The Daily Mail: spouting hatred since 1938.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/07/31/daily-mail-1938-jews_n_7909954.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/07/31/daily-mail-1938-jews_n_7909954.html
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Yeah the Huffington post not political at all
Thanks for explaining the concept of a deterrent. Are they being stopped though? I'm very dubious at all to the effectivess of us having a deterrent.
Peat my argument on that front is the USA's stupidly huge stockpile is enough to keep the Ruskies at bay they aren't afraid of us they're afraid of them. Ultimately they've only "gotten away" (massive economic sanctions aside) with Ukraine as the area annexed as a extremely pro-Russian population.
Kosovo and Syria I entirely agree with you and hence why I disagree with Corbyn, TBH I wish we had gumption to use military force to help stop humanitarian disasters not just when our self-interest is served (Kosovo being one of few times I actually think that's happened).
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I wouldn't give Mail or Huffinton Post the time of day to be honest. All papers have a political angle to them but the reality is only The Times, The Telegraph, The Guardian & The Independent actually attempt to report news.
Attempt being the operative word! Unfortunately, with their slant, their news is selective and also slanted although not as much as the laughable Mail it has to be said!!
Well you do have to able to tell the difference between fact and opinion (something I was taught at school) and realise they are being incredibly selective on what to report and what they bring to prominence.
You have to give their due though the Telegraph exposed the expenses scandal although they were equally guilty of sitting on information until it became politically astute to reveal it (David Laws being a prime candidate for that).
The Guardian in equal measure has exposed some harsh truths about telecommunications monitoring.
So at least those papers are doing a job instead of just telling other people how they should think about things (they do, I'm not kidding myself).
An that in a nut shell is everything that is wrong with British politics, Why oh Why would you make an ex solicitior, with a background in migration and Human rights the shadow minister for agriculture? Oh because shes a woman...well that makes perfect sense.
Also lots of people taking about our intervention in Kosovo and comparing it to a possible intervention in Syria but the differences are vast in the 2 situations so just because Kosovo was a success doesnt mean an intervention in Syria would, it would probably end badly to be honest.
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Corbyn really is going to be a disaster isn't he! Makes me really angry that there isn't going to be an effective opposition to Cameron and Osborne. Can we invent a time machine and go get David Miliband in?
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Just watched Sky news this morning and the hula ba loooooo about Corbyn not singing he GSTQ unbelievable, nobody says anything about all the England footie players not singing the same Anthem, personally i don't give 2 monkeys!!!!!!!! but a storm in a teacup n'est pas, or is there no news in the UK this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
.........I agree about the need for a strong opposition! There must be someone in the Labour Party surely?
Maybe if a load of the more moderate guys, like Chuka?, left and went to the LibDems in numbers, they could take over that party and make it bigger than the Red Party?
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Possibly...right now i just can't believe the idiocy of the labour members. Sorry if that offends anyone but the party is managing to mess things up rather badly.
Its different but in my view worse than the Tories IDS call in 2001.
Its different but in my view worse than the Tories IDS call in 2001.
Corbyn probably won't be a disaster as one of two things will happen.
The first is he will genuinely change politics. The 250,000 people who voted for him will be a non-stop movement, protesting and recruiting and creating such a buzz that public opinion starts to slowly snowball behind him.
The second is he will be the unpopular leftie that common convention holds he is and he'll be given two years to flounder before he goes. That still gives Labour a fighting chance to fix itself, particularly if the Labour moderates and right can come up with something that'll actually hold water.
The principle behind why you'd intervene would be the same and that was the comparison. It's completely clear how you'd go about it would be utterly different. I think there is an argument for a bombing campaign to shatter IS infrastructure so they run out of steam quicker, but without knowing more of the ins and outs, I don't know if its the right one. Certainly chucking boots on the ground without a plan like the last couple of times would be an absolute goddamned disaster, no argument there.
I idly wonder if there's even anyone in the Labour party who does know much about farming who'd serve in Corbyn's shadow cabinet. They're not exactly well know for their rural representation.
