A great big Munster thread

[Groundhog]

Western Province apparently willing to leave Taute go for the time being anyway as their finances have been overseen by a little girl they found running a lemonade stand. Will be very happy to see him stay. Rarely seen Munster fans rally around a player this much. You'd swear they'd all watched him make his confirmation in their local church in Cork, watching him grow from boy to man. Really setting the example for how men with one ball should behave. Take that Hitler.
Also Paulie has got his first official coaching position with Munster Assistant coaching the Munster Under somethings. So very entry level stuff. I would suspect he's still not ready to sink himself back into rugby.
Rassie also poo pood the Smith rumor. Quelle Surprise! He's apparently looking at only IQs for now which probably means Hart, Farrell etc. If we had money for a big signing anyway I'd want to sign a big angry top class second row, or a natural 7.

 

[munstermuffin]

Western Province apparently willing to leave Taute go for the time being anyway as their finances have been overseen by a little girl they found running a lemonade stand. Will be very happy to see him stay. Rarely seen Munster fans rally around a player this much. You'd swear they'd all watched him make his confirmation in their local church in Cork, watching him grow from boy to man. Really setting the example for how men with one ball should behave. Take that Hitler.
Also Paulie has got his first official coaching position with Munster Assistant coaching the Munster Under somethings. So very entry level stuff. I would suspect he's still not ready to sink himself back into rugby.
Rassie also poo pood the Smith rumor. Quelle Surprise! He's apparently looking at only IQs for now which probably means Hart, Farrell etc. If we had money for a big signing anyway I'd want to sign a big angry top class second row, or a natural 7.

Said it already that Smith rumour was nonsense.
We do have money and a big NIQ elsewhere is targeted but not a 15 at moment.
Paulie role kind of being overstated as it's part of what he has been doing all season.
It for Munster Development vs Ireland 20s in 1 off game.
Taute is going to be here with Saili issue just being the sticky bit as I said. Western Province don't want him as they said he wouldn't be starter

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Munster reportedly look for a sponsor for Thomond park... I, for one, welcome the new insects changing the name and, as a Leinster fan, can round up unbiased ideas for who to approach!

Viagra Park perhaps, they need help with penetration thats for sure!
Maybe a company that makes trophies or crystal stemware because apart from CJ Stander's garage there has been a shortage of these things over the past five years!

Kill two birds with one stone Mr. Fitzgerald, solve Limerick's rugby problems while also bringing in a nice wedge!

 

[Groundhog]

Yeah, we could do with some extra cash. Maybe they could get some naming rights for the RDS as well, but then again I think most Leinster fans would never want to offer her majesty insult by removing the royal, and also you don't own it. Honestly when you think about it the Leinster fans who can't read league tables and are still living in 2009 should be applauded when you consider they watch rugby in a watch rugby in a 200 year old pony paddock when the horses don't need it.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

17 wins on the trot, highest league attendance, Eddie Rockets stand, a starting team whose only slip ups this season were away to top 4 French sides to cheer (a sequence which goes loss, draw, win against Les Juanards), Noel Reid... #D4tress.

I do think it'd be a shame for it to be named [Insurance company] Park, while it hasn't reached the heights of a packed house adoring Noel Reid it does have a bit of history about it that's very much in the name now. There'll be a lot of people who'll say that they won't call it by its new name and then three sentences later say how they're excited for their trip to the Aviva in four weeks...

 

[Groundhog]

17 wins on the trot, highest league attendance, Eddie Rockets stand, a starting team whose only slip ups this season were away to top 4 French sides to cheer (a sequence which goes loss, draw, win against Les Juanards), Noel Reid... #D4tress.

I do think it'd be a shame for it to be named [Insurance company] Park, while it hasn't reached the heights of a packed house adoring Noel Reid it does have a bit of history about it that's very much in the name now. There'll be a lot of people who'll say that they won't call it by its new name and then three sentences later say how they're excited for their trip to the Aviva in four weeks...

Yeah the whole "I'm not calling it that" rarely works except for at Musgrave because I forget it has a new name. I'm hoping it will be called the (Durex Lube) Thomond Park or whatever. Would be a real shame if hey ditched the name altogether but we do need the money.

