2017 Americas Rugby Championship

[petite]

Brazil and Chile's performances were far superior to the scorelines. The Brazilian's try was outstanding and they had a series of exciting line breaks throughout the match. A huge issue for both sides is fitness and conditioning as they lose huge amounts of points when they run out of energy. But there is a lot of raw talent there and Brazil in particular are playing a brand of rugby that can only help win over support of the public.

Cancelliere looks like a possible option for the Jaguares squad at scrum half while Landajo is injured?

yep if they didnt knock on that ball (what a sitter) they would have reach the 30 min in almost a draw. finally i agree they run out of energy and where morally broked by argentina. they are growing and have the raw materials to be a rugby power house as they are in almost every other sport.
its a matter of time, but as it is in argentina the sport is played mostlly by upper classes (no blacks in the team) it needs to open up. in argentina is slowly openig to a wider public, therefore growing.

 

[CocoPampas]

Brasil did it again!!
As last year against USA, today they beat Canada in the last minutes of the match.
Congrats!

 

[argie]

Yes, Brazil continues improving their rugby. They have won to Canada 24-23 for first time, and will finish the ARC in 4th position ahead of Canada and Chile.
They will rise in the WR Rankings to 31st, when before the first season of the ARC they were 42nd or more.
So the reason to create the ARC was to give competition to the teams to the region. To they, and to Uruguay and Chile. Brazil and Uruguay have take advantage of this, and clearly not Canada and Chile, which apparently have not worked seriously.

 

[CocoPampas]

That was a very good display from USA.
Argentina have a lot of things to think about for next year.

 

[Superalexmarket]

Congratulations USA champions of the Americas Rugby Championships 2017. Final match Argentina XV 27 USA 27.

 

[argie]

2017 ARC Champions

 

[argie]

Round 5
Brazil vs Canada (Full Match)



https://youtu.be/2vLVXk7uvBo

BRAZIL - 24
Tries – D. Sancery (10'), M. Duque (37'), L. Tranquez (78')
Cons – M. Duque 3 (11', 38', 79')
Pens – M. Duque (16')
Yellow cards – D. Lopez (72')

CANADA - 23
Tries – N. Blevins (13'), G. McRorie (26')
Cons – G. McRorie 2 (14', 27')
Pens – G. McRorie 2 (48', 55')
Drop goals – G. McRorie (66')
Yellow cards – B. Beukeboom (72')

TEAMS

BRAZIL
1 Jonatas Paulo (17 Wilton Rebolo 38'), 2 Yan Rosetti, 3 Pedro Bengaló (18 Matheus Rocha 45'), 4 Lucas Piero (19 Diego López 45'), 5 Luiz Vieira (20 João Luiz da Ros 74'), 6 André Arruda, 7 Arthur Bergo, 8 Nick Smith (capt.), 9 Lucas Duque, 10 Josh Reeves, 11 Lucas Tranquez, 12 Moisés Duque, 13 Felipe Sancery, 14 Ariel Rodrigues, 15 Daniel Sancery

Not used: 16 Luan Almeida, 21 Matheus Cruz, 22 Matheus Cláudio, 23 Stefano Giantorno

CANADA
1 Rob Brouwer (17 Djustice Sears-Duru 53'), 2 Eric Howard (16 Ray Barkwill 49'), 3 Matt Tierney, 4 Brett Beukeboom, 5 Liam Chisholm (19 Reegan O'Gorman 64'), 6 Matt Beukeboom, 7 Lucas Rumball, 8 Admir Cejvanovic, 9 Gordon McRorie (capt.), 10 Gradyn Bowd (21 Phil Mack 49'), 11 Rory McDonell, 12 Nick Blevins, 13 Conor Trainor, 14 Dan Moor, 15 Guiseppe du Toit

Not used: 18 Cole Keith, 20 Clay Panga, 22 George Barton, 23 Brock Staller

MATCH OFFICIALS

Referee: Damián Schneider (UAR)
Assistants: Ricardo Sant'Anna (CBRu) & Murilo Bragotto (CBRu)

Attendance: 4.000

 

[Welshdragon2000]

Congratulations USA on winning the tournament, delighted that someone could offer Argentina some competition at last. And also what a way to win the tournament, such drama!

