2014 QBE Internationals [EOYT] England

[ratsapprentice]

Wigglesworth was already there.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Was Wigglesworth really added instead of Dickson?

I don't see an issue with Dickson being released back to his club(/not being called into Pennyhill).
Realistically whichever of them it was was only going to be used on the bench, and only for this game - Wiggy is a better passer and a better kicker than Dickson.

 

[goodNumber10]

No he wouldn't, he is an elusive runner and would have been going in the opposite direction to the way all the SA players were running.

A complete maybe, yet Serfontain actually goes for him then realises Farrell has set off.

He isn't going there because that is where his support is, he is drifting across rather than straightening up and is leaving Watson with less space. Watson had been running in the expectation of a kick because Farrell did nothing at all to hint that he was going to pass and from Watsons perspective it just looked like Farrell was going to keep running sideways and leave him no room at all. He switches back to prevent that and Farrell suddenly decides then that he will throw the pass at an awkward time. Everyone except you can see Farrell is to blame.

Are you watching that? How can he straighten when JP is on his shoulder? He's running away from the tackle, and trying to get to a position where he can either A: Create the 2vs 1 or B; make a kick that might actually hit touch. He can't kick as he's running full pelt.

Anyone who's ever tried to kick running at full pelt knows it's a fools errand and seldom ends well.

Watson has a full 5 to work in if he'd held his width he could have gone around Le Roux - The Attwood situation is the exact same space, yet this one is no good and that one was?

So the fact Farrell made another mistake is an argument in his defence? That's a new one.

The point is we're talking about two different things, and I've not claimed one is a defence, i've said they were different things.

It's only personal because you are the only one defending Farrell.

No it's personal because i won't agree with you.

Before the games you were one of the few arguing about retaining the 10, you were the one constantly saying we shouldn't bother giving game time to others.

No i didn't.

You finally settled on choosing the in form Flyhalf and then when a flyhalf has 2 shocking games you defend them so your position is that they are never out of form and therefore there is never the need to use someone else.

I've never at any point said Farrell was the in form flyhalf, i've repeatedly said Ford should start. Are we speaking different languages or something?

Farrell isn't in form, he is playing shocking rugby yet you keep coming on here making excuses. Let me ask you, just what does Farrell need to do for you to accept he isn't the form Flyhalf and to drop him in favour of someone else?

I haven't said he shouldn't' be dropped, i haven't said he is the form fly half.

Do you understand that? Because it really seems like you don't.

I have said he didn't play as badly as you guys are making out, that he is unfit and should not play against Samoa.

 

[Wendigo7]

FFS

Chris Jones from BBC states it's

Ford
Farrell
Burrell

In what world does that make sense? Sorry but that's a joke, if he's not dropped that's frankly a joke.

 

[goodNumber10]

FFS

Chris Jones from BBC states it's

Ford
Farrell
Burrell

In what world does that make sense? Sorry but that's a joke, if he's not dropped that's frankly a joke.

Ha! i nearly said earlier i reckon Farrell will move to 12.

The think ing as afr as i can tell would be: Rest Eastmond, trys out a midfield they've often talked about, and gives Farrell more game time but without the pressure of playing 10.

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

I don't get how Chris Jones could know that at this point? I doubt Lancaster knows yet..

 

[Wendigo7]

That's the 3 who have trained together in sessions so far.

Eastmond also is again an injury doubt.

 

[Wendigo7]

Ha! i nearly said earlier i reckon Farrell will move to 12.

The think ing as afr as i can tell would be: Rest Eastmond, trys out a midfield they've often talked about, and gives Farrell more game time but without the pressure of playing 10.

Yeah it's been coming.

If Farrell has a poor game again, Lancaster is going to have his hands full rightly or wrongly. It's at the stage with the media and EVEN with some sarries fans I know, just get him away from the limelight. He isn't a bad player but he's not right for England right now and the pressure and scepticism with this selection will put Lancaster under siege potentially if he fails miserably again.

We shouldn't have to give Farrell more game time.... frankly.

 

[TommiG88]

As a saints fan, I don't really rate Burrell. Good club player but nothing special on the international stage.

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

Burrell was on of our best backs in the six nations and I'm more than happy if he comes back in at 13.

If Eastmond is injured then 10. Ford 12. Barritt/Twelvetrees 13. Burrell would do more.

Farrell should not be starting.

 

[Wendigo7]

The most balanced backline in terms of core for me is:

10. Ford
12. Twelvetrees
13. Barritt

we will never see it sadly but I love the look of it.

 

[goodNumber10]

As a saints fan, I don't really rate Burrell. Good club player but nothing special on the international stage.

seriously?

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

seriously?

This. Burrell actually looked better for England than he ever did at saints!

 

[goodNumber10]

We shouldn't have to give Farrell more game time.... frankly.

Maybe, but the thinking is probably he needs to play.

He needs to rest to be frank, like i said earlier i wouldn't even stick him on the bench..

This. Burrell actually looked better for England than he ever did at saints!

Yup! probably because he's playing in a position he's better suited to.

He'd be my 1st choice 13.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

This. Burrell actually looked better for England than he ever did at saints!

A bit like Morgan in that regard.

 

[TommiG88]

seriously?

Feel he makes a lot of knock ons for a centre and tries too many offloads in the tackle. Kind of like twelvetrees, but I prefer Burrell to twelvetrees.

 

[ratsapprentice]

http://www.espn.co.uk/scrum/rugby/story/248191.html

Happy that the idea of the RFU buying clubs has been put out there... not a ****ing chance of it happening, but still...

 

[TheSaffycen]

How about
Ford-Burrell- Joseph ? Or has Joseph been sent back ?

 

[Every Time Ref]

Can anyone tell me how Burrell played for Saints? I'm happy with him at 13 in principle, but if he hasn't showed any form in his only game back we could have another F*****l on our hands ...

I'd also prefer to keep Eastmond in there, give the Ford-Eastmond axis which has torn many a defense apart a chance at international level. Of course I'm biased but I've been happy with Eastmond's contributions in noth games, by and large.

 

[Every Time Ref]

We shouldn't have to give Farrell more game time.... frankly.

Agreed. The international stage is not the place for a player to be trying to play himself into form, for his own sake and the team's