 

[munstermuffin]

17 wins on the trot, highest league attendance, Eddie Rockets stand, a starting team whose only slip ups this season were away to top 4 French sides to cheer (a sequence which goes loss, draw, win against Les Juanards), Noel Reid... #D4tress.

I do think it'd be a shame for it to be named [Insurance company] Park, while it hasn't reached the heights of a packed house adoring Noel Reid it does have a bit of history about it that's very much in the name now. There'll be a lot of people who'll say that they won't call it by its new name and then three sentences later say how they're excited for their trip to the Aviva in four weeks...

Actually Munsters attendance average is better this year

Anyway it unlikely it'll change and even if it is everyone will still call Thomond Park

 

[munstermuffin]

Yeah, we could do with some extra cash. Maybe they could get some naming rights for the RDS as well, but then again I think most Leinster fans would never want to offer her majesty insult by removing the royal, and also you don't own it. Honestly when you think about it the Leinster fans who can't read league tables and are still living in 2009 should be applauded when you consider they watch rugby in a watch rugby in a 200 year old pony paddock when the horses don't need it.

2 issues.
1. Munster aren't approaching anyone. They've been approached.

2. Leinster can't rename nothing they don't own. Can't believe they never tried build as they're stadium income on match days is alot less than Munster due to fact they've to pay out a share of most things

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Actually Munsters attendance average is better this year 

Anyway it unlikely it'll change and even if it is everyone will still call Thomond Park

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016–17_Pro12#Attendances

No one likes a liar Muff!

We're comfortably ahead even when you factor in European games. You have two interpros which might sell out but with us probably getting near full capacity in the Aviva we'll push more tickets this year again.

 

[Groundhog]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016–17_Pro12#Attendances

No one likes a liar Muff!

We're comfortably ahead even when you factor in European games. You have two interpros which might sell out but with us probably getting near full capacity in the Aviva we'll push more tickets this year again.

You realise we have the highest attendance in Europe this year for EC don't you?

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

You realise we have the highest attendance in Europe this year for EC don't you?

Bringing 7,000 more fans in over three games, we've brought 24,000 more fans in over 6 league games.

 

[Groundhog]

Bringing 7,000 more fans in over three games, we've brought 24,000 more fans in over 6 league games.

Then why did you reference European games bringing you further ahead, and say we only sell out interpros when we've sold out all our Europe games, Leinster and the Maori game hasn't even been factored in.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Then why did you reference European games bringing you further ahead, and say we only sell out interpros when we've sold out all our Europe games, Leinster and the Maori game hasn't even been factored in.

Read it again.

 

[munstermuffin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016–17_Pro12#Attendances

No one likes a liar Muff!

We're comfortably ahead even when you factor in European games. You have two interpros which might sell out but with us probably getting near full capacity in the Aviva we'll push more tickets this year again.

Sorry was doing it in quota like Pro12. Guess we get punished for not renting out Avivs and filling with Munster men.

As I said saying Leinster have bigger attendance as they need Aviva. It's not really a like for like comparison.
And Munster have better European butbseeing as Leinster have no more game in Aviva won't that hurt them? In overall figures.
Also you've to factor in Munster sold out 2 games in Cork. So that was much smaller attendance but equally a point to its impossible to compare like for like as nothing really is comparable. Leinster have 7 home games vs Munster playing 6 home games.

Also Leinster get crippled because of renting everything.

But your right noone likes a liar but unfortunately I deal in facts. And am happy to be proven wrong on anything that I've said or as you'd say is lies.

 

[munstermuffin]

I stand corrected on % fact. Pro 12 is wrong. Per my maths.
Aviva is 51700
RDS is 18500
TP is 25600
IIP is 8000

Leinster
Rd 1 vs Treviso 60.63%
Rd 4 vs Ospreys 72.2%
Rd 6 vs Munster 78.39% (Aviva)
Rd 7 vs Connacht 100%
Rd 10 vs Dragons 59.35%
Rd 12 vs Ulster 100%
Rd 13 vs Zebre 58.49%
Overall Avg for 7 games 75.58%

Munster
In IIP
Rd 2 vs Cardiff 92.56%
Rd 8 vs Ospreys 100%
In Thomond
Rd 4 vs Edinburgh 50.10%
Rd 5 vs Zebre 45.85%
Rd 9 vs Treviso 47.69%
Rd 11 vs Leinster 100%

Avg 72.69%

Quick observations are Munster are doing well considering big hot was holding italians in Thomond.
Stats don't show flaws. In Cork we could sell alot more.
Also we have few big teams in Thomond to come which will alter this.
Also few other note. Munster sold out vs Maori.

