2013 European Nations Cup / Six Nations B

[nickdnz]

Every country has had a fight like this, and to be honest, a brainless scrap up like that where most are missing punches, aren't as bad as cynical deliberate and thought out attempts to injure players like what happened to BOD in 2005.

Mhmm. Such was New Zealand's fear of O'Driscoll - with his mighty record against NZ, that it was a planned and deliberate attempt on his life.

Or it was reckless/careless incident which unfortunately missed out punishment - but otherwise was an over blown, unfortunate incident which is held to a different standard than every other spare tackle, to make up for the 2005 Lions ineptitude.

I'd say the punches are far worse than the spare tackle. Just because they were unaccurate, doesn't mean that there wasn't a hell of a lot of intent. I'd say a punch, eye gouge or stomp on the ground - where a player can't defend themselves is worse - however a spare tackle can be caused by getting over zelous and careless. The only thing seperating Sam Warburton's spare tackle and Umaga/Mealamu's, is that Warburton was punished by the referee. Short of Umaga and Mealamu asking to be red carded - I don't know why that incident is always brought up - 8 years later no doubt.

 

[psychic duck]

Mhmm. Such was New Zealand's fear of O'Driscoll - with his mighty record against NZ, that it was a planned and deliberate attempt on his life.

Or it was reckless/careless incident which unfortunately missed out punishment - but otherwise was an over blown, unfortunate incident which is held to a different standard than every other spare tackle, to make up for the 2005 Lions ineptitude.

I'd say the punches are far worse than the spare tackle. Just because they were unaccurate, doesn't mean that there wasn't a hell of a lot of intent. I'd say a punch, eye gouge or stomp on the ground - where a player can't defend themselves is worse - however a spare tackle can be caused by getting over zelous and careless. The only thing seperating Sam Warburton's spare tackle and Umaga/Mealamu's, is that Warburton was punished by the referee. Short of Umaga and Mealamu asking to be red carded - I don't know why that incident is always brought up - 8 years later no doubt.

Sorry bad example. Perhaps this would be a better one. Calculated eye gouging to injure a player is worse than just some uncoordinated forward taking a swing during a heated match.

Or punching/kicking a player when their on the ground or defenceless or from behind like Duncan McRae did to ROG.

 

[Dizzy]

Well defused Nick! +Rep

 

[Toko_11]

Looking at the comments of the Youtube videos of the fight, it seems that almost all Georgian fans approve the fight and they are proud of it.

Also, since the Georgians seem to start a fight (although usually not on this scale) in almost every match, does this mean the referee is always against them? I guess the organized booing at the Georgian home games directed at the opposition is also somehow connected to the referee and not rudeness?

I am curious: how common are fights between players in the Georgian rugby championship?

If you trust the YouTube trolls yah sure.. but on Georgian rugby forums nobody approved the fight. In Georgian championship fights are also pretty common unfortunately . booing was borrowed from football of course because Georgia is still pretty much a football community... also i don't know whats so shocking...when you have short tempered players like Gorgodze, Kolelishvili, Kubriashvili, and Chkhaidze of all people as a captain.. who do you expect to stop the fight Todua ?? or kvirikashvili ?

 

[Croket66]

Portugal-Romania


Line ups for this week :

Georgia - Portugal
Georgia : 1.Mikheil Nariashvili (Montpellier HRC) - 2.Shalva Mamukashvili (Army Tbilissi) - 3.Davit Zirakashvili (ASM Clermont) ; 4.Giorgi Chkhaidze (Tarbes PR) - 5.Kote Miktautadze (RC Toulon) ; Shalva Sutiashvili (RC Massy) - 7.Mamuka Gorgodze (Montpellier HRC) - 8.Dimitri Basilaia (Edinburgh Rugby) ; 9.Giorgi Begadze (Batumi XV) - 10.Merab Kvirikashvili (AS St Junien) ; 11.Irakli Machkhaneli (capt, Armazi) - 12.Merab Sharikadze (Hartpury College RFC) - 13.Tedo Zibzibadze (CA Périgueux) - 14.Tamaz Mchedlidze (Stade Montois) ; 15.Lasha Khmaladze (Lelo Tbilissi)
16.Rezo Belkania (Lelo Tbilissi), 17.Davit Khinchagishvili (CA Brive), 18.Irakli Mirtskhulava (Tarbes PR), 19.Vakhtang Maisuradze (SC Albi), 20.Beka Bitsadze (Army Tbilissi), 21.Vazha Khutsishvili (Rustavi), 22.Davit Kacharava (Stade Rodez), 23.Irakli Kiasashvili (Lelo Tbilissi)

