2013/2014 Heineken Cup Draw

[psychic duck]

They still won and that's what happens at the Sportsground trust they'll up upset someone's plans.

Why on earth would I know but they did have three notable runs at least in the Amlin reaching the semis.

Reaching the semis of the Amlin isn't notable, especially considering they didn't do it when H Cup sides were involved.

I give them credit for improvement on past years, but they are still underdogs against nearly every side in the competition bar the obvious ones. They can pull off an upset, but it's an upset not the norm. Being in the tier 3 ahead of Racing and inthe same group as Zebre, especially when they couldn't qualify off their own back, is ridiculous.

 

[Peat]

Scarlets were never going to do anything anyway. They will just be looking on improving on a whitewash!

*looks at group* Yeah, good luck with that one.

 

[Tony Manx]

Cannot find full draw in pools so set it out from the ERC for the H Cup.....If this has already been done, please let me know and I shall delete!! By the way, from some one with little personal club interest....Pool 4 looks like the pool of death!!

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[/TD]
[TD="class: field_TeamDisplay, bgcolor: #EFEFEF"]Racing Métro 92[/TD]
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[TD="class: stage, colspan: 17"]Pool 5[/TD]
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[/TD]
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[/TD]
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[j'nuh]

Talking of Connacht, how they have managed to get in the 3rd tier is beyond me. It certainly isn't to do with any notable cup runs at either Amlin or H Cup level. They haven't even ever qualified off their own back. They are a bottom tier side, and it's a joke that two bottom tier sides have got in the same pool again meaning that Connacht can pick up easy points winning over Zebre.

There's a very, very crude way of assigning points in the Club Rankings which adds up the points that have been accrued in the four previous years. In 09-10, Connacht reached the semis of the ECC and won 4 points from that alone (they beat Bourgoin in the quarters to get there...). They took two points from "achieving" third place in 2011-12, and one for being in the HC in 2010-11. The real kicker? They were in the Heineken Cup for both these years (as well as the next season) only because of Leinster's european achievements. Without Leinster, Connacht would have been in Tier 4 with just four points.

There are much better ways of assigning teams to pools. The most obvious would be to draw upon domestic placings. Tier one: 1st - 2nd. Tier two: 3rd - 4th. Tier three: 5th - 6th. Tier four: the rest

 

[big ginger 8]

Reaching the semis of the Amlin isn't notable, especially considering they didn't do it when H Cup sides were involved.

I give them credit for improvement on past years, but they are still underdogs against nearly every side in the competition bar the obvious ones. They can pull off an upset, but it's an upset not the norm. Being in the tier 3 ahead of Racing and inthe same group as Zebre, especially when they couldn't qualify off their own back, is ridiculous.

Never said they should be ahead of the likes of Racing just that they'll in all likelihood cause an upset and I called it an upset.

 

[Twebby]

Can't believe we got drawn alongside Castres AGAIN!

Saw some horrifically arrogant journalism earlier suggesting Leinster have a fairly easy group. I think writing off any of the sides in Pool 1 would be foolish.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Can't believe we got drawn alongside Castres AGAIN!

Saw some horrifically arrogant journalism earlier suggesting Leinster have a fairly easy group. I think writing off any of the sides in Pool 1 would be foolish.

Agreed Leinster have lost numerous times to the Ospreys, Castres nearly knocked us out in '09 and Northampton are always a force to be reckoned with especially now with North and Fotuali'i.

Do you know if the Saints-Leinster game will be in Franklins Gardens or MK stadium because I reckon I'll be heading over to it considering I have family in Northampton and I'd much prefer to go to the Gardens, I've never been before!

 

[lynam1104]

How are the to 14 champions in teir 4 the ERC really should do ranking on the domestic places rather then they're own one which is very inefficient IMO.

Pool 1 not whatI was hoping for 3 of the 4 teams are league finallists, still think Leinster can win it but with a new coach will be no easy ride, however better then getting bleedin Clermont again.

 

[Twebby]

Agreed Leinster have lost numerous times to the Ospreys, Castres nearly knocked us out in '09 and Northampton are always a force to be reckoned with especially now with North and Fotuali'i.

Do you know if the Saints-Leinster game will be in Franklins Gardens or MK stadium because I reckon I'll be heading over to it considering I have family in Northampton and I'd much prefer to go to the Gardens, I've never been before!

Hopefully at the Gardens, but I wouldn't put it past certain members of our board desperately trying to get the game moved to MK. Have to wait and see unfortunately.