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[2019 Six Nations] Wales vs England (23/02/2019)


It just feels that way. That session isn't a serious session, and its Welsh Rugby making the stadium available to the away team. A bit like England choosing to travel down on Friday instead of before. Like it was all no big deal to them. Maybe that's just me, I dunno.
 
It just feels that way. That session isn't a serious session, and its Welsh Rugby making the stadium available to the away team. A bit like England choosing to travel down on Friday instead of before. Like it was all no big deal to them. Maybe that's just me, I dunno.
Yeah, it is just you.
Any reason to have a pop at the English though, I guess.
 
Yeah, it is just you.
Any reason to have a pop at the English though, I guess.

No I would have said that about any side. ALSO didn't I read somewhere that 10 of the English squad had never played in Wales before? And yet EJ turns down an opportunity for them to feel the ground before the match. Just weird, rude, arrogant. And actually nothing to do with nations.
 
For me the annoying thing isn't that we couldn't switch to a Plan B so much as that we weren't even trying Plan A properly. Against Ireland England were moving the ball wide quickly to create the space in the backfield, forcing the backs to move up, and then kicking. It was exacerbated by their fullback issues, but that basic plan is pretty clever.

Wales were better at slowing the ball, so we couldn't always get it wide as quickly. This meant than there was more time for them to drift wide, and their backline cover stayed intact more often than not. Where I feel England (Farrell, and to a lesser extent Youngs) were getting it horribly wrong was that if you have a two-step plan (1. create space in the backfield 2. kick to the backfield) you don't skip to part 2 if you can't get part 1 right. (I wonder if France spoiled us slightly by doing step 1 for us?)

And I'm sure the point can be made that Liam Williams is a better Fullback than the others, but the fact of the matter is the tactic still worked! There's a few examples where we managed to draw him out of position*, and we pretty much always ended up in their 22 because of it. Because he knows what he's doing, there were fewer opportunities, but I would have liked to see England create or wait for those opportunities rather than just wellying it.

*Rewatching the game, I think at least some of England's shitty kicking was to draw Liam Williams up from the back so they could tie him down. Problem with that is it only works if you win the aerial battle, and Williams was very effective.
 
No I would have said that about any side. ALSO didn't I read somewhere that 10 of the English squad had never played in Wales before? And yet EJ turns down an opportunity for them to feel the ground before the match. Just weird, rude, arrogant. And actually nothing to do with nations.

Why do u feel the need to apply labels and make accusations of Rudeness and Arrogance I'm sure they have nothing to do with EJ et all's reasoning it's just completely uncalled for...
 
Why do u feel the need to apply labels and make accusations of Rudeness and Arrogance I'm sure they have nothing to do with EJ et all's reasoning it's just completely uncalled for...

I don't think it was that bad really... if it were the other way around and a news story broke around Eddie Jones commenting on the slightly unusual Welsh travel plans to Twickenham and how they will probably get caught up in traffic at a notorious English stretch of road. Then they did actually get caught up in traffic and decided not to take the Captains run at the ground. Then ended up losing a match to England, when they went in as favourites... there probably would be an English commenter (one or two) that would bring all that stuff up about Wales using some choice words.

This is Wales vs England... there will be some spikey opinions.
 
I don't think it was that bad really... if it were the other way around and a news story broke around Eddie Jones commenting on the slightly unusual Welsh travel plans to Twickenham and how they will probably get caught up in traffic at a notorious English stretch of road. Then they did actually get caught up in traffic and decided not to take the Captains run at the ground. Then ended up losing a match to England, when they went in as favourites... there probably would be an English commenter (one or two) that would bring all that stuff up about Wales using some choice words.

This is Wales vs England... there will be some spikey opinions.

I am glad at least we can agree these labels are solely being applied because it's an oppertunity to have a pop at the English at least it's not just us English that think this.
 
Nope, I have literally never seen the media/fans go after the Welsh squad in the way they go after the English.

Farrell gives a reserved post match interview after a tough loss and he gets torn to shreds.
The England side go to thank the travelling fans in Dublin: called arrogant so and sos.


There is zero chance Wales would be called rude and arrogant for getting caught in traffic.
 
I am glad at least we can agree these labels are solely being applied because it's an oppertunity to have a pop at the English at least it's not just us English that think this.

Oh he's definitely having a pop... there's people on here having pops all the time, sometimes in good humour sometimes not. It's one of two reasons I regularly frequent (the other being rugby).
 
