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Who'll win the next RWC ?

It's been an age.
When/where was the last loss? I can't even remember :huh:

vs Australia in Brisbane in 2011. We deviously threw the match to lull the Wallabies into a false sense of security.

I was a bit worried that we were going to lose the England at the end of 2012 after the whole squad was cut down by Norovirus, but luckily the authorities called off the match.
 
Do you hate the English more than Kiwis, right?

Of course. In fact I don't even hate the kiwis at all - The All Blacks are my second team after the Wallabies. A lot of Aussie rugby fans are like that, and generally speaking the 'hate' is more one way. The kiwis generally hate us in Rugby more than we hate them (although I imagine there's less hate now after their decade of dominance).
 
Two points:
(1) The season isn't ending today. By the end of the season I think you will find the table looks rather different, as the better sides will peak at the end of the season. At this time last year the Blues were in 2nd, with the Crusaders in 9th! I would be very surprised if there are three Australian sides in the playoffs (they may manage to get 2), especially considering the Brumbies & the Force haven't yet toured South Africa.
(2) Super Rugby is not Test rugby. There is often little correlation between performances at Super Rugby level and at test level.

Honestly I'm less worried about Australia than I have been in some time. They are still lacking a quality tight five, Genia hasn't played well for years, Cooper is still inconsistent, and they only have one real weapon in the backline (though he is a pretty good weapon!). I'm a lot more worried about South Africa this year though....


I'm slightly surprised there are so few people picking the AB's to win. Obviously it is a World Cup (so anything can happen), but I think we should start as rather firm favourites. It has been years since we have lost a test match ;)

1- Aussies teams are having a very good season, I'd be surprised if at least 2 aussies teams not classified.
2- If the SA teams have a poor level, this directly affects the Boks. Big players like JDV or Bryan Habana are at a bad season.
3- Will Genia is at a low level, but Nic White is in his best. Then it's a matter of McKenzie choose the correct player.
4- Quade Cooper, right now, is on the dream team of Fantasy Fox Sports. I wouldn't say he's poorly
5- At the moment, ABs don't have a young hooker an international level.
6- ABs hasn't yet found the right replacement for Conrad Smith
7- Dan Carter isn't playing, then his level is unknown
8- Aussie back-line isn't only Israel Folau, they showed that in the spring tour 2013. Matt Toomua is a good choice at 12, Kurtley Beale is a new weapon at 12 too. Ben McCalman is in his best right now, he's one of the best SANZAR's backrows at the moment.
9- ABs backline isn't at their best: Aaron Smith, Ma'a Nonu, Israel Dagg, Cory Jane and others. Only Julian Savea and Conrad Smith are in good level. I know you will say "Long time ago that Nonu doesn't have a good Super Rugby season, but he's always at his best when he wearing the black jersey." Perhaps, but the level of the NZ backline is poor at this time, except for Julian Savea and the immortal Conrad Smith. Izzy Dagg's level is so low that I think he shouldn't even wear the black jersey this year, the NZ fullback should be Charles Piutau IMO.

I think, this year, ARU have an amazing opportunity to return to the golden years.
 
1- Aussies teams are having a very good season, I'd be surprised if at least 2 aussies teams not classified.
2- If the SA teams have a poor level, this directly affects the Boks. Big players like JDV or Bryan Habana are at a bad season.
3- Will Genia is at a low level, but Nic White is in his best. Then it's a matter of McKenzie choose the correct player.
4- Quade Cooper, right now, is on the dream team of Fantasy Fox Sports. I wouldn't say he's poorly
5- At the moment, ABs don't have a young hooker an international level.
6- ABs hasn't yet found the right replacement for Conrad Smith
7- Dan Carter isn't playing, then his level is unknown
8- Aussie back-line isn't only Israel Folau, they showed that in the spring tour 2013. Matt Toomua is a good choice at 12, Kurtley Beale is a new weapon at 12 too. Ben McCalman is in his best right now, he's one of the best SANZAR's backrows at the moment.
9- ABs backline isn't at their best: Aaron Smith, Ma'a Nonu, Israel Dagg, Cory Jane and others. Only Julian Savea and Conrad Smith are in good level. I know you will say "Long time ago that Nonu doesn't have a good Super Rugby season, but he's always at his best when he wearing the black jersey." Perhaps, but the level of the NZ backline is poor at this time, except for Julian Savea and the immortal Conrad Smith. Izzy Dagg's level is so low that I think he shouldn't even wear the black jersey this year, the NZ fullback should be Charles Piutau IMO.

