[2025 Six Nations] Ireland vs France - 8/3/25

[Jimbo]

steady on Daly, people might have to stop hating on you if you keep this up.

 

[Horacito]

On what basis?

for one, we did beat NZ, SA and put 60 on the wallabies

I don't think we're much better, but I do think we're better atm

but maybe next year we won't, you never know with us lol

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

for one, we did beat NZ, SA and put 60 on the wallabies

I don't think we're much better, but I do think we're better atm

but maybe next year we won't, you never know with us lol

Fair enough but I disagree. We beat SA too, and Argentina, won the 6n last year. I think Argentina have a bit to prove before making that claim.

 

[Horacito]

Fair enough but I disagree. We beat SA too, and Argentina, won the 6n last year. I think Argentina have a bit to prove before making that claim.

Yeah I agree that we're not talking huge margins, luckily international rugby is extremely competitive these days

hopefully this year will be the year to finally make it to the top

I also think Crowley should be selected as a starter for Ireland for a while. For one, he's put in the work and hasn't had a single bad game. Lad's earned it

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

I also think Crowley should be selected as a starter for Ireland for a while. For one, he's put in the work and hasn't had a single bad game. Lad's earned it

It's slim margins. I think Crowley had a string of sub par games from England in last year's 6n to Argentina. The first half of his Argentina game the only real positive in that stretch. He was very ball shy otherwise.

He needs another go though and looks a more confident player in his cameos lately. , and would have been more suited to the game yesterday after Lowe pulled out.

Two 10s learning their trade on the job is very unusual after having had Sexton being one of the world's best from about 2014 to 2023.

 

[Horacito]

It's slim margins. I think Crowley had a string of sub par games from England in last year's 6n to Argentina. The first half of his Argentina game the only real positive in that stretch. He was very ball shy otherwise.

He needs another go though and looks a more confident player in his cameos lately. , and would have been more suited to the game yesterday after Lowe pulled out.

Two 10s learning their trade on the job is very unusual after having had Sexton being one of the world's best from about 2014 to 2023.

it was rough to relegate him just for sub-par performances, expecting him to actually replace Sexton from the get go

he's quite good and deserves another chance

 

[Toulousain ex French fan]

Confirmed as an ACL. He's not walking that off for next week. See him play again next year.

I wonder if he'll be the same player, I doubt it. It's the same knee he did in 2018.
The fact that the incident was not reviewed by the referee makes the whole narrative about 'protecting players' the charade it is.

 

[Amiga500]

I wonder if he'll be the same player, I doubt it. It's the same knee he did in 2018.

Well, his speed of thought gives him the first yard over most anyway. His skills give him the ability to leverage that yard for others. The explosive speed is just the icing on the cake allowing him to actually do more himself.

The fact that the incident was not reviewed by the referee makes the whole narrative about 'protecting players' the charade it is.

I think Gardner said to Aldritt that TMO reviewed in background...? (And presumably seen nothing obvious)


But I get your general point. The breakdown is a mess with almost everyone off their feet. What percentage of players in all breakdowns over the weekend can actually claim to have been supporting their own bodyweight on their feet? 5%? 10%?

I see some folks around the web citing Ireland specifically - but everyone does it. Otherwise they lose the breakdown, badly, and usually the game, badly.

 

[Amiga500]

And france were full value for the win.

That squad could go 3 (6N) in a row if they don't slip back into bad habits.

 

[big ginger 8]

Well, his speed of thought gives him the first yard over most anyway. His skills give him the ability to leverage that yard for others. The explosive speed is just the icing on the cake allowing him to actually do more himself.


I think Gardner said to Aldritt that TMO reviewed in background...? (And presumably seen nothing obvious)


But I get your general point. The breakdown is a mess with almost everyone off their feet. What percentage of players in all breakdowns over the weekend can actually claim to have been supporting their own bodyweight on their feet? 5%? 10%?

I see some folks around the web citing Ireland specifically - but everyone does it. Otherwise they lose the breakdown, badly, and usually the game, badly.

ACL is lateral agility in fairness which is big for Dupont's game but the surgery is so much better than it was and loads have come back with no obvious ill effects.

Yep was reviewed in game and would have been reviewed again when deciding not to cite. The anti Irish rucking is hilarious, like you say every team does it and we imported the template from NZ anyway...

