2014 6 Nations: Italy vs England (Round 5)

[ratsapprentice]

If Germany managed to control the set piece and attack of the All Blacks they could beat them.

 

[goodNumber10]

I was bringing forth the fact that they've struggled with fast and fluid opposing attacks.

Which has been proven wrong by the stats... and this is the point, you're basing your argument on an observation and have nothing to back it up, yet are belitteling other people (me) by saying they can't have been paying attention because they don't' agree with you. My observation, and rageranchers, is backed up with results and stats, your observation is purely anecdotale.

All that personal rubbish aside, you don't think England are fluid, you may think that Italy struggle to contain Australia more than England again, both of which is of course fine.

But results and stats prove that is not the case, and England have been more successful than Australia against Italy both in winning margins and trys scored.

At the end of the day, most people think Italy could be on for a spanking tomorrow, not just users but the press (and not the English press, the SA and Australian press as well), rugby365 have them down for a +20 point win.

hopefulyl it'll just turn out to eb a great game, besides england are going to have to win by at least 100 points after Ireland thump France by 50

 

[Tony Manx]

Not getting into this one other than to say "Statistics Damn Statistics" can depend upon who is interpreting what they mean........................!!

Always best way to win arguments with BE is to give up!!

 

[Maverick1987]

After beating the current champions and the probable champions in the last 2 games I doubt England need hold too many fears about Italy . They are a decent team of course no one should take them for granted but eventually we should break them down even if they have a fantastic first half

 

[goodNumber10]

Not getting into this one other than to say "Statistics Damn Statistics" can depend upon who is interpreting what they mean........................!!

Always best way to win arguments with BE is to give up!!

I agree, but two stats you can't argue with are scorelines and numebr of trys scored.

 

[Tony Manx]

In investment terms there is always the warning that past performance is no indication of future performance!!!

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

In investment terms there is always the warning that past performance is no indication of future performance!!!

In which case England's current performance is actually better than their past performance whilst Italy's is worse. Essentially it boils down to everything the exact opposite of what you expect could potentially happen allowing Italy to win. Based on stats and observation, Italy are going to have a rough ride. Last year and the year before England were shocking and Italy really upped their game yet they still weren't able to win.

 

[Big Ewis]

Which has been proven wrong by the stats... and this is the point, you're basing your argument on an observation and have nothing to back it up, yet are belitteling other people (me) by saying they can't have been paying attention because they don't' agree with you. My observation, and rageranchers, is backed up with results and stats, your observation is purely anecdotale.

All that personal rubbish aside, you don't think England are fluid, you may think that Italy struggle to contain Australia more than England again, both of which is of course fine.

But results and stats prove that is not the case, and England have been more successful than Australia against Italy both in winning margins and trys scored.

At the end of the day, most people think Italy could be on for a spanking tomorrow, not just users but the press (and not the English press, the SA and Australian press as well), rugby365 have them down for a +20 point win.

hopefulyl it'll just turn out to eb a great game, besides england are going to have to win by at least 100 points after Ireland thump France by 50

You've got to be kidding me.............................
I've been talking about Italy of 2013-2014 this whole time. WHY ???????????????? WHY WON'T YOU UNDERSTAND ??? WHHYYYYY WHY WHY??? !!!!?? :cryy: :cryy:
I'm talking about Italy vs England tomorrow. I don't give a shhit that England scored more tries than Australia over Italy historically :lol: why the fk would you and others think that's relevant - to this thread, or to what I'm saying ?? Why ??!!!! :lol: it's just so weird...

The evidence I've already given: Italy have suffered a huge loss to an Aussie team in Nov., and allowed 31 pts from a 12-man Fijian side. In this tournament, Ireland had Italy confused on defense and dizzied with their passing and stepping at times. If you watch Italy play, you'll notice they have a hard time with the finer details of an attack rather than the more force-oriented aspect.

I've repeated that about 5 times now, but it's cool. It's cool...
You guys have made me repeat my point so many times it now seems like I'm really really clinging onto it and think for sure Italy will resist England's forwards, and England won't have any quick-precision attack. Which I don't, those things may not happen at all, England might click on attack and put 5 tries past Italy, ionno...I was just making a point as a possible scenario for Italy.

This thread has been a fkn disaster so far, and no it's not because of me. Read the whole thing again, it's pretty bad I assure you

Anyways...since it's happening so soon. England by 10-15.

 

[ScrummyRugby]

England to win but not with 50 points, check out our full prediction for this and tomorrows other games (please)... http://scrummyrugbyviews.blogspot.co.uk/

 

[Big Ewis]

well speaking of previews, Planet Rugby says the following: http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_9212249,00.html

 

[kesh]

Got to sort of agree with ewis here, if England had lost to Wales and went to Italy with nothing to play for, then Italy might of got there first win over England. England fell asleep last time we played Italy at HQ and Italy got robbed. If we weren't playing for a GS then i honestly think they'd of had a few more decisions go there way and would've at least got a draw.

Now i can't see Italy winning. Parisse is back isn't he? A bit of inspiration and impetus for them but im still expecting England to win out in the end by 12. Gonna have to relay on the Frogs to make a statement of intent.

 

[St George]

I agree with Big E. that this thread has gone off the rails somewhat, but it's not a disaster, it's what forums are all about. People expressing opinions is why we come on here, either to express our own (primarily) and to hear others and contradict those we disagree with. It makes a forum. If we all agreed, what a borefest it would be.

Now what we have is a Frenchman saying that there is a possibility an England team can lose, if......
And then you have Englishmen finding it absurd that any scenario which doesnt have an England victory by a big score is being put forward.