I think, this year, ARU have an amazing opportunity to return to the golden years.

Addressing these points:

1. & 2. No-one is denying the Australian teams are having a good season so far. My points were (1) the season isn't over yet, and (2) there isn't a large correlation between how a country goes in Super Rugby and at test level in any case.
3. Genia will be the Wallabies halfback (despite his lack of form). White has the best kicking game of any Australian halfback, but apart from that he is not great. His defense is average and he is incredibly error prone. If White starts at halfback the All Blacks and Boks don't have anything to worry about.
4. I didn't say Cooper was playing poorly - just that he is still inconsistent. I don't care how many point he has in fantasy rugby - rugby is played on a field. Fantasy rugby points aren't really a good indication as to whether a player is playing well or not.
5. Not sure why that matters? Last time I checked you only need 2 hookers in your match-day 23, and Coles and Mealamu are more than good enough at test level. Obviously if there are injuries we will need to blood a new hooker (and both Marshall and Coltman have shown a lot of promise) or they could just pick Cory Flynn who will do a solid job at test level.
6. Again, not sure why this is a big problem? Conrad Smith will play every match presuming he is fit. Ben Smith did a fine job at the end of last year so could fill-in if required, while Ryan Crotty also looked comfortable at test level last season. Fekitoa has looked incredibly promising for the Highlanders and Francis Saili is another option. Even if Conrad Smith got injured we are still pretty well covered at 13.
7. If only we had another 2 world class 10's available ;) By the Rugby Championship all three should be available. We had no trouble winning last season when all three were injured and Tom Taylor started at 10!
8. Yes Australia has another 6 players in their backline apart from Folau, but he was basically the only backline threat for them last season. Toomua is a solid option at 12, but is hardly a major threat to the oppostion. Beale would be a threat if he started at 12, but he would leave massive hole in the Wallabies backline on defense....
9. Aaron Smith is in superb form. Nonu hasn't played much, but looks in better form than he has at Super Rugby level for years. Dagg is rubbish (and has been for years), Jane has been quiet, but is unlikely to be even be in the AB's 23. Ben Smith is in great form (when isn't he?), Barrett is in great form, Piutau is in solid form. The only likely starter whose form hasn't been good is Dagg, and I agree he shouldn't be starting. I wouldn't be playing Piutau at fullback though - he doesn't have a good enough kicking game to play fullback at test level. Ben Smith should be starting a fullback, with Piutau on the rugby wing.

The Wallabies may have a good season, but I have seen nothing in there performance last season or in Super Rugby this season that suggest they will be a force this year. It is worth noting that you didn't even mention their tight-five. This is the Wallabies biggest weakness - unless they sort this out it won't matter how good their backline is they are going to struggle to be a consistent threat at test level.
 
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England of course!, haha. Wishful thinking I know, I hope they'll be up there though!, but realistically I think it'll be between the All Blacks and Springboks.
 
With Australia they did look a hell of a lot better when McKenzie took over but they still have some big problems. Their scrum is still a weakness that they don't have an answer for, Robinson and Alexander are great around the park but when the scrum time comes they will get pushed back by almost everyone. Moore and polo-tnau(no idea how too spell his name) are more than capable at test level. Horwill, Skelton and Pyle(though he might be moving) could all play at test level, Skelton looks like an absolute monster, I think the best tight five they can put out 1. Robinson 2. Moore 3. Kepu 4. Horwill 5. Skelton which isn't bad but not really up to standard with other teams such as England, Wales, Ireland, France, South Africa, New Zealand and Argentina. Their backline and back-row is world class though.
 