 

[argie]

Round 5
Argentina XV vs USA (Full Match)



https://youtu.be/qb59SspiQPI

ARGENTINA XV - 27
Tries – Penalty try (40'), Penalty try (53'), G. Ascárate (63')
Cons – D. Miotti (64')
Pens – D. Miotti 2 (7', 56')
Yellow cards – S. Cancelliere (45')

USA - 27
Tries – W. Magie (29'), D. Tameilau 2 (37', 80'), C. Dolan (74')
Cons – B. Cima 2 (38', 80')
Pens – B. Cima (15')
Yellow cards – M. Te'o (40'), D. Tameilau (44')

TEAMS

ARGENTINA XV
1 Francisco Ferronato (18 Eduardo Bello 60'), 2 Gaspar Baldunciel (16 Marcelo Brandi 46'), 3 Santiago Medrano (17 Nicolás Solveyra 69'), 4 Pedro Ortega (19 Franco Molina 66'), 5 Ignacio Larrague, 6 Francisco Gorrissen (20 Santiago Montagner 73'), 7 Lautaro Bavaro (capt.), 8 Tomás de la Vega, 9 Sebastián Cancelliere (21 Lautaro Bazán 57'), 10 Domingo Miotti, 11 Julián Domínguez, 12 Bruno Devoto, 13 Santiago Ãlvarez (22 Juan Cruz González 54'), 14 Germán Schulz, 15 Gabriel Ascárate (23 Franco Cuaranta 71')

USA EAGLES
1 Anthony Purpura (17 Ben Tarr 57'), 2 James Hilterbrand (16 Peter Malcolm 46'), 3 Chris Baumann (18 Olive Kilifi 57') , 4 Matt Jensen, 5 Siaosi Mahoni (20 David Tameilau 25'), 6 John Quill (19 Hanco Germishuys 64'), 7 Tony Lamborn, 8 Cam Dolan, 9 Shaun Davies (23 Spike Davis 71'), 10 Will Magie (22 Ryan Matyas 64'), 11 Nate Augspurger (capt.), 12 JP Eloff (21 Calvin Whiting 66'), 13 Bryce Campbell, 14 Mike Te'o, 15 Ben Cima

MATCH OFFICIALS

Referee: Joaquín Montes (URU)
Assistants: Santiago Altobelli (UAR) & José Covassi (UAR)

 

[Bruce_ma gooshvili]

The ESPN commentators said Argentina had won the tournament. Oops!

A cracking final match and hopefully puts a little pressure on Argentina to bring some more fringe international players into their future matches against the USA (and ultimately make it a full test). John Mitchell made a bad impression on me when he took on the USA job but he has them playing well at set piece, defence and with ball in hand. The signs are promising for them if they can settle on a domestic professional setup.

Also impressed by Brazil, with the fullback Sensary looking particularly good. Even if Canada are weakened missing their European bases Pros that is a serious result.

 

[CocoPampas]

The ESPN commentators said Argentina had won the tournament. Oops!

A cracking final match and hopefully puts a little pressure on Argentina to bring some more fringe international players into their future matches against the USA (and ultimately make it a full test). John Mitchell made a bad impression on me when he took on the USA job but he has them playing well at set piece, defence and with ball in hand. The signs are promising for them if they can settle on a domestic professional setup.

Also impressed by Brazil, with the fullback Sensary looking particularly good. Even if Canada are weakened missing their European bases Pros that is a serious result.

This tournament is set in the wrong momento of the year for Argentina. Particularly thinking about having a second super rugby franchise in the near future. A couple of additional player could be included in the next year, but not seems to be any major change. However, this year's team have a lot of room to grow with the same players.
As soon as we get a second franchise, the tournament needs to be moved.

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

This tournament is set in the wrong momento of the year for Argentina. Particularly thinking about having a second super rugby franchise in the near future. A couple of additional player could be included in the next year, but not seems to be any major change. However, this year's team have a lot of room to grow with the same players.
As soon as we get a second franchise, the tournament needs to be moved.

