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MACCA said:
AWJ, Tips, Faletau and Owens are all well past their best. Could only be picked by Wales or Gatland. Embarrassing poor team.
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Me reading your post history
season 10 episode 20 GIF
 
Ireland Captains Huddle on opening day six nations

"Look I know they are Welsh and I want slap them instead of look at them as well but for the love of God just don't give away a red card"
 
It is more than a tad worrying how poor we look as a team. Not very cohesive. I can perhaps forgive the pack as a unit being a bit crap with new players blah blah blah but we look pretty bad in attack and until LRZ went off that's pretty much first team (even though I don't think Pivac even knows what our first choice center pairing is)

Compare that to Ireland and it's not even same league. Some good individual performances but they can't gloss over everything. Maybe that's how Pivac is viewing. He said at the start of the AI that the original plan was to really nail down on our strongest 30 players but due to the injury list they changed strategy and approached it in the same way as last autumn I guess if you compare it to that **** show it's not been a bad AI but with AWJ and Navidi conformed to miss out on the 6N I can easily see 4 losses. You can never write us off though.
 
TigsMan said:
I'm a fan of Tips, Faletau and Owen tbh
I think in another time Tips would be considered top 5 open side in the world

Wales really need to move on from AWJ though, especially as a leader you can't pin your hopes on a player that will be 38 next RWC.
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I think it's kind of starting. Ben Carter looks one for the future and I think Rowlands has equipped himself well. Having said that AWJ walks into the team when fit. He'll be the first to call it a day when his stats aren't up there on a consistent basis.
 
Welsh Exile said:
It is more than a tad worrying how poor we look as a team. Not very cohesive. I can perhaps forgive the pack as a unit being a bit crap with new players blah blah blah but we look pretty bad in attack and until LRZ went off that's pretty much first team (even though I don't think Pivac even knows what our first choice center pairing is)

Compare that to Ireland and it's not even same league. Some good individual performances but they can't gloss over everything. Maybe that's how Pivac is viewing. He said at the start of the AI that the original plan was to really nail down on our strongest 30 players but due to the injury list they changed strategy and approached it in the same way as last autumn I guess if you compare it to that **** show it's not been a bad AI but with AWJ and Navidi conformed to miss out on the 6N I can easily see 4 losses. You can never write us off though.
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My comment about papering over the cracks is more to do with the fact that Wales are over reliant on ageing players past their best. Yes it's not a full strength side, but neither was Australia. On top considering the numerical advantage in both games Wales should have done better. I'm not sure what Pivac has planned for the next 2 years, but I feel like out of all the home nations Wales are the country that look least like they've got a clear plan to develop. Ireland are developing well, Scotland haven't made a huge amount of progress this AIs but they have a plan. England may have been helped by injuries, but they do seem to be developing a new and improved attack.
 
Reiser99 said:
My comment about papering over the cracks is more to do with the fact that Wales are over reliant on ageing players past their best. Yes it's not a full strength side, but neither was Australia. On top considering the numerical advantage in both games Wales should have done better. I'm not sure what Pivac has planned for the next 2 years, but I feel like out of all the home nations Wales are the country that look least like they've got a clear plan to develop. Ireland are developing well, Scotland haven't made a huge amount of progress this AIs but they have a plan. England may have been helped by injuries, but they do seem to be developing a new and improved attack.
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Yeah that's fair. I would say that maybe the reliance on ageing players is a bit overstated, though. If we're just talking about the next 2 years and the WC there's only 2 ageing players we do really heavily rely on, imo. AWJ and Owens. The other aging players like Navidi, Tipuric and Faletau still have a good few years in them and while they won't exactly be in their prime come the WC they won't be past it either but the other reason why I'm not really worried about them is that we've got depth in the back row. Hooker and the 2nd row not so much.
 
Welsh Exile said:
I forgot North as well tbf. I think our midfield looks completely different with him there and looks like Pivac sees him as our 13 now.
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Is North really good enough to be a modern day 13? I feel like Wales see size and power and just try and shoe-horn that into every position. It worked for a while but I don't think it will anymore. Is he good enough at reading the opposition, decision making, when to shoot out, organizing the defence etc?
 
UlsterRugby2012 said:
Is North really good enough to be a modern day 13? I feel like Wales see size and power and just try and shoe-horn that into every position. It worked for a while but I don't think it will anymore. Is he good enough at reading the opposition, decision making, when to shoot out, organizing the defence etc?
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Those were the doubts I had prior to the 6N but he did pretty well considering it's a new position for him (he has played there a bit but not really I don't think)

Those are still fair questions of him though as it's a small sample size of games to go on. His distribution not being good enough for 13 was what concerned me as well but as I say, he did well.

Pivac has obviously said they're interested in trying Adams there but I guess that's more a pace thing rather than size. North has still got gas, though.
 
Welsh Exile said:
Those were the doubts I had prior to the 6N but he did pretty well considering it's a new position for him (he has played there a bit but not really I don't think)

Those are still fair questions of him though as it's a small sample size of games to go on. His distribution not being good enough for 13 was what concerned me as well but as I say, he did well.