The first is he will genuinely change politics. The 250,000 people who voted for him will be a non-stop movement, protesting and recruiting and creating such a buzz that public opinion starts to slowly snowball behind him.
The second is he will be the unpopular leftie that common convention holds he is and he'll be given two years to flounder before he goes. That still gives Labour a fighting chance to fix itself, particularly if the Labour moderates and right can come up with something that'll actually hold water.
The principle behind why you'd intervene would be the same and that was the comparison. It's completely clear how you'd go about it would be utterly different. I think there is an argument for a bombing campaign to shatter IS infrastructure so they run out of steam quicker, but without knowing more of the ins and outs, I don't know if its the right one. Certainly chucking boots on the ground without a plan like the last couple of times would be an absolute goddamned disaster, no argument there.
I idly wonder if there's even anyone in the Labour party who does know much about farming who'd serve in Corbyn's shadow cabinet. They're not exactly well know for their rural representation.
3 days in and ugh the first prime ministers questions is going to be overtaken by this bloody annoying anthem row....
I mean should he have sung it? Probably but he is a life long republican and has to do a few things he hates as that's just how parliament works. I was just hoping we'd get a few weeks of some level of debate before just silliness....
I mean should he have sung it? Probably but he is a life long republican and has to do a few things he hates as that's just how parliament works. I was just hoping we'd get a few weeks of some level of debate before just silliness....
You might be the biggest blind optimist I've ever talked to. I mean that in a friendly sense
I do wish the rags would give it a rest. Movements like Corbyn's thrive on attention and persecution.
Well hoping the first major gaff the papers would hound him for would take a week was hardly on a level of optimism.
Also yeah debate was too strong a word...but this will be even more laughable the exchanges he had with Milliband just before the election.
Sadly it's going to be 2 years of Corbyn as you said without a decent opposition not entirely sure how we've gone from a government I was pretty much happy with to this nonsense so quickly. Tories won't have a real opposition that is taken seriously to call them into account and also don't have partners in government telling to stop they are going to far.
Also yeah debate was too strong a word...but this will be even more laughable the exchanges he had with Milliband just before the election.
Sadly it's going to be 2 years of Corbyn as you said without a decent opposition not entirely sure how we've gone from a government I was pretty much happy with to this nonsense so quickly. Tories won't have a real opposition that is taken seriously to call them into account and also don't have partners in government telling to stop they are going to far.
It's fact. Not hard to check. It's an actual Mail headline, but feel free to let your prejudices show.
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Yes, that would be like, oh I don't know, appointing a Hooray Henry with a degree in history to the Teasury because he ran your election campaign. I mean that would never happen, right?
No its opinion.
Yes it would be like appointing a chinless chap who also had no experience still doesn't make any sense does it?
Opinion? Does the actual newpaper report help?
https://tompride.wordpress.com/2014...-supporting-hitler-and-its-anti-semitic-past/
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Or this?
https://tompride.wordpress.com/2014/02/27/its-time-the-daily-mail-apologised-for-supporting-hitler-and-its-anti-semitic-past/hurrah-for-the-blackshirts/
Or this?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2132611/French-elections-2012-Marine-Le-Pen-responsible-vote-France.html
https://tompride.wordpress.com/2014...-supporting-hitler-and-its-anti-semitic-past/
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Or this?
https://tompride.wordpress.com/2014/02/27/its-time-the-daily-mail-apologised-for-supporting-hitler-and-its-anti-semitic-past/hurrah-for-the-blackshirts/
Or this?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2132611/French-elections-2012-Marine-Le-Pen-responsible-vote-France.html
And I will post 10 things in the mail and call it fact blah blah.
All press is a mix of facts, half truths and opinions and you believe the ones you want too.
All press is a mix of facts, half truths and opinions and you believe the ones you want too.
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240,000 of them were probably Tories who paid £3 for the privilege.
You can't blame the Tories for everything
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