 

[OllyM97]

I wonder if he'll be the same player, I doubt it. It's the same knee he did in 2018.
The fact that the incident was not reviewed by the referee makes the whole narrative about 'protecting players' the charade it is.

Alldritt was literally telling Gardner what had happened and he was just ignored. What on earth was the TMO doing as well?. A lot of Irish fans are saying it was a "rugby incident" - no it wasn't, it was the direct result of an illegal clear-out, and players flying into rucks off their feet at speed. It wasn't an accident either, the end result may not have been intended, but the way Ireland have gone into rucks for years has meant that something like this happening has been inevitable. Ireland were too busy trying to play French players off the ball yesterday. They were horrible, cynical and crossed a line. I felt like Gardner was very lenient on Ireland and harsh on France for a lot of the game.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Alldritt was literally telling Gardner what had happened and he was just ignored. What on earth was the TMO doing as well?. A lot of Irish fans are saying it was a "rugby incident" - no it wasn't, it was the direct result of an illegal clear-out, and players flying into rucks off their feet at speed. It wasn't an accident either, the end result may not have been intended, but the way Ireland have gone into rucks for years has meant that something like this happening has been inevitable. Ireland were too busy trying to play French players off the ball yesterday. They were horrible, cynical and crossed a line. I felt like Gardner was very lenient on Ireland and harsh on France for a lot of the game.

You are so confidently wrong, it's impressive.

 

[Batsumy]

I wonder if he'll be the same player, I doubt it. It's the same knee he did in 2018.
The fact that the incident was not reviewed by the referee makes the whole narrative about 'protecting players' the charade it is.

At least, he will have a rest and wont get burned by doing so much top14 matches. We need him for the next world cup and thats good he got a rest eventhough it is forced in this way. Surgery on ACL nowadays are very good for professionals like Dupont, they even quite often coming back stronger. The other positive of this negative event is that we will work on our Dupont dependence. It costs us a 1/4 final of a world cup, thats enough, we need solid other options and we have (Lucu, Le Garrec, Serin, Jauneau et others), I'm not worried

Rewatching the match, as much as sometimes there are nasty things happening, I do not feel there is any bad intent in that case. The only thing that could be discussed is that the irish players are not staying on their feet so penalty for France but thats hapening all the time in rucks so a difficult one....

Again, impressive match from the french men, a lesson to watch in defensive rugby, they never consumed themselves more than they had to in the rucks, they were constantly aware of their surroundings and replacing themselves smartly, which has stopped them to find themselves outnumbered. And on top that, they tackled very well all along the match, bravo !

 

[LIONSxv]

Alldritt was literally telling Gardner what had happened and he was just ignored. What on earth was the TMO doing as well?. A lot of Irish fans are saying it was a "rugby incident" - no it wasn't, it was the direct result of an illegal clear-out, and players flying into rucks off their feet at speed. It wasn't an accident either, the end result may not have been intended, but the way Ireland have gone into rucks for years has meant that something like this happening has been inevitable. Ireland were too busy trying to play French players off the ball yesterday. They were horrible, cynical and crossed a line. I felt like Gardner was very lenient on Ireland and harsh on France for a lot of the game.

Ire do fly into rucks and have gotten the rub of the green for a number of years. However you are wrong regarding this incident. Beirne does not fly in missile style like James Ryan. He doesn't wrap his arms but does make an attempt to win the battle of the shoulders. Porter knocks Beirne off centre, Beirne then unintentionally caught DPs standing leg which got stuck and then hyper extended...it was horrible to watch having done this myself years ago.

Their is 0 evidence from any of the footage to suggest that Beirne flew in an uncontrolled manner or targeted ADP standing leg...Charlie ewels style.

 

[AlRums]

Alldritt was literally telling Gardner what had happened and he was just ignored. What on earth was the TMO doing as well?. A lot of Irish fans are saying it was a "rugby incident" - no it wasn't, it was the direct result of an illegal clear-out, and players flying into rucks off their feet at speed. It wasn't an accident either, the end result may not have been intended, but the way Ireland have gone into rucks for years has meant that something like this happening has been inevitable. Ireland were too busy trying to play French players off the ball yesterday. They were horrible, cynical and crossed a line. I felt like Gardner was very lenient on Ireland and harsh on France for a lot of the game.