In Europe Munster sold out every game.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Sorry was doing it in quota like Pro12. Guess we get punished for not renting out Avivs and filling with Munster men.

Because no Leinster fans travel to Limerick...

As I said saying Leinster have bigger attendance as they need Aviva. It's not really a like for like comparison.

40,000 in the Aviva for Leinster v Munster take away 22,000 if we have it in the RDS and we still have 4,000 more home tickets sold. It would be stupid not to move as well considering they bring in twice as many fans as the RDS capacity, even when the RDS gets expanded to 21-25,000 (Depending where you read) they'll still move it, as you say they're renting anyway so it makes sense!

And Munster have better European butbseeing as Leinster have no more game in Aviva won't that hurt them? In overall figures.

Wasps are coming to the Aviva, I'd guess we'll bring in more than 40,000

Also you've to factor in Munster sold out 2 games in Cork. So that was much smaller attendance but equally a point to its impossible to compare like for like as nothing really is comparable.

They do choose to play games there, also going by wikipedia they didn't sell out the Blues game, 7,500 in an 8,000 capacity stadium, equally Leinster sold out the Ulster and Connacht games, take those to the Aviva and they push more tickets.

Leinster have 7 home games vs Munster playing 6 home games.

I don't see how that has any affect... The average is 5,000 more in the Pro 12 and ~2,000 more in the

Also Leinster get crippled because of renting everything.

Irrelevant to this argument.

Actually Munsters attendance average is better this year 

Anyway it unlikely it'll change and even if it is everyone will still call Thomond Park

But your right noone likes a liar but unfortunately I deal in facts. And am happy to be proven wrong on anything that I've said or as you'd say is lies.

Were you dealing in facts here?

Actually Munsters attendance average is better this year 

No... The 'liar' comment was tongue in cheek, you were misinformed though.


Munster will sell more tickets this year, avoiding Glasgow or Toulouse winning a QF, but I don't see them catching Leinster's average regular season attendance (Read anything that's not a bonus ie. Home QF or Semi) in 5 games with one in Cork against the Dragons on a 6n weekend.

The good news is that both sides are way up on last year's attendances so far and if either side grabs a home semi in the Pro 12 they'll be approaching record attendances.

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I stand corrected on % fact. Pro 12 is wrong. Per my maths.
Aviva is 51700
RDS is 18500
TP is 25600
IIP is 8000

Leinster
Rd 1 vs Treviso 60.63%
Rd 4 vs Ospreys 72.2%
Rd 6 vs Munster 78.39% (Aviva)
Rd 7 vs Connacht 100%
Rd 10 vs Dragons 59.35%
Rd 12 vs Ulster 100%
Rd 13 vs Zebre 58.49%
Overall Avg for 7 games 75.58%
Overall Fans

Munster
In IIP
Rd 2 vs Cardiff 92.56%
Rd 8 vs Ospreys 100%
In Thomond
Rd 4 vs Edinburgh 50.10%
Rd 5 vs Zebre 45.85%
Rd 9 vs Treviso 47.69%
Rd 11 vs Leinster 100%

Avg 72.69%

Posted simultaneously so didn't see this.

 

[munstermuffin]

Because no Leinster fans travel to Limerick...

40,000 in the Aviva for Leinster v Munster take away 22,000 if we have it in the RDS and we still have 4,000 more home tickets sold. It would be stupid not to move as well considering they bring in twice as many fans as the RDS capacity, even when the RDS gets expanded to 21-25,000 (Depending where you read) they'll still move it, as you say they're renting anyway so it makes sense!

Wasps are coming to the Aviva, I'd guess we'll bring in more than 40,000

They do choose to play games there, also going by wikipedia they didn't sell out the Blues game, 7,500 in an 8,000 capacity stadium, equally Leinster sold out the Ulster and Connacht games, take those to the Aviva and they push more tickets.

