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So with the Christmas derbies finished, and the 6 nations quickly approaching us, how do you see the Welsh team lining up against Ireland?

With a few casualties from the World Cup still out of action, there's a few positions up for grabs imo. There's also question-marks around the fitness of Faletau (supposedly not serious luckily), and Warburton. Here's what I think:

01 Gethin Jenkins There's a temptation to start building for the next WC, and as Jenkins turned 35 in November, he's not got long left. But with the next best option, Paul James, also long in the tooth at 33, and Rob Evans/Nicky Smith still works in progress; it makes sense imo to keep Jenkins around for a little while longer as they develop. Rob Evans and Nicky Smith should both be given plenty of game time in the 6 nations, with them taking over from Jenkins/James in the medium term. Rhys Gill is another option, but one which will gain traction if he returns to play in Wales as expected next season.

02 Scott Baldwin Ken Owens is getting back close to his best, but Baldwin has done nothing wrong to merit being dropped.

03 Samson Lee He was far from fully fit during the WC, so it's be a big boost to see him back playing well. Tomas Francis will continue as his understudy, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Rhodri Jones back involved with the squad following his lengthy injury.

04 Luke Charteris Another player who at 32, probably won't make the next WC, although not out of the question. With Ball likely missing the 6 nations, it's a shoot-out between Charteris and Bradley Davies, and I feel we're better balanced with Charteris. We need to blood some younger players here, so I'd expect to see Rory Thornton or Lloyd Ashley involved with the squad.

05 Alun-Wyn Jones No explanation necessary, world class.

06 Dan Lydiate/Sam Warburton With question marks around Warburton's fitness, it's great to see Lydiate in such fine form. He's really added a carrying threat to his defensive prowess. If Sam if fit, I'd still like to see the dual openside combo really tested.

07 Justin Tipuric He's just pure class. Fully deserves a starting place, and could help to re-ignite Wales' faltering attack.

08 Taulupe Faletau Picked up a minor (hopefully) injury, but is expected to be fit for the 6 nations. Still no clear backup, with Dan Baker slipping behind James King (who's really a blindside) in the Ospreys pecking order. Ross Moriarty is the other candidate, who will likely be part of the squad, but he's still a work in progress. At least there are some options emerging though...

09 Gareth Davies Back to his best against the Blues, and with Webb in a race against time to be fit, Gareth Davies should start v Ireland. If Webb is fit in time, then great, but he won't be match fit, and would need a few games for the Ospreys under his belt before being thrown back into the deep end.

10 Dan Biggar
Nailed on starter. There's a few options emerging below him, on top of Rhys Priestland's change of heart. Sam Davies is improving, and showed good character after a few slips v Dragons. Patchell has all the raw ingredients, but needs a run at 10, and needs to cut out some of the mistakes that creep into his game. Owen Williams at the Tigers would be a good squad option, given his ability to cover center as well.

11 Tom James/Eli Walker I don't want Cuthbert anywhere near the squad, and whilst James has plenty of weaknesses, his work-rate and attacking ability make up for them. Plus he has less weaknesses than Cuthbert. Hanno Dirksen and Ashton Hewitt are currently also better options than Cuthbert!

12 Jamie Roberts I'd really like to see us experimenting a little in the centers in an attempt to add more creativity to our back line, but with Scott Williams, Ashley Beck and Tyler Morgan out injured, we have little other options atm, so that'll have to wait. Owen Williams could be a viable option at inside center, as a second five eights type of player, but that should wait.

13 Jonathan Davies Will be great to have him back. Such an important cog in both attack and defense.

14 George North Still under performing, but hopefully with his concussion woes behind him, he can start rediscovering some form. Worth persevering with, unlike Cuthbert.

15 Matthew Morgan This is our biggest area of concern atm. Halfpenny will definitely be out, and even if Liam Williams is fit, he shouldn't be rushed back like he was for the WC. Anscombe is also crocked atm. That leaves us a little thin. Some will point to Dan Evans' form for the Ospreys, but whilst a fine regional player, I don't think he's international standard. Other options could be Rhys Patchell or shifting someone like Sam Davies out of position, but I don't think either are viable. Morgan has international experience at fullback, and should add an attacking spark from the back.
 
Great post. i agree with pretty much all of your choices. i think we might see a lydiate/tipuric/king back row as there is no news as to how severe warby and falatau's injuries are. out wide i would go with Tom James, although isnt he around 30? in 4 years time at the age of 34 i doubt gatland will be thinking of selecting him for the world cup over the other youngsters who will be in their prime by then. its not the end of the world if we do not win the six nations (blasphemous right?) at the expense of building a new look squad. its just a question of whether gatland will start now or wait a couple of years. dirkson or walker could be given a shot at international level, maybe for the italy/scotland games
 
I probably wouldn't disagree with that line-up. One or two points (and please forgive any errors, am not in Wales so haven't quite got my finger on the pulse!):-

1. Love what Gethin does but the scrum will still be a concern - if he gets carded, will Gats persevere in future games? James has had a few starts over Gethin, so maybe it's just a case of deciding who is the more appropriate player for each game?

