Listening to Tom Watson's victory speech it's clear the Labour faithful want a full blown socialist leadership which is their choice I suppose I just hope they can make a credible opposition because that's essential to the governing of this country
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No doubt Corbyn and Watson represent a section of the electorate, which feels marginalised from British politics, but that's a whole lot different from forming a credible Government. The way I see it, if Brown and Ed Miliband couldn't persuade the British electorate that they could, and they were more moderate left compared to Corbyn, then he has no chance in 2020. Labour almost bankrupted this nation back in 2008 and Corbyn would just take us back to the 1970s and Union power and strikes. No thank you. Ultimately, the electorate will vote according to who has credibility in managing the economy, Corbyn's spend, spend, spend mentality shows Labour still have not learnt why the electorate didn't vote them back in power at the last two elections.
There will be a honeymoon period and a Corbyn feel good factor, but by 2020 election that will be gone, imo, when the electorate ultimately say at the ballot box, yes we like some of your ideas, but not enough to actually form a Government.
Just wanted to add, looks like Labour have now ditched the last remnants of Blair, who they clearly are utterly ashamed of, despite him winning 3 straight elections for them. Looks like Labour don't really want to win elections anymore, they are more comfortable in opposition.
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Cannot but agree! The economy will be a major factor but the worst thing for this lot is the support Corbyn has got from Argentina and The terrorists from Northern Ireland!!
How can any sane person elect a man with such support and views to lead?
How can any sane person elect a man with such support and views to lead?
Labour's platform was distinctly Tory-lite and Ed Miliband's personal political leanings were at odds to this. Not to forget that people disliked Ed.
Corbyn has already created a political leftist zeitgeist in a way Ed could only dream of. It's clear that Corbyn has engaged new people and disaffected Labour supporters in this race.
No doubt Corbyn is a risk. But Labour were always up against it come 2020, whoever they voted for. At least Corbyn can change the political narrative in the way the others wouldn't have been able to.
Corbyn has already created a political leftist zeitgeist in a way Ed could only dream of. It's clear that Corbyn has engaged new people and disaffected Labour supporters in this race.
No doubt Corbyn is a risk. But Labour were always up against it come 2020, whoever they voted for. At least Corbyn can change the political narrative in the way the others wouldn't have been able to.
Question: How many people here would of voted labour had they elected Burnham, Cooper or Kendall?
Or even the second coming of Blair.
Just asking because it appears many people who are predicting labours demise apart from their own elite would of never voted that way anyway.
I like Corbyn for offering real choice but he's too extreme for my liking. But I'm liberal center left.
Or even the second coming of Blair.
Just asking because it appears many people who are predicting labours demise apart from their own elite would of never voted that way anyway.
I like Corbyn for offering real choice but he's too extreme for my liking. But I'm liberal center left.
To me Crobyn's labour is going to always be one of the opposition.
Will be interesting to see how this affects Lib Dem will they gain some of the old new labour supporters and lose there leftist supporters to old new labour.
Although they took heavy losses in that department already to Green Party.
Will be interesting to see how this affects Lib Dem will they gain some of the old new labour supporters and lose there leftist supporters to old new labour.
Although they took heavy losses in that department already to Green Party.
The green party will loose but UKIP will gain and the Tories who were kept on a leash during the coalition will start to run a bit wild
UKIP need to win the upcoming referendum or they are finished, winning zero seats despite the overwhelming support they got is a massive dent.
The real battleground next election is Scotland, labor won't win but they need to gain.
The real battleground next election is Scotland, labor won't win but they need to gain.
The snp lost the Scottish referendum and have come out stronger.
Why will UKIP gain from this? I suspect quite a bit of UKIP is made up of politically disaffected working class men. They might not share Corbyn's views on immigration, but I get the sense that Labour may regain some old support by Corbyn coming in.
The Lib Dem challenge is an interesting one. Farron is to the left of Clegg and will break away from the direction Clegg/the Orange Bookers were taking the Lib Dems. There's no doubt that the Lib Dems will move somewhat to the left now. Had Labour crowded the middle with a centrist like Burnham/Cooper, as I thought was going to happen, then the Lib Dems could have fought a soft anti-austerity platform to rebuild a bit of a supporter base in the centre-left. Presenting themselves as a centre-left party in the 00s worked quite well for the Lib Dems when Labour were drifting right. But now, there is a massive opening in the political centre for the Lib Dems to exploit that they would be crazy not to.
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Corbyn is a joke, that's labour screwed for the foreseeable.
Big party round at the Cameron's tonight.
I wonder how many non labour voters were part of the vote after all, £3 a pop I was tempted.
Big party round at the Cameron's tonight.
I wonder how many non labour voters were part of the vote after all, £3 a pop I was tempted.
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Timing and situation is very different between the two. Even then is massive shock result mainly caused by a very weak labour party.
Because immigration is the big issue for working class men. They have seen the starting wage for none graduate jobs tumble since 2005. You need to realise how many of them read the sun or mail.
Yeah but immigration isn't the cause of that...
Honestly though that's the point if UKIP can't win the referendum how are they going to campaign on or get tighter immigration?
Of course its the cause of it. 1000s of eastern europeans turn up happy to work at minimum wages under cut years of hard work getting the right deal for the lowest paid workers in Britain. The unions bottled it scared of being branded racist and we now have a situation were someone starting a warehouse picking job has gone from a starting salary of 17k to 12k in 10 years and you think these people will vote for Corbyn?
Horse****!
I was a factory picker part-time 9-12 years ago and got paid the same amount as everyone else my pay...£5.64/hour which equates to 11K a year.
Whilst more people willing to work on lesser wages has driven them down, what it actually amount to is companies knowing they don't have to pay much for unskilled staff and therefore working on maximising profits or paying the guys at the top hefty wages.
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Started as a picker at Boots in 2002 with shift pay 16.9k. 10 years later now I'm a manager interviewing mainly EU workers for a 33 hour contact 11k per annum. Yes the company's exploited things but the mass wave of cheap Labour coming west helped them. So people who used to be Labour though and though see a different enemy than the Tories and only ukip are willing to discuss it so they will and have gone there
Clearly, the major reason for reduced wages is the recession, with inflation increasing above wages for the majority of the time since then:
On the other hand, migration has a small, positive effect on average wages of non-migrant workers:
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/media/library/immigration
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