[2014 EOYT] Ireland vs South Africa

[TRF_heineken]

There are very little news from the bok camp at the moment. I hope that's a good thing, as it sounds like all the guys are in good shape.

I wonder if HM will give some of the new guys a go? I hope Redelinghuys gets the nod.

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

There are very little news from the bok camp at the moment. I hope that's a good thing, as it sounds like all the guys are in good shape.

I wonder if HM will give some of the new guys a go? I hope Redelinghuys gets the nod.

I'm hoping against expectation for Redelinghuys and Kriel to get the nod for a start. I know and appreciate Kriel has been playing openside and we won't drop Coetzee since he's been playing well there. As is I just can't see why we can't bring in Kriel or Carr into blindside; it's only a name and both have been in tremendous form. I've read an article suggestion at News24 to shift Vermeulen to blindside and bring Carr in at 8 but I'd be against moving guys about unecessarily if they are pushing for world's best in their prefered position. The rest can stay as is though I'd reconsider when the injured guys are back though some of them will have to work to get back in their replacements have done so well.

 

[TRF_heineken]

I'm hoping against expectation for Redelinghuys and Kriel to get the nod for a start. I know and appreciate Kriel has been playing openside and we won't drop Coetzee since he's been playing well there. As is I just can't see why we can't bring in Kriel or Carr into blindside; it's only a name and both have been in tremendous form. I've read an article suggestion at News24 to shift Vermeulen to blindside and bring Carr in at 8 but I'd be against moving guys about unecessarily if they are pushing for world's best in their prefered position. The rest can stay as is though I'd reconsider when the injured guys are back though some of them will have to work to get back in their replacements have done so well.

You have to read sport24's posts with a pinch of salt, and look at the writer of the article. Some journo's just love to write articles to stir, or to rile up the fans, Rob Houwing is one of them, and I hardly ever read what he has to say.

I don't expect any of the new guys to start, but it would be nice if they make it on the bench.

 

[Ruckyou]

Is Jarred Payne Irish now ??

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

Is Jarred Payne Irish now ??

He is qualified now, yes.

You have to read sport24's posts with a pinch of salt, and look at the writer of the article. Some journo's just love to write articles to stir, or to rile up the fans, Rob Houwing is one of them, and I hardly ever read what he has to say.

I don't expect any of the new guys to start, but it would be nice if they make it on the bench.

I like Houwing though about 50% of the time. I can understand how you'd not though; he tends to be both pro-WP and anti-Bulls.

 

[TRF_heineken]

He is qualified now, yes.



I like Houwing though about 50% of the time. I can understand how you'd not though; he tends to be both pro-WP and anti-Bulls.

I don't read his articles, because to me he is just a lazy journalist. You can see it in his work, and sometime he writes an article just for the sake of having an article on the site every day. I guess he gets paid per article. Most journo's are biased, and I can see past that mostly, but Rob should make some more efforts. I know Sport24 and Supersport are affiliates of one another, but sometimes Rob just goes and ctrl-c, ctrl-v the articles on Supersport. Why doesn't he just write one, and post them both at the same time on both sites??

But let's leave it at that, I don't want to go off topic, as I'm really looking forward to this EOYT to start.

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

I hear you. I can't wait either. The results have been close of late and while Ireland have a great coach now and are on some form I feel their injuries will hurt them much more than ours will do us and though I expect a close game I just can't help feeling it'll be les close than the last couple of games unless it's a mudbath. I am just that confident in our new halfback pairing and mindset. Still feeling Ireland is our biggest concern this tour though!

that confidence makes a few assumptions though; Pollard makes his kicks at least 75% at goal, Le Roux doesn't have a howler and we have the edge at scrum (which I am not so confident about with our setup as is or rather I feel we could so easily be so much better there).

 

[big ginger 8]

Agree regards POM yet to make double figures in tackles but in those games he's been 1 of our best players by miles and while I huge fan of Ruddock I can't remember him reaching double figures tackles in much big games and carrying more dynamic than POM. Just don't see what he will bring that is so stand out.
If you look at his stats vs Wasps, Castres Munster and Connacht. The stats aren't impressive and he actually has worst metres per carry than POM. Yes he makes more tackles but defensively Ireland aren't in trouble. And as I said I'm fan ofRuddock but its it of myth he's much bigger carrier than POM.