On the highlights video I got the impression DuPont's outer knee was near enough targeted.

See the video at the top of this article

Antoine Dupont: France captain suffers cruciate knee injury in Six Nations win over Ireland

France captain Antoine Dupont ruptured cruciate ligaments in his knee during Les Bleus' Six Nations win over Ireland on Saturday.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

On the highlights video I got the impression DuPont's outer knee was near enough targeted.

See the video at the top of this article

Antoine Dupont: France captain suffers cruciate knee injury in Six Nations win over Ireland

France captain Antoine Dupont ruptured cruciate ligaments in his knee during Les Bleus' Six Nations win over Ireland on Saturday.

www.bbc.co.uk

I don't agree at all, Beirne attempted a clearout, missed and then rolled in to Dupont (not looking at him at the time). The vast majority of times he simply would have rolled onto the floor next to his foot. If you want to see what a player actually targeting the side of a players knee looks like, look at Lavanini on Hughes a few years back (Lavanini arguably should have never played rugby again after that, it was a deliberate attempt to seriously injure Hughes)

 

[OllyM97]

Irish fans are holier than thou about the Dupont injury when I know for a fact that had the roles been reversed, they would have been screaming blue murder. I'm not changing my opinion - it was a horrible clear-out and Ireland have been doing that kind of thing for years. It's dangerous play. Galthie comes across as bitter a fair bit of the time but on this occasion I agree with him. It was a cheap shot.

 

[munstermuffin]

On the highlights video I got the impression DuPont's outer knee was near enough targeted.

See the video at the top of this article

Antoine Dupont: France captain suffers cruciate knee injury in Six Nations win over Ireland

France captain Antoine Dupont ruptured cruciate ligaments in his knee during Les Bleus' Six Nations win over Ireland on Saturday.

www.bbc.co.uk

If you watch closely Dupont

Irish fans are holier than thou about the Dupont injury when I know for a fact that had the roles been reversed, they would have been screaming blue murder. I'm not changing my opinion - it was a horrible clear-out and Ireland have been doing that kind of thing for years. It's dangerous play. Galthie comes across as bitter a fair bit of the time but on this occasion I agree with him. It was a cheap shot.

But Beirne didn't even know that Dupont was there so how was it targeting. Also noone seems to see Dupont actually was leaned in and off balance

 

[big ginger 8]

Irish fans are holier than thou about the Dupont injury when I know for a fact that had the roles been reversed, they would have been screaming blue murder. I'm not changing my opinion - it was a horrible clear-out and Ireland have been doing that kind of thing for years. It's dangerous play. Galthie comes across as bitter a fair bit of the time but on this occasion I agree with him. It was a cheap shot.

You know a hypothetical for a fact, fair fucks.

Your hatred of Ireland is cartoonish.

 

[Toulousain ex French fan]

At least, he will have a rest and wont get burned by doing so much top14 matches. We need him for the next world cup and thats good he got a rest eventhough it is forced in this way. Surgery on ACL nowadays are very good for professionals like Dupont, they even quite often coming back stronger. The other positive of this negative event is that we will work on our Dupont dependence. It costs us a 1/4 final of a world cup, thats enough, we need solid other options and we have (Lucu, Le Garrec, Serin, Jauneau et others), I'm not worried

Rewatching the match, as much as sometimes there are nasty things happening, I do not feel there is any bad intent in that case. The only thing that could be discussed is that the irish players are not staying on their feet so penalty for France but thats hapening all the time in rucks so a difficult one....

Again, impressive match from the french men, a lesson to watch in defensive rugby, they never consumed themselves more than they had to in the rucks, they were constantly aware of their surroundings and replacing themselves smartly, which has stopped them to find themselves outnumbered. And on top that, they tackled very well all along the match, bravo !

Ah yes I forgot about that pesky Top14…what was I thinking…
let's see, Antoine was back playing in October when the league restarted late August. Antoine has played (official LNR stats) THREE Top14 games this season for a total of 195 min. In comparison he has played SEVEN games (3 Nov tests+4 6N) for a total of 464 minutes…
But hey the Top14 is killing him!! And Stade Toulousain are just a bunch of slave drivers paying him that astronomical salary and picking up the medical tab again, where is the League for the Defense of Human Rights when we need them…. I have blocked you, so save yourself et ferme ton claque à merde.