks calling revelations ‘fluff’
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Whataboutism creeping into Westminster.
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Really hate where they think they can sit there and just decide to tell the public that anything that is inconvenient for them isn't actually important. The height of being arrogant and condescending. Yes the issue in Ukraine is more important but the fact the lockdown breaches aren't the most important doesn't mean they aren't still important. Had Russia not decided to invade, the Johnson government would be in big trouble now. Watching them so brazenly trying to sweep it under the rug I would hope will just make people more angry at them rather than less.
 
Ragey Erasmus said:
BBC News - Hungary election: PM Viktor Orban criticises Ukraine's Zelensky as he wins vote
www.bbc.co.uk

Hungary election: PM Viktor Orban criticises Ukraine's Zelensky as he wins vote

Near-complete results show Viktor Orban has won a fourth term in Hungary's election by a landslide.
www.bbc.co.uk

I'm amazed how Hungarians still vote for someone who is setting himself up to be a dictator... I think Hungary will leave the EU at some point in the future with the anti EU lot roundly applauding the destruction of democracy (again) in their pursuit of the destruction of the EU.
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From what I've read he's changed the elections rules to benefit himself massively. Not sure if it's truly representative of the Hungarian people.
 
Ragey Erasmus said:
Really hate where they think they can sit there and just decide to tell the public that anything that is inconvenient for them isn't actually important. The height of being arrogant and condescending. Yes the issue in Ukraine is more important but the fact the lockdown breaches aren't the most important doesn't mean they aren't still important. Had Russia not decided to invade, the Johnson government would be in big trouble now. Watching them so brazenly trying to sweep it under the rug I would hope will just make people more angry at them rather than less.
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It's like they are taking the public for mugs that they can't hold more than more story in their heads and differentiate between the two. One has nowt to do with the other. Two wrongs don't make a right etc.

Yeh just forget about the PM lying to Parliament because a more atrocious war is happening. Absolute joke. If anything if he doesn't get held to account it will just embolden him and normalise his behaviour. He already thinks it's a big joke.

Getting JRM to do his dirty work. Makes me sick.

Should have heard the one lone voice in the audience on QT last week in Bath also calling to forget about this and the rest of the audience shouting him down - saying "no Way."

Hope Tories get a spanking in the May elections.
 
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There weren't any parties.

There were parties, but I didn't attend.

There were parties and I did attend, but I didn't realise they were parties.

At which point was he given the wrong information and if all of them how did it happen three times?

Reality is that it's not the people with common sense who are the issue, but those who will continually vote conservative regardless of what they do or say or their actual record.
 
Reiser99 said:
There weren't any parties.

There were parties, but I didn't attend.

There were parties and I did attend, but I didn't realise they were parties.

At which point was he given the wrong information and if all of them how did it happen three times?

Reality is that it's not the people with common sense who are the issue, but those who will continually vote conservative regardless of what they do or say or their actual record.
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This is why I want to see another right wing party (a moderate one, not some lunatic fringe). The right wing vote Tory regardless of how **** they are because there is no alternative that holds right wing views. The left wing parties have got more votes in every election since Blair came to power than the Tories have but have only actually held power for about half that time because the right wing vote is all in one party. A second right wing party would hopefully offer an alternative so right wing voters do not feel stuck between voting for crap Tories or letting a left wing government in, usually leading to the former. Having 3/4 left and 2 right wing parties, hopefully with some closer to the centre and some a bit further out would also lead to greater level of coalitions and maybe we can finally get rid of this archaic system of needing to get a majority and then railroading through anything you want as there are no proper checks or balances in this country.
 