Nope, I have literally never seen the media/fans go after the Welsh squad in the way they go after the English.

Farrell gives a reserved post match interview after a tough loss and he gets torn to shreds.
The England side go to thank the travelling fans in Dublin: called arrogant so and sos.


There is zero chance Wales would be called rude and arrogant for getting caught in traffic.

I didn't say the Media but... and it's only my opinion but I'd be HIGHLY surprised if an English commenter or two on TRF would'nt take the opportunity to make a few disparaging comments if the whole scenario had played out with the shoe on the other foot.
 
Oh he's definitely having a pop... there's people on here having pops all the time, sometimes in good humour sometimes not. It's one of two reasons I regularly frequent (the other being rugby).

If anything it may actually be that EJ felt it was a tough place to go and wanted to limit the teams exposure, if anything showing Wales the respect they deserve, whilst I expected a win I never expected Wales to be anything but formidable and I very much doubt EJ et all did which to me is the opposite to arrogance.
 
If anything it may actually be that EJ felt it was a tough place to go and wanted to limit the teams exposure, if anything showing Wales the respect they deserve, whilst I expected a win I never expected Wales to be anything but formidable and I very much doubt EJ et all did which to me is the opposite to arrogance.

I have no opinion on what Eddie was doing there tbh... you may well be right or maybe Eddie was attempting some mind games beyond my imagination. I just think, these things will always be brought up by the opposition fans if for any reason it is perceived as having back-fired... if you're English or otherwise.
 
I have no opinion on what Eddie was doing there tbh... you may well be right or maybe Eddie was attempting some mind games beyond my imagination. I just think, these things will always be brought up by the opposition fans if for any reason it is perceived as having back-fired... if you're English or otherwise.

So are you saying it's not simply because it's the English, I thought your previous comment about spikey opinions due to it being England and Wales confirmed that you were agreeing it was simply because it's The English and the same logic wouldn't be applied to other nations?
 
So are you saying it's not simply because it's the English, I thought your previous comment about spikey opinions due to it being England and Wales confirmed that you were agreeing it was simply because it's The English and the same logic wouldn't be applied to other nations?

Things are definitely intensified in this fixture no doubt but what I was implying was, that when considering my opinion around Wales' unusual travel plans and choosing not to complete the Captains run... It would be the Welsh (& therefore not only the English) who would probably encounter the odd spikey comment from (in this scenario) English commenters. I wouldn't even sweat the comments really, might take the opportunity to 'poke' back a little for a laugh but nothing more.

I was actually trying to defuse the situation but take it as you will.
 
Things are definitely intensified in this fixture no doubt but what I was implying was, that when considering my opinion around Wales' unusual travel plans and choosing not to complete the Captains run... It would be the Welsh (& therefore not only the English) who would probably encounter the odd spikey comment from (in this scenario) English commenters. I wouldn't even sweat the comments really, might take the opportunity to 'poke' back a little for a laugh but nothing more.

I was actually trying to defuse the situation but take it as you will.

You can say that again intensified on and off the pitch typical of Wales to find a performance against England.

I think if any other comment other than Arrogance was used I wouldn't really care but it's almost as if what ever happens let's apply that word to The English at every oppertunity, that is what I resent.
 
You can say that again intensified on and off the pitch typical of Wales to find a performance against England.

I think if any other comment other than Arrogance was used I wouldn't really care but it's almost as if what ever happens let's apply that word to The English at every oppertunity, that is what I resent.

Mate you need to embrace it like Olyy... it's only ever used generically anyway... it's like calling us sheep-'huggers'! We been wearing sheep hats with blow-up sheep under our arms for years. The 'heal' tag is probably THE most marketable aspect of the English brand.
 
Mate you need to embrace it like Olyy... it's only ever used generically anyway... it's like calling us sheep-'huggers'! We been wearing sheep hats with blow-up sheep under our arms for years. The 'heal' tag is probably THE most marketable aspect of the English brand.

Lol fair play, I'll bare that in mind, I resent the "Sheep-hugger " tag too, I use to get it a lot from team mates when I played, I was born in Swansea.
 
Lol fair play, I'll bare that in mind, I resent the "Sheep-hugger " tag too, I use to get it a lot from team mates when I played, I was born in Swansea.

Well why didn't you say mun... what's appenin' butt!
 

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