You really can't remember carries like these from Ruddock?

http://youtu.be/PUekwnEIw5c
http://youtu.be/hYJ8W5SjSPo?t=2m11s
http://youtu.be/lTHFeDkfhYU?t=1h11m52s
(at 1:52, 3:02, 4:30) http://youtu.be/5IFbhkRpJd0

Sure O'Mahony might make more metres but that's because of where he's carrying, out wide. Without guys like Ruddock carrying in tight creating go forward quick ball there won't be that space. PO'M can do a lot of things but I don't think he can do it on a regular basis. As Peat says its for the balance of the backrow and the pack, I'm not necessarily suggesting Ruddock is the better player and I'll leave it at that.

Sorry I have very little knowledge of the North, why is Ireland playing a mostly second string team? Is it injuries?

If this is the case it's incredibly frustrating, it seems like we never get any decent clashes with the north, it's always quite a bit less than a full strength side for one reason or another. Was looking forward to this match especially considering Ireland were six nations winners.

As others have said yeah it's injuries. However as I said in the first post that's a worst case scenario team. There's about 4 first choice possible who could come into that team.

And yeah it's definitely disappointing, you guys are up there with NZ as the standard bearers and we needed to lay a marker down against you. Not we can't still but if some of those guys are out it becomes infintely more difficult. Then if there's one coach who's system is more important than his players it's Schmidt.

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

Such BS articles we have to read. This gem's headline: [h=1]'Ruan's fitness crucial for Boks'[/h]
I won't even be reading and will be assuming the article goes somewhere along the lines of; if Pienaar is fit and selected to start we're ****ed; 2/4 in November. I hope like hell HM sticks with Hougaard and Reinach in the absence of FdP.

http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/Ruans-fitness-crucial-for-Boks-20141103

 

[munstermuffin]

You really can't remember carries like these from Ruddock?

http://youtu.be/PUekwnEIw5c
http://youtu.be/hYJ8W5SjSPo?t=2m11s
http://youtu.be/lTHFeDkfhYU?t=1h11m52s
(at 1:52, 3:02, 4:30) http://youtu.be/5IFbhkRpJd0

Sure O'Mahony might make more metres but that's because of where he's carrying, out wide. Without guys like Ruddock carrying in tight creating go forward quick ball there won't be that space. PO'M can do a lot of things but I don't think he can do it on a regular basis. As Peat says its for the balance of the backrow and the pack, I'm not necessarily suggesting Ruddock is the better player and I'll leave it at that.

Your misunderstanding me. I'm not saying your suggesting that and yes I accept POM carries in different areas as it's the role he's asked but my point is if POM had to carry in a similar area to Ruddock I'd be sure he'd do a similar job on regular basis as he has done carrying in the tight areas for Munster a good bit in the past against strong opposition.
And I can show YouTube clips too of POM but those clips don't say much either for or against. As I think some were against poor opposition but more so there's not one thing there that POM hasn't shown he can do either. And I think POM has been 1 of best backrowers consistently for Ireland over last 18months as well as showing exceptionally well for Munster since return from injury so can't understand why he'd even be at risk of loosing jersey. And regards balance - isn't Heaslip's main role to carry so that sort of loosens Ruddocks role in terms of balance. Again I'm not saying Ruddock is poor but ye paint it as if POM can't carry in close at all when he's proven he can and well I don't think all his meteres are made out wide as it's rare Munster go out wide so again I think it's just a myth this Ruddock is much better carrier. He still has alot to learn as Castres game showed in a big way.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Your misunderstanding me. I'm not saying your suggesting that and yes I accept POM carries in different areas as it's the role he's asked but my point is if POM had to carry in a similar area to Ruddock I'd be sure he'd do a similar job on regular basis as he has done carrying in the tight areas for Munster a good bit in the past against strong opposition.
And I can show YouTube clips too of POM but those clips don't say much either for or against. As I think some were against poor opposition but more so there's not one thing there that POM hasn't shown he can do either. And I think POM has been 1 of best backrowers consistently for Ireland over last 18months as well as showing exceptionally well for Munster since return from injury so can't understand why he'd even be at risk of loosing jersey. And regards balance - isn't Heaslip's main role to carry so that sort of loosens Ruddocks role in terms of balance. Again I'm not saying Ruddock is poor but ye paint it as if POM can't carry in close at all when he's proven he can and well I don't think all his meteres are made out wide as it's rare Munster go out wide so again I think it's just a myth this Ruddock is much better carrier. He still has alot to learn as Castres game showed in a big way.

