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madflyhalf

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I'm quite curious on the current referees situation in TRC.

Suppose you're a member of SA/AUS/NZ team.

- In september your team receives "new rules" or new ways of interpretation, and you start the pre-season training under those aspects.
- You start and play the whole Super Rugby realizing the referees are actually implementing those rules and you HAVE TO adapt your game to them.
- Also you tend to adapt your game to the typical sh refs too, that allow a quicker game, with low count of penalties and stoppage

Everything is pretty fine until TRC.

Here comes northern referees!


In the first match you play the penalty count is 27!
In the fourth match again 27 an so on!
On the other side of the Tasman anything is granted at the breakdown, after the halftime break the Wallabies adapted their bd play to the mess Barnes (the northern one, obviously the worse of the 2).

The pace is slower, the games are boring and absolutely not fitted to these players!


So the questions raise, where are the southern referees?
Why let them refereing the whole season and relegate them to the touchline?

Joubert, Walsh, Peyper and even Glen Jackson (despite his lack of experience compared to the other) are currently the best referees in the world, by meter used, consistency and capacity to the game to flow constantly with the lesser interruption!
You can put also Mark Lawrence who has retired from test rugby last year, among those!


And again, what's the point of instructing players to play under determinate circumstances for 8 month and then switch back to an old fashioned, boring and useless rugby?

I remember when I made the referee class here in Italy (teached by the 2 best refs in my province), the first line they pronounced was: "Blow your whistle as little as possible! Either you're refereeing youngsters or senior clubs, make them play without interruption as much as possible!"

I really don't think the style of southern refs, with key and clear early penalties awarded in the match, clarifying the rules and how to play, while keeping the penalties count low, makes any crime by the end of the match!

Or it does?! :mellow::huh:
 
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gotta hate the way wayne barnes runs a game. He becomes the dominating personality on the field. Find it bizzare how he seems to be constantly blowing his whistle these days yet on one fateful day back in 2007 he did not penalize a side for an entire half of rugby and only about two total for the whole game? bent fricken lawyer. :p
 
Penalties per match in the RC

Rolland: 26
Walsh: 25
Owens: 18
Walsh: 19
Poite: 25
Owens: 19
Clancy: 27
Barnes: 22

Looking at Walsh's stats compared to the others I don't really think it's a NH/SH thing. Nigel Owens of Wales appears to award the least penalties.

To address the question of referees, the SH have quite a few good refs but unfortunately most of them are from South Africa which makes things difficult in the 4N.
 
Peyper is a terrible referee.
Atrocious; clueless and biased.

Walsh is amongst the best these days. I still think Mark Lawrence was a massive loss.
 
Mark Lawrence is one of the best in the world when it comes to knowledge of the rules, consistency and communication. It was his own choice to retire though. After this years Currie Cup he will also retire as a national referee. He wants to spend more time with his family.

I am happy for him but will miss him. He was the first referee to make a really good impression on me. Met him twice as well, when I was playing rugby in South Africa. Very, very polite guy who is a true gentleman.
 
gotta hate the way wayne barnes runs a game. He becomes the dominating personality on the field. Find it bizzare how he seems to be constantly blowing his whistle these days yet on one fateful day back in 2007 he did not penalize a side for an entire half of rugby and only about two total for the whole game? bent fricken lawyer. :p

He is terrible. He ruined 2012 Heineken Cup semifinal, and I thought they cut him from top referees panel!

Kind of exaggerating on the whole muddy kickfest nh rugby don't you think?

Of course, I did it on purpose!
;) :D

Do not agree about Peyper, underrated and up to the job!

About Walsh, he refered the first match of Argentina, played in SH, full of errors by both team... different results were unlikely IMO!
 
Kind of exaggerating on the whole muddy kickfest nh rugby don't you think?

Not to take anything away from NH rugby, but you cannot deny that SH rugby is much more open play. I am not saying it's better, I am just saying it's more exciting to watch from a neutral perspective, but let's not get into a whole NH-SH debate.

I think having NH referees in the RC and SH referees in the 6N is not a bad thing. It gives the referees the chance to get familiar with the different styles. Also, the players learn to work with different types of referees.
 
I think having NH referees in the RC and SH referees in the 6N is not a bad thing. It gives the referees the chance to get familiar with the different styles. Also, the players learn to work with different types of referees.

Surely and I absolutely agree, but I'd like to see more rotation!
Now 4 rounds have gone, only 2 left, still have to see a SH ref to refereeing the Wallabies!
 
My biggest issue is referees in NH v SH matches.
Say what you want, but the way that the referees interpret the variations in play of the respective hemispheres make it like two different codes. Take Craig Joubert. Great referee when reffing one hemisphere. Make it NH v SH and there is plenty of confusion.

Please watch Peyper. I have lost count of the cheapshots he turns a blind eye to.

Barnes is very unpredictable. I sometimes watch him an think "Nice job ref". Not the next week though.
 
Not to take anything away from NH rugby, but you cannot deny that SH rugby is much more open play. I am not saying it's better, I am just saying it's more exciting to watch from a neutral perspective, but let's not get into a whole NH-SH debate.

I think having NH referees in the RC and SH referees in the 6N is not a bad thing. It gives the referees the chance to get familiar with the different styles. Also, the players learn to work with different types of referees.

Think it's horribly exagerated sure a number of teams are boring but it's the same in the SH teams like the Bulls and the 'tahs are incredibly boring and not very open. While teams like Leinster and the Scarlets are exciting. You can pick and choose as I am to make a point.

Also and this may offend some people but the Munster vs Ulster game was more exciting than the NZ SA game this weekend. Not saying it was better but more exciting and open. That's the last I'm saying on it in this thread. If anyone wants to discuss it further with me they can pm me.
 
I'm sorry I didn't mean to be offensive and I'm gonna remove that sentence, I put it there just to exagerate with irony and made my point, but nothing more! ;)

And again I'm a big fan of NH competition, HC especially (IMO best competition in world rugby!)
 
I'm sorry I didn't mean to be offensive and I'm gonna remove that sentence, I put it there just to exagerate with irony and made my point, but nothing more! ;)

And again I'm a big fan of NH competition, HC especially (IMO best competition in world rugby!)


No bother I'm probably just not in a good mood right now.
 
No problem for me, just realized sometimes written words looks so different from pronounced ones! ;)
 
For me I'd like to see Glen Jackson given the nod, from what I have seen of him ref Super Rugby and ITM he's done a very good job.
 
For me I'd like to see Glen Jackson given the nod, from what I have seen of him ref Super Rugby and ITM he's done a very good job.

I don't think it will be too long before we see him regularly at international level. He seems to have a great feel for the game, and is very highly regarded here in New Zealand (arguably the only decent ref we have coming through at the moment ;) ). He has been a touch judge (assistant refs I think they are called now?) for a couple of the Rugby Championship games - hopefully we get to see him continue to develop, as we need as many quality refs in the international game as possible!
 
My biggest issue is referees in NH v SH matches.
Say what you want, but the way that the referees interpret the variations in play of the respective hemispheres make it like two different codes. Take Craig Joubert. Great referee when reffing one hemisphere. Make it NH v SH and there is plenty of confusion.

Please watch Peyper. I have lost count of the cheapshots he turns a blind eye to.

Barnes is very unpredictable. I sometimes watch him an think "Nice job ref". Not the next week though.

So then the question should be "Where are the refs who live slap bang on the equator" or "Can the Curiosity Rover bloody well hurry up and find life on Mars so we can get the rules so it can ref the 2nd Lions Test in the summer"
 

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