Now i'm not even going to try and tell Big E. how to approach this situation as it's quite clear he has had it with any English comments and has gone into victim defence mode.
But it amazes me that the English posters are still being baited like this. C'mon guys wise up....surely you realise by now that most so called neutral nations will want England to lose every game. You only have to look at the banned BBC 6N advert which has all other nations wishing England would lose to see the mindset. It's the nature of the beast due to misconceptions of colonialism, arrogance and superiority etc. And it's not just in the sporting arena. I've lost count of the number of people here in Thailand that i have to correct when they slag off England for something the Brits did or are doing, it's par for the course being English and makes any victories we have even more sweeter as i know it ****es others off.

Now based on this year, 2014 as Big E. insists he is alluding to, then i predict a win by 20+ should not be out of the question from what i have witnessed so far.

 

[goodNumber10]

You've got to be kidding me.............................
I've been talking about Italy of 2013-2014 this whole time. WHY ???????????????? WHY WON'T YOU UNDERSTAND ??? WHHYYYYY WHY WHY??? !!!!?? :cryy: :cryy:
I'm talking about Italy vs England tomorrow. I don't give a shhit that England scored more tries than Australia over Italy historically :lol: why the fk would you and others think that's relevant - to this thread, or to what I'm saying ?? Why ??!!!! :lol: it's just so weird...

because you were referencing Italys improvement, that was the basis of your whole point, and to measure improvement /progress you must look at previous performance, which makes everything everyone has posted extremely relevant and your constant moving of the goal posts completely redundant.:lol:

Anyway, today's the day, you'll inevitably prove us all wrong anyway.

Enjoy the games today mate, have a good weekend.

 

[gaston le gaff]

Lovely couple of words from the BBC SPORT NEWS PUNDIT Dan something or other, if England were to put 70/80 pts on Italy they could well be in with a chance if France beat Ireland........
How bloody Arroganrt n'est pas? me thinks. they may well win but Italy are no longer the whipping boys of Europe? and respect should be given to them at all times, this is not foot a ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mumbles119]

Lovely couple of words from the BBC SPORT NEWS PUNDIT Dan something or other, if England were to put 70/80 pts on Italy they could well be in with a chance if France beat Ireland........
How bloody Arroganrt n'est pas? me thinks. they may well win but Italy are no longer the whipping boys of Europe? and respect should be given to them at all times, this is not foot a ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Agreed. Je suis tres desole pour les arrogant Anglais. (Sorry about my poor french) The pundits have been embarrassing and cringeworthy, and also lacking in knowledge which is worse!

Italy are certainly the underdogs against a confident and strong England side. But 60/70 points? No...

Italy have had a few poor performances over the last two years, but are just as likely (and have done) to show good performances. With the likes of Parisse leading with heart and courage in front of an adoring home crowd, this will not be a walkover.

Italy were great to watch against Wales and showed some strong rugby against Scotland too. They will bring it to England. I think the England team, coaches and management know this and are keeping their expectations realistic. To focus on the win.

It is the lack of care, thought and understanding from the media that creates a poor impression.

 

[Tony Manx]

Reality is that, if both sides were to play to their full potential, a win is a certainty for the English and the necessary points a real possibility but this is rugby and there are so many imponderables to base one's forecast on.

I have to go with the teams playing to the best of their ability, there being more than just pride for the English to play for and, therefore, my prediction has to be that England will win and will get close to, and maybe reach, the necessary points difference but will they? Who knows and mine is only one unqualified opinion so do not shout at me!!

 

[TheSaffycen]

There is no real chance of the 50+ points win. Pundits really talk alot of **** when it comes to England and it makes no sense. I honestly don't think that we are capable of putting 60 on the board just yet. In a couple years time when Farrell 36 and tuilagi all hit their prime than you start talking about class players. If we were really going for points we would have got Watson and Eastmond in but its clear that Lancaster feels we should go for the win and just play the gameplan instead of expansive rugby. Now I have said that we probably win 60-0 with Nowell and may scoring for fun

 

[TRF_Olyy]

It's arrogant to state the fact that we'd have to win by like 80 to win on points difference?

Some people have a real stick up their arse when it comes to anything England.

 

[Big Ewis]

because you were referencing Italys improvement, that was the basis of your whole point, and to measure improvement /progress you must look at previous performance, which makes everything everyone has posted extremely relevant and your constant moving of the goal posts completely redundant.:lol:

Anyway, today's the day, you'll inevitably prove us all wrong anyway.

Enjoy the games today mate, have a good weekend.

Do you happen to wear glasses generally, and remove them when reading Big Ewis comments on purpose ? Or happen to be called Speedy Gonzales, but a drafty one ? Do you enjoy, as a game, replying to me in a semblance of relevance but just a tad astray ?? If the answer to all those questions is 'yes', then call 1-800...nah kidding.

Dude, clearly I was referring to Italy's improvement from June-Nov. 2013 to 2014. And if you've actually watched them play from then til now, you'd see the difference. It's limpid. But I'm quite sure you just looked at results only, reading your comments...

Anyways, England to win almost certainly. Italy might struggle with Brown and May. I feel Burrell and 36, with Tuilagi at the end might be too much power at midfield. And then they've got to successfully contain those forwards...
But they've shown some solid Rugby this year in stretches. Let's see how they handle England.

Again, England by 10-15.

Some people have a real stick up their arse when it comes to anything England.

well it's only fitting, then.

 

[UlsterRugby2012]

The music is really just ruining the intro into this weekend!