[2016 Super Rugby] Highlanders vs. Chiefs (Round 17) 16/07/2016

[Kiwiwomble]

Getting too deep into this, I know, but if the ref simply said to smith don't be offside next time, then many would have said fair play. As it turns out, a guy committing an infraction (Smith) is basically rewarded. If smith walks in the side of a ruck on his own goal line, preventing a try scoring, the he gets binned. On the half way, it's ignored.

again, it was a great game, and I am rather just picking on two incidents that swayed the outcome in favour of the highlanders, when they might have been treated differently. Say it again, I generally have favoured the Otago side as I have a good mate who I played with from there, so it's nothing to do with any bias. Just a love of the open game.

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faddes got some jets in open play, i know that. Highlanders were at odds to score past the cheifs for about an hour, until the binning. Don't need to get into that. Wasn't much penetration from either side backs for the first hour. Chiefs backs hardly had a sniff in fairness. Bird was excellent, as was Cane. Shame both teams made to travel a distance to play a q final. Makes it interesting for the neutral, all the same.

You do acknowledge smith was tipped past the horizontal and dumped on his shoulder thought aye?

Foul play always over rules offside

I really don't see how you think smith being offside is worse than getting tip tackled

If sanders had cleared him out legally, really smashed him but a clean tackle...no binning and the game might have gone differently

You can't blame Jackson or smith for sanders having a brain explosion and potentially costing the Chiefs the game

 

[Nubiwan]

You do acknowledge smith was tipped past the horizontal and dumped on his shoulder thought aye?

Foul play always over rules offside

I really don't see how you think smith being offside is worse than getting tip tackled

If sanders had cleared him out legally, really smashed him but a clean tackle...no binning and the game might have gone differently

You can't blame Jackson or smith for sanders having a brain explosion and potentially costing the Chiefs the game

Yeah fair enough. Perhaps I am just ****** off it happened. For the sake of what was a great game and was essentially decided at that point.

 

[Larksea]

Larksea, the Law has changed in regard to this in the wake of the controversy over the non awarding of the try in the Lions v Blues match in 2014

[TEXTAREA]LAW 12: DEFINITION: KNOCK-ON
A knock-on occurs when a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward,
or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits
the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another
player before the original player can catch it.
‘Forward’ means towards the opposing team’s dead ball line.
If a player in tackling an opponent makes contact with the ball and the ball goes
forward from the ball carrier’s hands, that is a knock-on.
If a player rips the ball or deliberately knocks the ball from an opponent’s hands
and the ball goes forward from the ball carrier’s hands, that is not a knock-on.[/TEXTAREA]
The parts in Red have been added this year.

They make it clear that there is a difference between the ball being stripped and the ball being knocked out in the course of a tackle. More importantly as it applies to this case, the first addition makes it clear that it is only a knock-on if the ball goes forward from the ball carrier's hands. In this case, the ball clearly went backwards from the Highlanders player so there was no knock on from the Highlanders, and the TMO and Glen Jackson were correct to award the try.

interesting but IMO I dont believe it "went backwards" from the highlanders perspective. If it did this whole conversation is pointless and its a try no doubt. Maybe it went straight down and them bounced back a bit at best but I would still class that as a knock on. I think its one of those scenarios where without a TMO its almost always going to be a no try. With a TMO its 50/50.

does seem a bit silly to complain about the reffing in this game though it was actually not too bad for such a high intensity game with very little between the sides. the turning point was the sanders card, and while smith wasn't in danger it was a correct call for the yellow card. Sanders has been very good but it just looked like his eyes lit up when he saw Ben smith just walk around the side of the ruck and get in the way.

 

[austingtir]

interesting but IMO I dont believe it "went backwards" from the highlanders perspective. If it did this whole conversation is pointless and its a try no doubt. Maybe it went straight down and them bounced back a bit at best but I would still class that as a knock on. I think its one of those scenarios where without a TMO its almost always going to be a no try. With a TMO its 50/50.

does seem a bit silly to complain about the reffing in this game though it was actually not too bad for such a high intensity game with very little between the sides. the turning point was the sanders card, and while smith wasn't in danger it was a correct call for the yellow card. Sanders has been very good but it just looked like his eyes lit up when he saw Ben smith just walk around the side of the ruck and get in the way.

It was pretty clear in the slo mo that it traveled backwards..... Im not sure it could of been any more clean cut of not a knock on than you can get. In the slo mo it was clear as day.:huh:

And if you want to complain about the reffing I thought the Chiefs got away with a heck of a lot in this game.

 

[smartcooky]

interesting but IMO I dont believe it "went backwards" from the highlanders perspective. If it did this whole conversation is pointless and its a try no doubt. Maybe it went straight down and them bounced back a bit at best but I would still class that as a knock on. I think its one of those scenarios where without a TMO its almost always going to be a no try. With a TMO its 50/50.

Well then its lucky for many players that you aren't a referee, because straight down is not a knock on. The ball has to go forwards, towards the opposition goal line, before it is a knock on

In any case the ball clearly does not go forwards

It was pretty clear in the slo mo that it traveled backwards..... Im not sure it could of been any more clean cut of not a knock on than you can get. In the slo mo it was clear as day.:huh:

Yep, its clear and its obvious; not even close to a 50/50 call. The ball does not go forwards out of Matt Faddes' grasp; it goes backwards because its knocked in that direction by the right hand of the Chiefs tackler. There is no way the that ball could have gone forwards with Siegfried Fisiihoi's great big big mit in the way.