[2025 Six Nations] Italy vs Wales - 08/02/25

Welsh Exile · 2025-02-05T14:24:52+0000

Vieux Talonneur said:
It's quite possible that both Eng and Wal go into the final game with no more than one win.

Has there previously been a 6N game after which both coaches have been fired?

That's crazy isn't it. I can't recall a 6N where you've had that scenario on the final day but I can barely remember last week.

England have a surprise result against Scotland or France in them I reckon.

Leonormous Boozer · 2025-02-05T14:32:33+0000

I just hope everyone involved has fun.

Apart from Warren.

OllyM97 · 2025-02-05T16:15:39+0000

Welsh Exile said:
That's crazy isn't it. I can't recall a 6N where you've had that scenario on the final day but I can barely remember last week.

England have a surprise result against Scotland or France in them I reckon.

The fact that you're saying that an England win at home to France or Scotland would be a surprise is an absolutely damning indictment of where English rugby is at - you're not wrong btw. To be honest I'd be strongly tempted to put money on Italy to beat us if we go into that game 0 from 3. Their odds in that scenario would be higher than they should be because they've never beaten us.

Welsh Exile · 2025-02-05T16:32:50+0000

OllyM97 said:
The fact that you're saying that an England win at home to France or Scotland would be a surprise is an absolutely damning indictment of where English rugby is at - you're not wrong btw. To be honest I'd be strongly tempted to put money on Italy to beat us if we go into that game 0 from 3. Their odds in that scenario would be higher than they should be because they've never beaten us.

I thought I might be being a bit harsh in including Scotland to be fair. Don't get me wrong, I think Scotland are a better side and their record against you in recent years is good, but I would t be surprised if you won that. But yeah, underdogs for both is a bit of a damning indictment for England. Sad state of affairs to us too.

OllyM97 · 2025-02-05T23:20:26+0000

Welsh Exile said:
I thought I might be being a bit harsh in including Scotland to be fair. Don't get me wrong, I think Scotland are a better side and their record against you in recent years is good, but I would t be surprised if you won that. But yeah, underdogs for both is a bit of a damning indictment for England. Sad state of affairs to us too.

Neither England and Wales being in the top half of a 6 Nations table would be absolutely nuts. It's probably happened on the odd occasion since 2000 but I can't think of the years off the top of my head. To be fair, we're not going to win the 6N but we've got to beat the Jocks - that's the one game where us being fired up should be an absolute given because of their record against us in recent years. At this point I'd take losing every other game as long as we won the Calcutta. Can't bear the thought of them absolute b******s getting one over us again.

dullonien · 2025-02-05T23:49:31+0000

Sounds like the only changes to the side will be enforced, with Faletau coming in for Waiwright (although Wainwright may be on the bench if he recovers with Reffell dropping out of the 23) + Eddie James for Watkin.

WoL do get their leaked teams accurate more often than not, so high probability that's what it'll be.

To stick with Thomas at 10 and Tompkins at 13 would be reidiculous after the weekend. Don't care much for Sanjay at 15 either, not had a good game for Wales in a long time now! Botham didn't register either at 6.

Gats deserves another loss if that turns out to be the case!

Welsh Exile · 2025-02-06T10:09:04+0000

Welsh Exile · 2025-02-06T10:10:23+0000

Good to see Eddie James start. Hoping we can get a penalty or 2. You never know, we might even score a try. You got to believe.

OllyM97 · 2025-02-06T10:11:00+0000

How many are you lot losing by?

. I reckon Gatland wants a holiday at the end of the 6N. Genuinely think Italy might win by 20+ points which would be absolutely epic.

Welsh Exile · 2025-02-06T10:12:29+0000

dullonien said:
Sounds like the only changes to the side will be enforced, with Faletau coming in for Waiwright (although Wainwright may be on the bench if he recovers with Reffell dropping out of the 23) + Eddie James for Watkin.

WoL do get their leaked teams accurate more often than not, so high probability that's what it'll be.

To stick with Thomas at 10 and Tompkins at 13 would be reidiculous after the weekend. Don't care much for Sanjay at 15 either, not had a good game for Wales in a long time now! Botham didn't register either at 6.

Gats deserves another loss if that turns out to be the case!

Do you think there's any chance he gets sacked before the end of the 6N? I don't see it myself, even with bad losses. I imagine the WRU will want to ride out the tournament and sack him after but I'd bring AWJ and Biggar in to work with Bomb and take over the rest of the games if we get done by Italy.

Welsh Exile · 2025-02-06T10:13:17+0000

OllyM97 said:
How many are you lot losing by? . I reckon Gatland wants a holiday at the end of the 6N. Genuinely think Italy might win by 20+ points which would be absolutely epic.

They're massive odds on favourites and rightly so. Last I saw yesterday we're 5/2.

Leonormous Boozer · 2025-02-06T10:15:30+0000

I think this is close to 50/50.

Not necessarily through progress from Wales though. Italy look worse than a year ago.

TRF_Olyy · 2025-02-06T10:29:20+0000

Sticking with Ben Thomas at 10 is so funny, Gatland has to be just seeing how much he can get away with

Leonormous Boozer · 2025-02-06T10:41:29+0000

TRF_Olyy said:
Sticking with Ben Thomas at 10 is so funny, Gatland has to be just seeing how much he can get away with

I wonder what round he'll start goading the WRU into sacking him.

Bluemoon · 2025-02-06T10:48:36+0000

The Welsh bench gives a slightly different meaning to 'bomb squad'.

Another super imbalanced back line and a risk with Faletau, hoping he can last the half!

Welsh Exile · 2025-02-06T11:04:17+0000

TRF_Olyy said:
Sticking with Ben Thomas at 10 is so funny, Gatland has to be just seeing how much he can get away with

My guess is after the Italy game. Wonder if he'll "offer" his resignation again. Should've bit his hand off last time and maybe we wouldn't be in quite the mess we're in now.

Dean Cooperfield-West · 2025-02-06T11:22:11+0000

Gatland is NOT the problem. The Welsh players are inexperienced and just a bit ****.

The team is mostly entirely club players who have recently been thrown into international rugby with limited experience alongside them in training and during play.

Lé Ddanno · 2025-02-06T11:41:45+0000

Dean Cooperfield-West said:
Gatland is NOT the problem. The Welsh players are inexperienced and just a bit ****.

The team is mostly entirely club players who have recently been thrown into international rugby with limited experience alongside them in training and during play.

Who picks the side again?

JonoCymru · 2025-02-06T12:05:01+0000

Lé Ddanno said:
Who picks the side again?

Howley as he's got a mate to stick a fiver on the predicted lineup.

Welsh Exile · 2025-02-06T12:05:23+0000

Dean Cooperfield-West said:
Gatland is NOT the problem. The Welsh players are inexperienced and just a bit ****.

The team is mostly entirely club players who have recently been thrown into international rugby with limited experience alongside them in training and during play.

He's not the main problem but he is a problem. At this point it's not just about the players who are clearly not at the level we've been used to in years gone by, it's the fact we look clueless and devoid of any noticeable game plan.

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