With Australia they did look a hell of a lot better when McKenzie took over but they still have some big problems. Their scrum is still a weakness that they don't have an answer for, Robinson and Alexander are great around the park but when the scrum time comes they will get pushed back by almost everyone. Moore and polo-tnau(no idea how too spell his name) are more than capable at test level. Horwill, Skelton and Pyle(though he might be moving) could all play at test level, Skelton looks like an absolute monster, I think the best tight five they can put out 1. Robinson 2. Moore 3. Kepu 4. Horwill 5. Skelton which isn't bad but not really up to standard with other teams such as England, Wales, Ireland, France, South Africa, New Zealand and Argentina. Their backline and back-row is world class though.

Have they really though? Deans was heavily criticized, but his record wasn't really that bad. Under McKenzie the Wallabies had their worst performance in the Rugby Championship/Tri Nations in 4 years, including a record defeat at home against South Africa, and they almost lost to Argentina at home too. They did have some good wins over Ireland and Italy on their end of year tour, but lost to England (they beat Wales as they always do though!). Obviously McKenzie needs to be given some time to develop the side the way he wants, but I think it is far too early to know yet whether he will be more or less successful than Deans...
 
Have they really though? Deans was heavily criticized, but his record wasn't really that bad. Under McKenzie the Wallabies had their worst performance in the Rugby Championship/Tri Nations in 4 years, including a record defeat at home against South Africa, and they almost lost to Argentina at home too. They did have some good wins over Ireland and Italy on their end of year tour, but lost to England (they beat Wales as they always do though!). Obviously McKenzie needs to be given some time to develop the side the way he wants, but I think it is far too early to know yet whether he will be more or less successful than Deans...
McKenzie didn't have enough time to prepare for the tri-nations and the situation in the camp that Deans left was not exactly ideal for a new guy coming in. Australia played a lot better style of play under McKenzie and I think this year he will show us a better standard then what we had for the last 18 months. South Africa also have come on leaps and bounds and are a much better team than Oz, the loss was really bad but as I said before he was in a poor situation, a lot of guys that come in their first games are bad, look at Schmidt vs Australia they got destroyed.
 
McKenzie didn't have enough time to prepare for the tri-nations and the situation in the camp that Deans left was not exactly ideal for a new guy coming in. Australia played a lot better style of play under McKenzie and I think this year he will show us a better standard then what we had for the last 18 months. South Africa also have come on leaps and bounds and are a much better team than Oz, the loss was really bad but as I said before he was in a poor situation, a lot of guys that come in their first games are bad, look at Schmidt vs Australia they got destroyed.

I certainly agree McKenzie needs time to develop his side. I just don't think there is any evidence yet that Australia will be any better under him than under Deans. Big wins over Italy and Argentina are all well and good, but the Wallabies need to start winning regularly against South Africa and New Zealand if McKenzie is going to surpass Deans's record. Australia were the 2nd best side in the world for a large amount of Deans's reign, and got 3rd in the RWC. Australia's biggest failing under Deans was their inability to beat the All Blacks - they certainly weren't the only side with this problem (they just had to play the AB's 3-4 times a year!). If you take out the AB's matches Deans had a 72% record (pretty handy!), and had a winning record against all other international sides apart from (strangely) Scotland.

I'm certainly not one of those in the Robbie Deans fan club, but I feel people underestimate his contribution as Australian coach. I've got a lot of time for McKenzie too, and I hope he does well (in every match that doesn't involve NZ!); I'm just not yet convinced he is the great redeemer many are predicting/hoping for!
 
Caaaan't wait tfor this World Cup! First time I'll be watching one as an actual fan.

Still a long way out, though, so it's hard to tell what'll happen in 2015. Anyone remember how Ireland were beating South Africa and Australia as well as coming within minutes of a Grand Slam in later '06/early'07? I'm sure no Irish fan needs a reminder of what happened after...

