2014 Six Nations: England vs Ireland (Round 3)

[TRF_Olyy]

It's not for no reason...Farrell is still at 10!

POC is in the side therefore Ireland will not look to attack at all will simply kick the corners, all while he whines at the referee like an overgrown spoilt child.
Rory Best is in the side so Ireland will have roughly a 0% lineout success rate.
Cian Healy is in the side so England players will be picking studs out of their limbs for weeks after the game.

Stereotypes are boring.

 

[McTallshort]

It's not for no reason...Farrell is still at 10!

Also I've yet to see Twelvetrees really prove his attacking ability at international level but that might just be becasue the Irish as a people apparently don't rate him.

Would have agreed before the current 6N but he has been attacking very well so far.

 

[Patchey]

POC is in the side therefore Ireland will not look to attack at all will simply kick the corners, all while he whines at the referee like an overgrown spoilt child.
Rory Best is in the side so Ireland will have roughly a 0% lineout success rate.
Cian Healy is in the side so England players will be picking studs out of their limbs for weeks after the game.

Stereotypes are boring.

I'm with you on this, but you've got to agree that comparing Farrell with Sexton in attack does make us look a little dull. Its still our most attacking back line for a full international in a long time but Farrell, for all his improvements recently, is still a fairly unimaginative fly-half.

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

The problem with Ford from an England point of view is his size. He is tiny and could be a defensive weak link.


As for the match, I'm quietly confident Ireland will win. I think the English backs are fairly blunt. Danny Care has been playing well but thats behind a dominant pack. Ireland will target to put him under pressure and also the English wingers. I think the Irish coaching team are better and Ireland has more experience and players who have played in many big games before. England are 4 points favourites in the bookies which is wrong IMO.





Long term I think it could be Furlong. Either way Leinster are well stocked these days. It wasn't so long ago the provinces had mostly journeymen foreigners and Irish props who were mostly not up to the required standard.

I don't necessarily think England are going to win, but I think your reasoning is pretty poor/not joined up.

Danny Care has been playing well but that's behind a dominant pack... Well, I suppose, but it's not as if he's only doing well the things for which you need a dominant pack. His decision making and running with ball are currently good. Speed of service is still not great.
Johnny Sexton and Murray are playing well but that's behind a dominant pack too. I'm not going to try and extrapolate too far from that. It doesn't change the fact that they're playing well, nor does it mean that they wouldn't be playing well without a dominant pack. The Irish pack has been so strong that Gordon D'Arcy was able to smash Jamie Roberts back in the tackle on one occasion.

Blunt backs? I'd be surprised if this tournament Irish backs had made more metres / beaten more defenders than England. On the face of it your statement is more true of Ireland at the moment than England - and on the evidence of performances so far, Ireland would be the more worried team without a dominant pack.

The odds? Well, We are at home, and have beaten New Zealand and Australia there in recent times. It's not completely irrational. Remember also that England went within a whisker of being 2 from 2. We're not playing poorly, let's put it that way.

Additionally, if you think the odds are wrong, put money on Ireland and you'll be onto a winner - that's what bookies odds are for!

 

[big ginger 8]

POC is in the side therefore Ireland will not look to attack at all will simply kick the corners, all while he whines at the referee like an overgrown spoilt child.
Rory Best is in the side so Ireland will have roughly a 0% lineout success rate.
Cian Healy is in the side so England players will be picking studs out of their limbs for weeks after the game.

Stereotypes are boring.

If you can't realise that was a joke, well then you're just fitting the dour Englishman stereotype...

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

Good word, 'Dour'.

Shame about the grammar

 

[big ginger 8]

Good word, 'Dour'.

Shame about the grammar

I'm just fitting the uneducated farmer Mick stereotype.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Hundreds of years of oppression arrghhh!!!
England haven't had a good team since 2003, no need for Ireland to fear them.
They rely solely on their forwards and ours are better.
The premiership is over-hyped, this is shown by the English side's pure arrogance.
Twickenham is a strange venue for Ireland vs Samoa.