Pivac has obviously said they're interested in trying Adams there but I guess that's more a pace thing rather than size. North has still got gas, though.
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Well against Ireland and Scotland he played against 14 for the vast majority of the time so he always had one man extra to defend with. A loss against France who also had 14 men for 35 minutes, and even went down to 13 men for 10 minutes. A good win against a poor, disjointed England team. I'm not sure there's any track record there for him. Agreed with you regarding the distribution but I guess Wales don't tend to play expansive anyway (which I think will be their downfall).

To be honest I actually wouldn't start him, I haven't been impressed with him for a while. LRZ and Adams are far better. He's a good bench option against tired bodies.
 
UlsterRugby2012 said:
Well against Ireland and Scotland he played against 14 for the vast majority of the time so he always had one man extra to defend with. A loss against France who also had 14 men for 35 minutes, and even went down to 13 men for 10 minutes. A good win against a poor, disjointed England team. I'm not sure there's any track record there for him. Agreed with you regarding the distribution but I guess Wales don't tend to play expansive anyway (which I think will be their downfall).

To be honest I actually wouldn't start him, I haven't been impressed with him for a while. LRZ and Adams are far better. He's a good bench option against tired bodies.
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I can't really remember what Ireland and Scotland did with their subs with regards to whether they left them selves short in the pack or in the backs, I'd have to check to be sure but I vaguely remember Ireland sacrificing a back? I'm not even sure he played against Scotland tbh.
 
To go full Rassie or not? That is the question.

I actually thought the knock down try decision was funny. Really shows where rugby is at the moment. Completely lost.

Hopefully they bring back the Bears and I can just kick on with league.

How trash are Wales? Aren't they the champions? With those decisions and at home against a second string Wallabies they still only win by 1. Bin water.

Who in international rugby is actually in form? Seems like no one right now.
 
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Derpus said:
I actually thought the knock down try decision was funny. Really shows where rugby is at the moment. Completely lost.
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I don't understand how anyone has an issue with this
The non-red I get, but this?
It very clearly went backwards - you're allowed to knock the ball backwards, always have been.
If you outlawed slapping the ball backwards then you'd have to outlaw most lineouts and boxkicks/Garryowens
 
TRF_Olyy said:
I don't understand how anyone has an issue with this
The non-red I get, but this?
It very clearly went backwards - you're allowed to knock the ball backwards, always have been.
If you outlawed slapping the ball backwards then you'd have to outlaw most lineouts and boxkicks/Garryowens
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Well setting aside that it didn't 'clearly go backwards' given they needed a TMO to figure that out, it's literally never, ever been officiated that way in that situation. That's why everyone just stopped and the Welsh player had a laugh. Every time that's happened to those players in every situation before the game has been called up.

Rugby really is tripping over its own feet left right and centre at the moment.

Maybe rugby really is just too complicated to be a proper, consistent professional sport.
 
Derpus said:
To go full Rassie or not? That is the question.

I actually thought the knock down try decision was funny. Really shows where rugby is at the moment. Completely lost.

Hopefully they bring back the Bears and I can just kick on with league.

How trash are Wales? Aren't they the champions? With those decisions and at home against a second string Wallabies they still only win by 1. Bin water.

Who in international rugby is actually in form? Seems like no one right now.
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Yeah, both of us had weakened teams out. Last years 6N games were all pretty close games. Any one of Scotland, England, France, Ireland and Wales can beat each other.

We do look a bit **** at the minute but we should have a few back for the 6N hopefully.
 
Derpus said:
Well setting aside that it didn't 'clearly go backwards' given they needed a TMO to figure that out, it's literally never, ever been officiated that way in that situation. That's why everyone just stopped and the Welsh player had a laugh. Every time that's happened to those players in every situation before the game has been called up.

Rugby really is tripping over its own feet left right and centre at the moment.

Maybe rugby really is just too complicated to be a proper, consistent professional sport.
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Yes it did and yes it has

People stopped because they thought he'd slapped it forwards - the referee said it went backwards, said as much at the time, and then the TMO confirmed
Play to the whistle, everyone stopping doesn't change what actually happened


What do you think he should have been called up for?
 
TRF_Olyy said:
Yes it did and yes it has

People stopped because they thought he'd slapped it forwards - the referee said it went backwards, said as much at the time, and then the TMO confirmed
Play to the whistle, everyone stopping doesn't change what actually happened


What do you think he should have been called up for?
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Intentional knock on. And no it hasn't? Maybe it's a north/south thing? No way that's play on here.

They'd only play on if it way very clearly a knock back (which it wasn't).

Also let's talk about the red. You can't make accidental head on head contact now? They should just strap little tags on the sides of the players and call it Oztag already.

And the yellow? He's clearly tackling him
I guess he shouldve done it in the process of scoring a try. Wouldve been fine then.

I used to love rugby but its turning into complete trash. It's just a reffing wheel of fortune - usually determined by who's playing at home.
 
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