Well we can't pick any of our best players because world rugby doesn't have a global calendar and their clubs won't release them.

 

[CocoPampas]

Well we can't pick any of our best players because world rugby doesn't have a global calendar and their clubs won't release them.

A global calendar isn't going to happen any time soon.
And this time slot was selected to give USA and Canada a good argument to request their players from european clubs (if the clubs can release their players for the Six Nations why the can't do it to USA and Canada?).
Actually, I though that you were selecting some of your europe players for a couple of matches each (although I know that it doesn't mean you are using your best squad).

The problem for Argentina to make it a full test side, is that we aren't using around our 35/40 best players because they need to play super rugby (plus others 5/10 top players currently in Europe).
For sure we can continue playing this tournamente without these players for the next two years, and still have a good chance for winning the tournament. However, the UAR is not going to accept to name this team as Los Pumas. And this situation it will be worst as soon as we get a second super rugby franchise, meaning 55+ players not availables for the ARC.

If the main reason for using this time slot is not working as was expected, and this time slot is preventing the Argentina to consider these matches as full test, then the ARC needs to be moved to a different time. I'm pretty sure that nothing is going to happen for the next two years. Lets hope that the new international game distribution (starting on 2020) give the Americas a better place to work on.

 

[argie]

Round 5
Uruguay vs Chile (Full Match)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we0qWxn-esA

URUGUAY - 45
Tries – J. Echeverría (27'), L. Leivas 2 (32', 36'), N. Freitas 2 (53', 67'), D. Magno (63')
Cons – G. Albanell 4 (28', 33', 37', 54'), R. Silva 2 (64', 68')
Pens – G. Albanell (22')
Yellow cards – J. de Freitas (76')
Red cards – M. Sagario (80')

CHILE - 14
Tries – N. Bursic (79')
Pens – F. González Moller 2 (20', 39'), T. Ianiszewski (31')
Yellow cards – F. González Moller (21'), T. Ianiszewski (62')

TEAMS

URUGUAY
1 Mateo Sanguinetti (16 Facundo Gattas 64'), 2 Martín Espiga (17 Matías Benítez 69'), 3 Juan Echeverría (18 Mario Sagario 52'), 4 Ignacio Dotti (19 Diego Ayala 64'), 5 Diego Magno, 6 Juan Manuel Gaminara (capt.), 7 Rodolfo Garese, 8 Alejandro Nieto (20 Gonzalo Soto 57'), 9 Guillermo Lijtenstein, 10 Germán Albanell (22 Gastón Mieres 57'), 11 Nicolás Freitas, 12 Andrés Vilaseca (23 Juan de Freitas 64'), 13 Juan Manuel Cat, 14 Leandro Leivas, 15 Rodrigo Silva (21 Lucas Durán 69')

CHILE
1 Claudio Zamorano (17 Vittorio Lastra 47'), 2 Manuel Gurruchaga (capt.), 3 José Tomás Munita (18 Lucas Bordigoni 64'), 4 Mario Mayol, 5 Nikola Bursic, 6 Cristóbal Niedmann (20 Arturo Seeman 52'), 7 Anton Petrowitsch, 8 Benjamín Soto (19 Manuel Dagnino 59'), 9 Juan Pablo Larenas (21 Sergio Bascuñan 55'), 10 Francisco González Moller, 11 Tomás Ianiszewski, 12 Ricardo Sifri (22 Jorge Castillo 64'), 13 José Ignacio Larenas, 14 Mauricio Urrutia, 15 Rodrigo Fernández (23 Martín Fernández 61')

Not used: 16 Rodrigo Moya

MATCH OFFICIALS

Referee: Kurt Weaver (USAR)
Assistants: Claudio Cattivelli (URU) & Martín Bangueses (URU)

 

[Bruce_ma gooshvili]

Glad to see Uruguay do alright in this tournament. The result in Argentina this weekend underlines how good Uruguays earlier performance in the US was even though they lost. They must have a chance in the RWC repechage (if they get there) against even a full strength US or Canada (although obviously they would be underdogs).