Portugal : 1.Anthony Alves (RC Châlon) - 2.Joao Correia (GD Direito) - 3.Juan Murré (AS Dijon) ; 4.David Dos Reis (RC Châteaurenard) - 5.Gonçalo Uva (RC Narbonne) ; 6.Vaso Uva (GD Direito) - 7.Julien Bardy (ASM Clermont) - 8.Juan Severino (SO Chambery) ; 9.Francisco Magalhaes (CDUL) - 10.Pedro Leal (GD Direito) ; 11.Gonzalo Foro (CDUL) - 12.Carl Murray (CDUL) - 13.Frederico Oliveira (CDUL) - 14.Adeirito Esteves (GD Direito) ; 15.Nuno Penha E Costa (CDUL)
16.Miguel Vilaça (CDUL), 17.Jorje Segurado (GD Direito), 18.Tony Martins (CA Périgueux), 19.Tiago Girao (CDUL), 20.Laurent Balangue (St Jean de Luz), 21.Rafael Simoes (Os Belenenses), 22.Francisco Appleton (CDUL), 23.José Lima (RC Narbonne)

Belgium-Spain
Belgium : 1.Julien Massimi (Saint-Etienne), 2.Raphaël Olive (Périgueux), 3.Alain Miriallakis, 4.Mathieu Verschelden (Saint-Etienne), 5.Charlie Fourneau (Harlequins Melbourne), 6.Andrew Neill (Tournefeuille), 7.Julien Morelli (Bastia), 8.Thomas De Molder (Lyon), 9.Julien Berger (La Rochelle), 10.Carlos Fierro (Nice), 11.Thibaut André (Soignies), 12.Guillaume Piron (Montpellier), 13.Guillaume Brebant (Boitsfort), 14.Eliott Van Trappen (Boitsfort), 15.Alan Williams (Montluçon)
16.Sep Debacker (Boitsfort), 17.Norman Wende (La Voulte), 18.Alexis Cuffolo (Carcassonne), 19.Cyril Nana (Anderlecht), 20.Corentin Lecloux (Boitsfort), 21.Mika De Molder (Boitsfort), 22.Sébastien Guns (Boitsfort), 23.Kevin Dams (Boitsfort)

Spain : 1.Joe Hutchinson (Bourg-en-Bresse) - 2.Juan Anaya (Atletico Madrid) - 3.Jesus Moreno (USA Limoges) ; 4.Matt Cook (CR La Vila) - 5.Jesus Recuerda (Lille MR) ; 6.Juan Tudela (Ordizia RE) - 7.Jon Magunazelaia (capt, Gernika RT) - 8.Lionel Pardo (AS Béziers) ; 9.Santi Fernandez (Alcobendas Rugby) - 10.Jaime Nava (Bourg-en-Bresse) ; 11.Javier Carrion (CR La Vila) - 12.Corey Smith (Ciencias Sevilla) - 13.Jaike Carter (Cetransa El Salvador) - 14.Matias Tudela (Tatami RC) - 15.Cesar Sempere (Cetransa El Salvador)
16.Dani Marron (Cetransa El Salvador), 17.Mikel Mungia (Biarritz Olympique), 18.Davit Gurgenadze (Army Tbilissi), 19.Francisco Usero (Universidade Vigo), 20.Oier Garmendia (Hernani CRE), 21.Gregory Maiquez (Bourg-en-Bresse), 22.Gauthier Minguillon (Union Bordeaux-Bègles), 23.Anibal Bonan (Stade Bagnérais)

Romania-Russia
Romania : 1.Mihaita Lazar (Castres Olympique) - 2.Andrei Radoi (Baia Mare) - 3.Paulica Ion (London Welsh) ; 4.Cornel Tatu (Steaua Bucuresti) - 5.Marius Sirbe (Tarbes PR); 6.Ovidiu Tonita (US Carcassonne) - 7.Mihai Macovei (capt, Sporting Nazairien) - 8.Daniel Carpo (RCM Timisoara) ; 9.Ciprian Caplescu (Dinamo Bucuresti) - 10.Dorin Manole (US Orthez) ; 11.Mihai Rocsa (Baia Mare) - 12.Florin Vlaicu (Steaua Bucuresti) - 13.Robert Dascalu (Steaua Bucuresti) - 14.Adrian Apostol (Farul Constanta) ; 15.Catalin Fercu (RCM Timisoara)
16.Eugen Capatana (RCM Timisoara), 17.Horatiu Pungea (RCM Timisoara), 18.Petru Tamba (Cardiff Blues), 19.Alin Coste (Bourg-en-Bresse), 20.Viorel Lucaci (Steaua Bucuresti), 21.Florin Surugiu (CSM Bucuresti), 22.Csaba Gal (Baia Mare), 23.Ionut Niacsu (Baia Mare)

Russia : 1.Grigory Tsnobiladze (Kransy Yar) - 2.Valery Tsnobiladze (Enisey-STM) - 3.Evgeny Pronenko (Enisey-STM) ; 4.Alexander Voytov (capt, VVA-Podmoskovye) - 5.Kirill Kulemin (London Welsh) ; 6.Andrey Temnov (Enisey-STM) - 7.Artem Fatakhov (AgroUniversity Kazan) - 8.Viktor Gresev (Krasny Yar) ; 9.Alexander Yanyushkin (VVA-Podmoskovye) - 10.Sergey Yanyushkin (AgroUniversity Kazan) ; 11.Mikhail Babaev (VVA-Podmoskovye) - 12.Alexey Makovetsky (Krasny Yar) - 13.Dimitry Gerasimov (Enisey-STM) - 14.Vasily Artemyev (Northampton Saints) ; 15.Igor Klyuchnikov (VVA-Podmoskovye)
16.Alexey Volkov (VVA-Podmoskovye), 17.Andrey Polivalov (AgroUniversity Kazan), 18.Innokenty Zykov (Enisey-STM) ; 19.Andrey Garbuzov (Krasny Yar), 20.Pavel Butenko (Enisey-STM), 21.Alexey Shcherban (Enisey-STM), 22.Sergey Sugrobov (Slava-CSP), 23.Sergey Trishin (VVA-Podmoskovye)

