Razor could easily be Deans 2.0. Certainly excelled with the Crusaders but, at the same time, have they really been challenged?
i dont think anyone is saying he is nailed on to win the RWC if he had been given the AB's job, just that he has performed at the two levels below, the same comps that feed to the AB's, so he's go more tangible qualifications that fozzie...which would matter less if the AB's we're doing well....but there has been a noticeable drop in lots aspects, result the most obvious
Agreed. Robertson has had great success with the Crusaders, but a monkey (and perhaps even Gatland) could have coached that Crusaders squad to their 6 ***les.
thats just not true, Blackadder had an even more impressive squad, including Reid, mccaw and DC and didn't win anything
The thing with this theory is it actually perfectly suits him to modern international rugby where selecting a coherent squad and the best players essential. That crusaders squad might be amazing, but it wasnt particularly performing before he got there, and at this point most of the guys in that team have been turned over multiple times with him handling the recruitment of the fresh faces who seem to step in without missing a beat.
This has always been a feature of the Crusaders system and the Crusaders success is more about their systems than any one person.
theyve only had 5 coaches (including people like deans and wayne smith, the latter one of the great rugby coaches of our time) so its hard to identify outliers, and the reality is...blackadder wasn't that bad, still made finals etc so he wasn't ******** the bed...its that final run that the great coaches have that good ones dont, turning finals appearances into ***les
Actually the vast majority of people shouting their heads off in support of razor one hundred percent think there is absolutely no way the all blacks wouldn't win the World Cup if he was the coach. Just read the thousands of comments on any stuff article. You might see some more rational views somewhere, but they are not the norm.
That's because Blackadder was a terrible coach for most of that time.
thats where we're going to have to disagree....i do not believe the stuff commenters are the norm or the majority, even facebook comments aren't as extreme as stuff comments, talking to actual people in the pub or sideline and i get a different vibe...still in favour of razor, but more a case of "he's done enough to earn a shot"
Well it's hard to know what the majority think. You have thousands of commenters on a newspaper article, but they are self selecting as the ones with strong views I guess, vs the twenty or so youve talked to at the pub who might represent more normal people but the sample size is much less. Anyway I much prefer your interpretation. If you just take this forum it's probably 50 50 between reasoned views (still generally in favour of razor over fizzle) and impassioned idolization of razor that at times borders on insanity.
a few more than 20, im on another more NZ focused forum and that is definitely in favour of razor but still not a case of all our problems will be fixed with him. I would say that even a lot of those that are militant razor fans...its more a case of it would be better than fozzie...rather than make that one change and we beat everyone easily
This goes without saying. Clearly international rugby is a different kettle of fish and there's no guarantees on anything but you take that risk even with a coach who has international experience so it goes without saying. Robertson could obviously be a flop but when you look at the wealth of comments from players inside and outside of NZ about his man management, plus his winning record etc, leads me to think he'd be absolutely fine. Wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong though.
I think we saw signs of it in his first season then he completely backtracked. I think it was at that point he probably lost a bit of respect from a lot of the players.