It looks like there is work to be done with this tournament in terms of sponsorship and publicity (good crowds in Argentina but some disappointments elsewhere), and I'm a little concerned about increased talk of this being a development tournament. But this is understandable for a new tournament in some relatively new territories and every team will have benefited from this (even if it may not feel like it for Canada and Chile).

 

[Bruce_ma gooshvili]

Some nice tries from Brazil vs Canada despite very wet weather.

https://youtu.be/8GX95Hf1jso

 

[CocoPampas]

ARC 2017 - Final Positions:

1 Estados Unidos 22
2 Argentina XV 21
3 Uruguay 15
4 Brasil 8
5 Canadá 8
6 Chile 0

USA and Brasil the big winners, a very good performance from Uruguay and very bad results for Canada and Chile.

- - - Updated - - -

Tournament Attendance: 55,738 (3,716 per match)

Less than last year, but can be explaned in part for the differences in the fixture.

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

A global calendar isn't going to happen any time soon.
And this time slot was selected to give USA and Canada a good argument to request their players from european clubs (if the clubs can release their players for the Six Nations why the can't do it to USA and Canada?).
Actually, I though that you were selecting some of your europe players for a couple of matches each (although I know that it doesn't mean you are using your best squad).

The problem for Argentina to make it a full test side, is that we aren't using around our 35/40 best players because they need to play super rugby (plus others 5/10 top players currently in Europe).
For sure we can continue playing this tournamente without these players for the next two years, and still have a good chance for winning the tournament. However, the UAR is not going to accept to name this team as Los Pumas. And this situation it will be worst as soon as we get a second super rugby franchise, meaning 55+ players not availables for the ARC.

If the main reason for using this time slot is not working as was expected, and this time slot is preventing the Argentina to consider these matches as full test, then the ARC needs to be moved to a different time. I'm pretty sure that nothing is going to happen for the next two years. Lets hope that the new international game distribution (starting on 2020) give the Americas a better place to work on.

part of the value of having american and canadian players is that you don't have to release them for internationals... if we start demanding that I think we would stop seeing americans and canucks in the top european leagues

is it really a problem that argentina doesn't put the pumas in this competition? they would obviously cruise through the competition and what would the players gain from it? right now young argentinians get valuable international experience while the other teams get to play 5 games with one of them coming against an established rugby nation

 

[CocoPampas]

part of the value of having american and canadian players is that you don't have to release them for internationals... if we start demanding that I think we would stop seeing americans and canucks in the top european leagues

is it really a problem that argentina doesn't put the pumas in this competition? they would obviously cruise through the competition and what would the players gain from it? right now young argentinians get valuable international experience while the other teams get to play 5 games with one of them coming against an established rugby nation

Yes, we had the excact same problem with our players a couple of years ago, when we were playing the Rugby Championship but not the Super Rugby yet. That was the reason behind no playing with a full squad for several june windows. Indeed is part of the same problem that drove us to our current banning policy (which isn't any long term solution).
However, if we want to have a viable product we need to have quality players on the pitch (not only good prospects).

Regarding Argentina using or not the Pumas in this competition, it's a fair claim from some of the others countries involved. And also is related with marketing. For sure the current setup it's useful for the UAR, but depends on world rugby money. And if we want to keep this alive for long time we need to build a auto-sustainable product.

IMHO to build up the ARC as a long term viable product, the UAR needs to play the Pumas (although not a full strength) and USA and Canada need to have their best players available as much as possible.

 

[Brigantine]

Brazil doing well vs Uruguay now, 25 minutes in. Brazil are already the highest ranked team *not* still competing for RWC qualification.

[EDIT: stream is working now]

Uruguay are still quite one-dimensional, and not very disciplined in terms of keeping possession. Several times they made an offload or pass under pressure without looking, and it goes straight to a Brazilian player. There was also one very comical Uruguay scrum where the Uruguayan hooker accidentally kicked it straight to the Brazilian 2nd row.

Brazil's territorial kicking game was working quite well, but only because Uruguay made mistakes and gave away possession often enough. Also that one Brazilian forward made a few breaks and had the pace to make some good meters.

Both sides making several turnovers at breakdowns.