(Sorry, this thread doesn't have the England vs Ireland feel to it yet though!)

 

[profitius]

I should have said "blunt attack" rather than blunt backs. Individually they're not bad. Irelands backline isn't great either but I think Ireland will have a more cohesive attack IMO although we've seen nothing of it yet.


England dominated Scotland so much that to score only 7pts in the second half was poor. Also they butchered chances against France while Ireland have butchered some chances they've been more clinical.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Hundreds of years of oppression arrghhh!!!

It's ok, it's legal for you to get married in several states in America now - progress!

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

I'm just fitting the uneducated farmer Mick stereotype.

Glad you went there for me - I wanted to go there but worried that old farmer Mick would puncture me with his pitchfork.

*Insert joke about potatoes here*
*Ideally, connect joke about the pitchfork to joke about potatoes*

I should have said "blunt attack" rather than blunt backs. Individually they're not bad. Irelands backline isn't great either but I think Ireland will have a more cohesive attack IMO although we've seen nothing of it yet.


England dominated Scotland so much that to score only 7pts in the second half was poor. Also they butchered chances against France while Ireland have butchered some chances they've been more clinical.

I won't deny that we left some points out there but...:
1) On his time on the pitch Youngs cocked up a ton of lineouts. I'm pretty convinced we would have scored more had he got the target, as we certainly had the position, and had been coming away with points after each first half visit to Scotlands territory.
2) You try and play underwater rugby at Murrayfield and we'll see what happens! Better teams than England have lost against Scotland in such conditions.

 

[McTallshort]

Yeah yeah blah blah the only reason Ireland have such a good home record is because they bore everyone one to death with thier 15 national anthems and silly pomp before the games.

 

[Patchey]

It's ok, it's legal for you to get married in several states in America now - progress!

I see what you did there...


Additionally, as I don't quite feel this thread has had enough arrogance from those of us in the white corner:

. England will win by 50 points, at least 15% of which will come from the boot of Danny Care

. Luther Burrell > BOD

. Owen Farrell is the new Dan Carter

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

It's ok, it's legal for you to get married in several states in America now - progress!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage_law_in_the_United_States_by_state

http://www.livescience.com/29099-states-where-gay-marriage-is-legal-infographic.html

A lot of them overlap! How much are flights to America these days.

Edit: The oppression continues lads...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human–animal_marriage

 

[Groundhog]

It's not like we're playing England anyway. After all Tuilagi is Samoan and he's their best player (even if he literally can't pass and just runs at things).

 

[big ginger 8]

I see what you did there...


Additionally, as I don't quite feel this thread has had enough arrogance from those of us in the white corner:

. England will win by 50 points, at least 15% of which will come from the boot of Danny Care

. Luther Burrell > BOD

. Owen Farrell is the new Dan Carter

Exactly it's not like anyone needed Stephen Jones to point out BO'D's an auxillary flanker, has been dropped from the Lions (while Burrell hasn't) and peaked in 2001.

It's not like we're playing England anyway. After all Tuilagi is Samoan and he's their best player (even if he literally can't pass and just runs at things).

It really is nice to see an invitational team for people who want to play the opposite style to the Baa-baa's.

 

[Crapspray]

I'd say Joe Launchbury is our best player.



...it helps me not bite the hook.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I'd say Joe Launchbury is our best player.



...it helps me not bite the hook.

I think you mean LaunchBERRY (where is that photoshopped image of him with a berry head?)

 

[TRF_Olyy]

It really is nice to see an invitational team for people who want to play the opposite style to the Baa-baa's.

Aye, the Irish Southern Hemisphere Barbarians are pretty boring compared to the regular baabaas

 

[big ginger 8]

Aye, the Irish Southern Hemisphere Barbarians are pretty boring compared to the regular baabaas

Wow, getting on stereotypes before they're even really started. Come back to me in a year.