They're completely different types of carriers, Ruddock is far more destructive than PO'M and will make it over the gainline by going through people whereas PO'M uses his feet to get similar results. Ruddock is better for go forward ball than PO'M and more effective defensively but that's about as far as it gets in terms of where he's a better player. I wan't to see PO'M start with Ruddock to come on at 55-60 minutes. If he wasn't such a liability for penalties I'd have Dom Ryan at 7 with O'Mahoney and Heaslip.

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_9547900,00.html

So Pienaar more than likely out for Ireland. Hate that the layer is injured but for SA moving forward I am glad we are likely going to see Hougaard retain the #9 jersey. Behind reinach, who to call up though? Groom for me at this stage while I have a lot of time for Francois de Klerk at the Pumas (Lions in SR) looking at injuries and I am unwilling to pick someone at random from our European stock; It usually feels that they are not up for the pace at which we want to play away from Super rugby. Surely not Rudy Paige?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

They should call up Kockott for a token cap.
Despite being in the France training camp I reckon he'd jump at the chance.

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

They should call up Kockott for a token cap.
Despite being in the France training camp I reckon he'd jump at the chance.

LOL, you think he would? I'm not so sure, he is likely to spot the ruse I'd imagine. It's a pity for him that he is a South African who moved to France. Two countries with depth at 9 and better options than himself going forward. With FdP and (as my 4th choice) Pienaar both out it might not be a bad call though.

 

[lynam1104]

Looks like both Johnny and Mike trained today. Positive enough signs but I'm still worried.

 

[Big Ewis]

LOL, you think he would? I'm not so sure, he is likely to spot the ruse I'd imagine. It's a pity for him that he is a South African who moved to France. Two countries with depth at 9 and better options than himself going forward. With FdP and (as my 4th choice) Pienaar both out it might not be a bad call though.

heh, it's a pity for South Africa he moved to France, yes ! If they knew back home what he'd develop into, they wouldn't have let him leave so fast, that you know it. Too late now though, much much too late. You'll have a 33yo FdP for the WC and a 31yo Ruan whose last name finds its origin in the french slang word "pinard" (mediocre wine), not that there's a problem with that...
Kockott is a clever crafty little gremlin with a certain culture for excellence who just wants to get places, and he'll do it whichever way it presents itself.

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

heh, it's a pity for South Africa he moved to France, yes ! If they knew back home what he'd develop into, they wouldn't have let him leave so fast, that you know it. Too late now though, much much too late. You'll have a 33yo FdP for the WC and a 31yo Ruan whose last name finds its origin in the french slang word "pinard" (mediocre wine), not that there's a problem with that...
Kockott is a clever crafty little gremlin with a certain culture for excellence who just wants to get places, and he'll do it whichever way it presents itself.

That's precisely the reason he was maligned in SA; too entitled and full of himself. I would prefer a 33y/o FdP above anyone if he can be 60% of what he was 5 years ago TBH. We'll have to see. In any case I think it's Hougaard and Reinach who'll be in the matchday 23 for SA at next year's showpiece. We don't need a 'general'-type 9 with Pollard at 10. Hougaard and Reinach are both sniping 9's who'll take on the line every now and again as both are 9 cum wingers.

 

[Groundhog]

Looks like both Johnny and Mike trained today. Positive enough signs but I'm still worried.

I like our chances if those two are fit to be honest.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

It means we have a better half back pairing anyway, arguably the only combination on the pitch that we do.

 

[lynam1104]

I like our chances if those two are fit to be honest.

Absolutely, them training doesn't necessarily mean they will play though.