 

[Croket66]

Russia-Spain

 

[Croket66]

Belgium-Georgia

 

[DavidLg]

Belgium-Spain will be broadcasted live on this site: http://www.e-k.tv/videos/299-belgian-rugby-belge/1505-le-rugby-belge-le-succes-du-collectif

 

[Nielsch]

I hope Belgium can emulate their good performance of last week.

 

[Toko_11]

Woah 2 minutes since Geo vs Por started and georgia have been amazing a 180 degree turn from last game khmaladze finishes a 2 minute non stop back play attack... haven't seen something like this ever in georgia game tbh wow 3min

Geo 7-0 Por 3'

portugal answer with fk
Geo 7 - 3 Por 8'


7-3 at Half time but the game is very fast dynamic and nice to watch with backs playing and everything... mistakes are still common unfortunately


Geo 7 - 6 Por 55'

Geo 10 - 6 Por 64'

Geo 10 - 9 Por 65'

Geo 15 - 9 Por 70'

Geo 18 - 12 Por 76'

Geo 25 - 12 Por 83'

What a game..it was so fast even I'm exhausted... don't see many like this in Enc

Romania vs Russia is now live

This seems more like an old style ENC game so far. slow and based solely on strength :\ i couldn't find working link for Spain vs Belgium


Romania 3 - 0 Russia 5'

Rom 3 - 3 Rus this game kinda hard to watch after Georgia vs Portugal but its still very interesting because 2 of the World cup competitors are facing off..

Romania 3 - 8 Bears scored a pretty good try

Romania 6 - 8 Russia

I might fall asleep before this is over

Romania 6 - 11 Russia HT

 

[white bear]

I am not seeing Georgia-Portugal, but see Romania-Russia and not sleep, Georgians tipical Georgians))) Everywhere even in sport anti-Russian.

 

[Nielsch]

Belgium - Spain about to start. This is - I believe - a legal link: http://www.e-k.tv/videos/299-belgian-rugby-belge/1843-live-belgium-vs-spain

 

[Nielsch]

'2 penalty Belgium 3-0

 

[Nielsch]

'3 try Spain 3-5

 

[Tony Manx]

Belgium - Spain about to start. This is - I believe - a legal link: http://www.e-k.tv/videos/299-belgian-rugby-belge/1843-live-belgium-vs-spain

There were about 80/90 guys (late teens) playing touch rugby on the beach near Biarritz yesterday wearing tracksuits with "Belgium Rugby" on the back.....any ideas who they were or what they were doing here? Hardly warm weather training as it was .......dwn and windy as hell!!

 

[Nielsch]

'11 penalty Belgium 6-5

 

[Nielsch]

There were about 80/90 guys (late teens) playing touch rugby on the beach near Biarritz yesterday wearing tracksuits with "Belgium Rugby" on the back.....any ideas who they were or what they were doing here? Hardly warm weather training as it was .......dwn and windy as hell!!

I have no idea to be honest

 

[Toko_11]

I am not seeing Georgia-Portugal, but see Romania-Russia and not sleep, Georgians tipical Georgians))) Everywhere even in sport anti-Russian.

where did u notice me being anti Russian ? :huh:


Edit: is the ball dipped in oil or are Romanians really this terrible in handling


Edit: Try for belgium.. ENC is about to get interesting


Edit: Romania score last minute try and win 29:14

Edit: Belgium score another try towards the end 18-8 they don't show time but not much left

 

[Nielsch]

Round 2 results:

Georgia - Portugal 25-12
Romania - Russia 29-14
Belgium - Spain 21-21

2013 European Nations Cup standings after round 2 (of 5)

1. Romania 8 points
2. Georgia 8 points
3. Russia 4 points
4. Belgium 3 points
5. Spain 3 points
6. Portugal 1 point

Rugby World Cup qualifying / relegation standings after round 2 (of 10)

1. Romania 8 points
2. Georgia 8 points
3. Russia 4 points
4. Belgium 3 points
5. Spain 3 points
6. Portugal 1 point

 

[LittleGuy]

Belgium are the best team by far to come up in a while all 6 teams are now competetive, almost makes me sad that one of these teams are going to get relegated in two years and the side that comes up will probably be much weaker.

Portugal are in rough shape now on the table while Romania and Georgia are padding that early lead, a couple of more wins and they could be on cruise control to the Europe 1 and 2 spots. I wonder whether Spain will recall some of those loosely connected players now that their form from last season has gone down significantly.