[2023 Six Nations] Ireland v England - 18 March 2023

[higgik]

Surely, duty of care should be both players, not just the tackler.
If Steward had not braced he could have also been badly hurt.

 

[Aristodemus]

I think he turned because it clearly went forward, very hard to judge him on that it was split second stuff

 

[McTallshort]

Think BOD is right. Unlucky for Steward but he does have a responsibility and Keenan is now off and probably game over.

Such a shame though. England were looking ok apart from Itoje and Dombrant

 

[Bluemoon]

4. Is there any mitigation?
Considerations include:
• Line of sight
• Sudden and significant drop or movement • Clear attempt to change height
• Level of control
• Upright - passive vs dynamic

Mitigation

• Sudden / significant drop in height or change in direction from ball carrier
• A late change in dynamics due to another player in the contact
• An effort to wrap / bind and having no time to adjust.

I guess it's whether you'd argue he had control, whether Keenan shifted/changed line trying to get the ball in full speed and whether he had any time to adjust...

 

[Groundhog]

I feel bad for Steward because he saw it late and probably did what we'd all do which is turn your body to brace for impact. That said it's a straightforward red call. High degree of danger, contact to head, no dio, wrap or any mitigation. I agree with some here that it's a bit of a gap, because he didn't enter that situation intending to make a tackle, but it's about the outcome not intention.

"Best Defense Is No Be There"

 

[Wasps92]

TMO absolutely desperate for it to be red.

 

[Reiser99]

Good spot from Wilko that it looked like the ball was gonna be hacked on and Steward reacts to that, but then Keenan grabs it and Stewards in no man's land with what he can do

Yeah, at that point Peyper is saying he should plan for Keenan to angle to kick it, but then pull out and catch the ball almost horizontally. More I look at it the more I feel red is just harsh considering some of the reckless head contacts we see.

 

[Gavin]

Loved BOD telling it to Sir Clive.

Why is that man (SCW) a pundit?

 

[BrokenWing]

it's about the outcome not intention.

I find this ridiculous.

It's ok to try and kick someone in the head as long as you miss.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I feel bad for Steward because he saw it late and probably did what we'd all do which is turn your body to brace for impact. That said it's a straightforward red call. High degree of danger, contact to head, no dio, wrap or any mitigation. I agree with some here that it's a bit of a gap, because he didn't enter that situation intending to make a tackle, but it's about the outcome not intention.

"Best Defense Is No Be There"

No dip? He was practically horizontal and fumbling the ball when he made contact...

 

[Reiser99]

4. Is there any mitigation?
Considerations include:
• Line of sight
• Sudden and significant drop or movement • Clear attempt to change height
• Level of control
• Upright - passive vs dynamic

Mitigation

• Sudden / significant drop in height or change in direction from ball carrier
• A late change in dynamics due to another player in the contact
• An effort to wrap / bind and having no time to adjust.

I guess it's whether you'd argue he had control, whether Keenan shifted/changed line trying to get the ball in full speed and whether he had any time to adjust...

In full speed you can definitely argue a sudden change in height.

 

[Houseplant]

This is the thing: BC gets the ball a mili second before so he cant attempt to tackle earlier. BC is also leaning forward, so head first. Peyper said 'you were upright'. How the **** is he supposed to position himself if the guy grabs the ball on his face. True, he could have chosen not to contest. Turning the body is, imo, clearly not to attempt to stop the BC but to protect himself from the collision. Almost instinctive. We're watchin most of the replays in slow mow from our couches. It's fast a ****.

If you dont time things perfectly (and know that!) the only move is not to contest and wait, which gives bc momentum. I get why is a red. My point is that he was very, very unlucky.

- Well hallo captain obvious!

Yeah agree with this. Again, most of us are agreeing that this is technically a red card. But sometimes it just feels like a race to the bottom with more and more measures and rules that are proooooobably sensible but ultimately trying to work around the fact that rugby is a dangerous game

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Interesting that MacKKK Hansen is wearing a white hat and a white undershirt

I can think of another group of people who cover themselves in white and "hate" people from over seas





That's right: England football fans
Can't wait for him to add a bulldog and/or three lions to his tattoo collection

 

[Groundhog]

No dip? He was practically horizontalb and fumbling the ball when he made contact...

Again, I'm sympathetic, but Steward didn't dip. There's a pretty good reason for that, but the outcome is a shoulder to head and thus red. Rightly or wrongly the duty of care falls entirely on Steward. There's no other decision the ref could make, even if in principle we don't like or agree with it.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Keenan off for the game.

 

[McTallshort]

Loved BOD telling it to Sir Clive.

Why is that man (SCW) a pundit?

Good question, well presented, deserves and answer

 

[Jimbo]

Aki clearly in at the side ffs those little things teams get away with when they are top two or 3 in the world infuriate me.

 

[General Melchett]

So going forward players in Steward's position will have to decide whether to get sent off or carried off with a couple of broken rubs.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Why the **** did we kick to the wing when we only had ludlam there!?

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

So going forward players in Steward's position will have to decide whether to get sent off or carried off with a couple of broken rubs.

Keenan was stumbling in to him? Hardly Brian Lima coming for him.