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Wales v England - 05/08/23 5:30 KO

These warm ups are mainly a chance to stretch the legs and break up the tedium of camp.
It's a test, isn't it?

I've never understood the English mentality of a 'friendly' international rugby match.

We don't really do them in the southern hemisphere - even an easy game against, say, Australia, would never be considered a 'friendly'

It's a concept you lot have gotten from soccer that just doesn't translate here
 
It's a test, isn't it?

I've never understood the English mentality of a 'friendly' international rugby match.

We don't really do them in the southern hemisphere - even an easy game against, say, Australia, would never be considered a 'friendly'

It's a concept you lot have gotten from soccer that just doesn't translate here
A lot of it comes down to perception of what the term means, if you see it as a semi meaningless game with an opportunity to try things and give opportunities to some fringe players or those that need a bit more test experience I'm all for it, whilst I want momentum if it's pre tournament I don't put it up high enough to expect everyone to go full throttle and potentially injure themselves pre tournament, it's a balance.
 
It's a test, isn't it?

In name only.

There's nothing at stake, bar for a few individual players. The players will try but it will be a few notches down on the intensity scale.

Weakened line ups.

Still tickets available. A 6N game could sell out multiple times over months in advance.
 
In name only.

There's nothing at stake,

This is, I feel, the biggest difference between the 6N and the southern hemisphere: there are no friendlies, ever

Occasionally there's what we call a 'dead rubber' where the result doesn't affect a championship or table, but even then it's played to win and can be used blood new talent or try new combinations, but there's just no concept of 'friendly'

The mindset that goes 'it's only Italy, they don't matter' or 'Georgia don't have a chance and don't matter so it's unimportant' is probably the difference between why England are so up and down and why NZ isn't

Failing to smash Japan by 40+ points or Argentina by 20 would be considered a poor showing in NZ

Never a friendly - ever
 
This is, I feel, the biggest difference between the 6N and the southern hemisphere: there are no friendlies, ever

Occasionally there's what we call a 'dead rubber' where the result doesn't affect a championship or table, but even then it's played to win and can be used blood new talent or try new combinations, but there's just no concept of 'friendly'

The mindset that goes 'it's only Italy, they don't matter' or 'Georgia don't have a chance and don't matter so it's unimportant' is probably the difference between why England are so up and down and why NZ isn't

Failing to smash Japan by 40+ points or Argentina by 20 would be considered a poor showing in NZ

Never a friendly - ever
is this why NZ made 13 changes to the starting XV tomorrow?
 
This is, I feel, the biggest difference between the 6N and the southern hemisphere: there are no friendlies, ever

Occasionally there's what we call a 'dead rubber' where the result doesn't affect a championship or table, but even then it's played to win and can be used blood new talent or try new combinations, but there's just no concept of 'friendly'

The mindset that goes 'it's only Italy, they don't matter' or 'Georgia don't have a chance and don't matter so it's unimportant' is probably the difference between why England are so up and down and why NZ isn't

Failing to smash Japan by 40+ points or Argentina by 20 would be considered a poor showing in NZ

Never a friendly - ever
No disrespect but have you been living under a rock? NZ certainly look to be clicking and a threat for the World Cup but in this cycle they have lost to Argentina, a series to Ireland and France, almost lost saved by a slightly dubious end of a game call to a poor Aus, I mean England have not had a great WC cycle but if anything have been pretty much constantly rubbish post WC 2019, really lost me at NZ not being up and down, they are hardly the class of 2011 - 2015.
 
Surely a bigger squad size diminishes the need for so many players playing multiple positions, ultimately I'd say prioritise specialists where ever possible, if the best player happens to be able to cover a second position great, unless there is not much to pick between them it shouldn't be a huge factor. Then there's the fact that it's in France so if cover needs to come in, it's not a huge operation to get it there, a small spattering of multi positional personnel is useful but happy for them to sit on the bench, Daly springs to mind.
Squad size is bigger by 1.
Chances of a red card, or a concussion time-out are (probably) bigger by more than 1/32.

To my reading, he's not talking about the first XV, or even particularly the first choice 23. He's taking 3 specialists for the really specialist positions (LHP, HK, THP, SH, FH) in addition to his first choice 23. Which leaves him 5 players to cover any injuries, bans, or RTP protocol absences for the other 10 positions. It's those 5 players for whom flexibility will count more favourably (though a little flexibility is always useful elsewhere in the team, as it gives more options, and means greater spread of the actual jobs on the rugby pitch)
It's a test, isn't it?

I've never understood the English mentality of a 'friendly' international rugby match.
Friendly purely in terms of matches that matter.
In a typical calendar year, there are no friendlies. The 6N matters most, but the June and November internationals also matter.
In a typical year, the closest we get to a friendly is the Barbarians, usually as a warm-up to the June tour, when players from the top 4 clubs aren't available, and it's uncapped, so not a test => friendly.

However, in a RWC year, the RWC is played close to the end of the QN; and... 6 months after the 6N. So we have friendlies.
They are full-cap tests, but are essentially pre-season matches for the international sides. The purpose is to knock the rust off the players, test combinations, embed game plans, and occasionally to see if Bolter X sinks on the international stage.

You guys get ready for the RWC, by playing a season full of rugby, ending in an annual competition that matters.
If we didn't have these pre-season matches, our players would arrive at their first RWC match after 15 weeks without playing any rugby. So we have a pre-season.
"NZ don't play friendlies" - when was the last time NZ had started a RWC after 15 weeks without playing any rugby? Trust me, if that happens, you'll arrange some matches that who's only real meaning is to prepare for the bigger picture, rather than being must-win in their own right.
 
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Either a boring, scrappy game with one try each and a score decided by penalty kicks, or a complete try fest with one side being completely dominant. I don't see any in between game happening
 
will probably be a nervy playing not to lose attritional arm wrestle minimal risk from either team, very low on the try front but possibly a few pens in it, happy to be proven wrong but think besides neither team being in a particularly fluent place the weather will dictate it.
 
will probably be a nervy playing not to lose attritional arm wrestle minimal risk from either team, very low on the try front but possibly a few pens in it, happy to be proven wrong but think besides neither team being in a particularly fluent place the weather will dictate it.
It's being held in Cardiff with the roof shut. Weather shouldn't affect anything
 

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