I don't see how that has any affect... The average is 5,000 more in the Pro 12 and ~2,000 more in the

Irrelevant to this argument.





Were you dealing in facts here?

No... The 'liar' comment was tongue in cheek, you were misinformed though.


Munster will sell more tickets this year, avoiding Glasgow or Toulouse winning a QF, but I don't see them catching Leinster's average regular season attendance (Read anything that's not a bonus ie. Home QF or Semi) in 5 games with one in Cork against the Dragons on a 6n weekend.

The good news is that both sides are way up on last year's attendances so far and if either side grabs a home semi in the Pro 12 they'll be approaching record attendances.

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Posted simultaneously so didn't see this.

Just on yop bit it's nothing to do with Leinster fans travelling
However in Thomond Park Leinster tickets were said to be abouy 2k while in Aviva Munster had approx 8k. Again not like for like due to Xmas etc. But point was a larger stadium obviously has to do with numbers.

On averages though Munster are clear in Europe as we have a 100%.

On attendance numbers it's not comparable due to us playing games in Cork. You say we choose to play there. Which is true as we have a fanbase to cater to there and we don't have as many overheads.
My argument on renting is irrelevant on this but a 100% capacity in RDS brings in same profit as a 67% capacity in Thomond Park.

 

[munstermuffin]

FWIW in Europe
Munster
All 3 games 100%

Leinster -
Vs Castres 75.08%
Vs Saints 74.63%
Vs Montepellier 95.05%
Avg 81.59%
Total fans 70059 out of possible 88700

Munster had 78600 out of 78600

Again not fully comparable

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Just on yop bit it's nothing to do with Leinster fans travelling
However in Thomond Park Leinster tickets were said to be abouy 2k while in Aviva Munster had approx 8k. Again not like for like due to Xmas etc. But point was a larger stadium obviously has to do with numbers.

Obviously, over the entire season both have around 310,000 available seats for the 14 guaranteed home games.

On averages though Munster are clear in Europe as we have a 100%.

Munster will always top the charts in Europe due to having the perfect size for a stadium especially when you get a group with two big draws and the sellout that came with Axel's passing, you'll always fill it and not too many are going to be wanting for a ticket, the RDS is too small and while 38,500 watched us hammer Saints that's not a great barometer considering its the marquee event. A 25,000-30,000 seater stadium would be ideal, obviously that won't happen. I've also realised you've been working in percentages while I'm working with numbers so there may have been some crossed wires there!

On attendance numbers it's not comparable due to us playing games in Cork. You say we choose to play there. Which is true as we have a fanbase to cater to there and we don't have as many overheads.
My argument on renting is irrelevant on this but a 100% capacity in RDS brings in same profit as a 67% capacity in Thomond Park.

I won't deny that Thomund is more profitable and they'll have the biggest income from tickets of any of the provinces if they get a home semi in either competition. Any idea who brings in more through merchandise out of interest?

 

[munstermuffin]

Obviously, over the entire season both have around 310,000 available seats for the 14 guaranteed home games.


Munster will always top the charts in Europe due to having the perfect size for a stadium especially when you get a group with two big draws and the sellout that came with Axel's passing, you'll always fill it and not too many are going to be wanting for a ticket, the RDS is too small and while 38,500 watched us hammer Saints that's not a great barometer considering its the marquee event. A 25,000-30,000 seater stadium would be ideal, obviously that won't happen. I've also realised you've been working in percentages while I'm working with numbers so there may have been some crossed wires there!


I won't deny that Thomund is more profitable and they'll have the biggest income from tickets of any of the provinces if they get a home semi in either competition. Any idea who brings in more through merchandise out of interest?

On top bit for 14 games
Leinster have 288400 seats
Munster have 272000 seats

On 2nd bit my exact point is its hard to have comparison. Like Munster will always have decent European attendance butbeven without Axels passing I think last 2 European games would've sold out.

On merchandise Munster were just ahead last review but again it's not simple.
Lifestyle have deal with each. However you factor in Adidas and Canterbury. They have deals with Lifestyle and Respective branches.
Interstingly though in 2008/09 and 2013/2014 only All Blacks outsild Munster in Merchandise worldwide which us impressive but surprisingly no club makes huge profit off of that