By the way, anyone else hoping 2015 will finally be the year where Italy makes the quarterfinals? Pool D could be quite a difficult one. I can see Romania and Canada causing the other sides a fair bit of trouble. I think Pool B could also produce a lot of entertaining games. Looking forward to seeing Scotland, Samoa, Japan and USA all running each other close. I'm quite curious to see what sort of impact Vern Cotter will have on the Scotland setup.

I think I'd like to see a new name on the Webb Ellis Cup this time around, but it's hard to look past the All Blacks and Springboks...but then again, it is a World Cup. I think we'll also see Ireland make their first semi final which will be great. Japan bagging a win or two is quite important too (to me at least) since they'll be hosting the following tournament.
 
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OK !! we're doing chauvinistic pics here are we ?! Alright, take that !!

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Caaaan't wait tfor this World Cup! First time I'll be watching one as an actual fan.


Me too. I was a semi-fan back then, so this'll be be first official anticipation and viewing as an actual fan who really knows what the fk is going on throughout. But you'll be obsolete by then, though...you shouldn't have picked such a specific username.
 
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that picture is so French. they look like they couldn't give less of a **** if they tried !
 
that picture is so French. they look like they couldn't give less of a **** if they tried !

it's still highly intimidating. PSA looks like he scratched his ass before or/and after the pic was taken, but apart from that this pic is pure seething passion.
 
that's the job of the national coach. Posing for the camera. He does the media conference & press releases as well. Imagine how busy he is.
 
Samoa are looking decent and I think it will come down to what the conditions are like on the day. If it is a dry hard pitch and the teams are throwing the ball around I say 55/45 Scotland, if it is wet and it comes down too kicking penalties then 80/20 Scotland, if only Samoa could get a decent and steady kicker and they would be a serious problem for a lot of teams. I remember what they did to Australia a couple of years back and physically they just dominated everything about that game, and the speed and flair in which they played would have beaten a lot of teams that day.
Lima Sopoaga played for NZ u20 but is of Samoan descent and could still turn out for them as NZ u20 isn't NZ's dedicated 2nd team so doesn't count as a capped NZ player and at 83% is the leading NZ goal kicker in Super Rugby so far and not far off 2nd though Marnitz Boshoff at 90% is clear out in front. The guy is pretty handy about the park though to put it lightly but the accuracy at goal is no small bonus particularrly for a team on the fringe of tier 1 needing just that little extra as you indicated. 9 Foto'alii, 10 Sopoaga... I wouldn't mind that combo for SA righht now TBH.



That pool is a total crap shoot, Japan and the United States could upset Scotland and Samoa on their day as well, Scotland could finish 2nd or they could possibly finish dead last(though this seems unlikely). The Boks are really the only guarentee in that pool, and I think the 2nd place team wil be easy pickings in the Quarter Finals.

Yeah, I see the pool we are in as something of a pool of death for 2nd spot with the competitiveness of the 4 'smaller' teams in that any one of 4 teams could end up 2nd and I also don't want to get ahead of myself too far as- though I can't see SA not going through- we have a knack for falling foul of Scotland if they spoil well enough and Samoa are always a challenge (apart from on the highveld) so on hevay fields we could end up 2nd easily if we get tripped up.

Anyway, I see it as a battle between NZ, England and SA. I don't want to say the other teams can't win outright and certainly they can win against any of thse threee on the day but I see NZ, SA and England as the most consistent which is important. I'll of course be backing SA and I do think we have a very good chance as we thrive on pressure games so will have possibly the edge over NZ in that they'll be favorites and will probably not play their usual game in play-off conditions?? and against England- who are very much on the up thoug- we have a very good run going and we just play our best rugby against England still.

It feels insane leaving out France, Ireland, Aus and Wales but someone has to go on and win and I think these 4 each have some weaknesses the other 3 have better covered.
 
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i thought he was born in Wellington

LOL, like that has stopped Samoa before. I don't know if he is in fact elligible but I think he would probably be high on Samoa's list by now with some fantastic performances for the Highlanders and probably not in line for a black jersey behind all of Carter, Cruden, Barrett, Taylor, Slade and who else...
 
Paul Williams is a good kicker. Unfortunately he seems to get injured on international duty a fair bit, and the depth ain't there.
 
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