Ragey Erasmus said:
This is why I want to see another right wing party (a moderate one, not some lunatic fringe). The right wing vote Tory regardless of how **** they are because there is no alternative that holds right wing views. The left wing parties have got more votes in every election since Blair came to power than the Tories have but have only actually held power for about half that time because the right wing vote is all in one party. A second right wing party would hopefully offer an alternative so right wing voters do not feel stuck between voting for crap Tories or letting a left wing government in, usually leading to the former. Having 3/4 left and 2 right wing parties, hopefully with some closer to the centre and some a bit further out would also lead to greater level of coalitions and maybe we can finally get rid of this archaic system of needing to get a majority and then railroading through anything you want as there are no proper checks or balances in this country.
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TBF we did have UKIP part of Dave's amazing plan to have a referendum was dealing with the fact they were loosing votes significantly to UKIP who had just bust on the scene with a massive anti-government protest vote. and they made huge dents between 2010 and 2015, Dave didn't want the 2013 local election spread reflecting in a general because he'd be utterly boned.

(I also have long said it was also a bone to be tossed at the LD's in coalition talks meaning he didn't have to take the risk)

The issue is UKIP was single issue, the Tories have been fully enveloped by that and the culture war. Creating a new party fails dismally as witnessed by the TiGs/Chuk as a middle ground party with nuanced opinions based on one nation conservatism struggle to real have an identity beyond grey. Its not like theres much rooms for it either the LD's have massively struggled since 2015 to have an identity beyond pro-EU and have been cast out to blandness. And Starmer is positioning himself in that area as well (I don't think his policies are (because he hasn't really set out his stall there) but what he projects is definitely to convince those people to vote for him).

But just like the never-Tories who aren't that left wing (that make up a good deal our our populace on this forum) you also get the Never-Labours who need to be somehow convinced to got anywhere. Its where the centrists who don't like radical change go but won't cross the isle thats the problem.
 
Tried to read it but trying to justify the term "denazification" just was so off putting. Just writing to a totally different audience.
 
The_Blindside said:
Tried to read it but trying to justify the term "denazification" just was so off putting. Just writing to a totally different audience.
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Basically "Ukraine is full of nazis, or nazi sympathisers / enablers therefore de-nazification = de-ukrainification, therefore it is right and just to ethnically cleanse the area, and it is unacceptable that there ever be a state of Ukraine"
 
Which Tyler said:
Basically "Ukraine is full of nazis, or nazi sympathisers / enablers therefore de-nazification = de-ukrainification, therefore it is right and just to ethnically cleanse the area, and it is unacceptable that there ever be a state of Ukraine"
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Its the jump from de-anything to thus ethnic cleansing is good that just well.....I don't know how anyone's brain gets there,
 
ncurd said:
Its the jump from de-anything to thus ethnic cleansing is good that just well.....I don't know how anyone's brain gets there,
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Well easiest way to get rid of Nazi's is to kill them and if Nazi=Ukrainian then there you go.

The logic is there, the issue is both the morality of the logic and the factual information used to justify the logic, both of which are completely absent and no sane person would rationally consider this.
 
Reiser99 said:
Well easiest way to get rid of Nazi's is to kill them and if Nazi=Ukrainian then there you go.

The logic is there, the issue is both the morality of the logic and the factual information used to justify the logic, both of which are completely absent and no sane person would rationally consider this.
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Yeah but the 'ethnic' cleansing part that the Nazism of the Ukrainian's is an inherent ethnic trait that must be expelled from the human genome. Thats still a leap of logic.
 
Worth noting, it's not massively far away from "the only good nazi is a dead nazi, and if we fail at surgical military strikes*, WMDs are fully justified"





* yes, I know; but the whole thing is ridiculous to anyone with access to actual information
 
ncurd said:
Yeah but the 'ethnic' cleansing part that the Nazism of the Ukrainian's is an inherent ethnic trait that must be expelled from the human genome. Thats still a leap of logic.
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True, equating Nazism to an ethnic trait can't be rationalised.
 
Going alongside this "kill them all" justification by state broadcaster - Russia appears to be withdrawing rapidly (well, by their standards currently) our of significant portions of Ukraine.


I'm now worried that whatever Putin sends across to where the Russian Army used to be, will be even less discriminate about who it kills.
 
www.theguardian.com

Rishi Sunak asks Royal Mint to create NFT

Treasury wants to show Britain is at cutting edge for new technologies with cryptoasset launch by summer
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