7. Hard to see what more Tips can do to nail on a starting berth!

8. Quite like the look of Moriarty, plenty of character anyway....

9. Hopefully Davies's decision-making will continue to develop - for example, Webb might have made a difference against the 13-men Aussies at the RWC, but Gareth seemed to be a bit one-dimensional. Lloyd Williams as reserve, probably has a bit of credit with Gats after his contribution against England in the RWC?

10. Gats always seemed to like Priestland so maybe will keep him as first reserve? He's looked a bit more conifdent in recent Wales games, albeit as a sub. Might also be the new Hook, i.e. a flexible option as (reserve) full-back...?

11. Still feel sorry for Cuthbert and some OTT comments from some quarters will hardly help a lad who is clearly a confidence player. Okay, he may be somewhat limited in certain areas, but 3 years ago the team seemed to play to his strengths - but recently they just won't feed him the right passes (and have left him exposed defensively). Maybe a few more tries might be all he needs to come out of his shell again? That being said, I like the look of Walker - something a bit different. Plus, where's Hallam Amos at the moment?

12/13. Is Cory Allen available?

14. George is due a big 6N, the last couple (and the RWC) have been pretty lacklustre by his standards. A performance in Dublin like that in 2012 would be nice!

15. I do like the look of Anscombe a lot, but would be happy to see Morgan get a chance (seemed a bit harsh to play him against the enormous Fijians but then no more real action?). As long as he doesn't try anything silly in his own 22......Plus, maybe I've missed something but are we assuming that Hook has played his last game for Wales?

The big plus point from the RWC was the fact that fringe players got more game time than they expected, hopefully giving them the experience and confidence that will be needed this year and beyond.....
 
12/13. Is Cory Allen available?

He is available but i assume he will just be bench cover for davies/roberts. i cannot see gatland moving away from that combination as we do not have much choice at the moment, its a shame scott williams is injured.

15. I do like the look of Anscombe a lot, but would be happy to see Morgan get a chance (seemed a bit harsh to play him against the enormous Fijians but then no more real action?). As long as he doesn't try anything silly in his own 22......Plus, maybe I've missed something but are we assuming that Hook has played his last game for Wales?

The big plus point from the RWC was the fact that fringe players got more game time than they expected, hopefully giving them the experience and confidence that will be needed this year and beyond.....

I think hooky will get called up but only as a bench utility player. getting only a couple of minutes each game
 
Certainly is a shame about Scott Williams, probably one of Wales' best players last year. He has a similar problem to Tipuric: brilliant player with the misfortune to have to compete with established world-class players in the same position. Still, whenever either comes off the bench, there's always that feeling of "something good's gonna happen....."
 
Tipuric: brilliant player with the misfortune to have to compete with established world-class players in the same position. Still, whenever either comes off the bench, there's always that feeling of "something good's gonna happen....."

yea that is a bonus, if it was the other way round i cant see lydiate/warburton changing a game when they come on. he certainly has more of an impact from the bench so perhaps that works against him starting
 
out wide i would go with Tom James, although isnt he around 30? in 4 years time at the age of 34 i doubt gatland will be thinking of selecting him for the world cup over the other youngsters who will be in their prime by then. its not the end of the world if we do not win the six nations (blasphemous right?) at the expense of building a new look squad. its just a question of whether gatland will start now or wait a couple of years. dirkson or walker could be given a shot at international level, maybe for the italy/scotland games

Tom James is actually 28, seems like he's been around forever! So he's probably good till the next WC.

Saying that, I wouldn't be against Walker/Dirksen. I like both, but I think Walker has an x-factor Dirksen is missing. Dirksen's attitude is great though.

Hewitt is an exciting prospect, but plenty to learn yet. Amos will be up there when he returns. I'm also still hoping that we haven't seen the last of Jordan Williams, and that his stint in the 7's team get's his hunger back.
 
Tom James is actually 28, seems like he's been around forever! So he's probably good till the next WC.

ah thats not too bad then. if he can keep his form up in the next few games for the blues then he surely has to at least make the extended squad. id take north, cutherbert (well i wouldnt but you know its going to happen anyways) Tom James and either walker or dirksen, a this stage probably dirksen as walker is bound to get injured before then. No idea how he has had so many injuries. the downside to this is none of those wingers can also play 15, so that means priestland/morgan/hook are battling for 15, assuming anscombe is not fit. i hope he is though as he has shown glimpses of class when he has played
 
ah thats not too bad then. if he can keep his form up in the next few games for the blues then he surely has to at least make the extended squad. id take north, cutherbert (well i wouldnt but you know its going to happen anyways) Tom James and either walker or dirksen, a this stage probably dirksen as walker is bound to get injured before then. No idea how he has had so many injuries. the downside to this is none of those wingers can also play 15, so that means priestland/morgan/hook are battling for 15, assuming anscombe is not fit. i hope he is though as he has shown glimpses of class when he has played

I really hope Cuthbert isn't anywhere near the squad. What does he bring to the table atm? He's barely visible in games (I didn't realise he was playing till the 65th minute against the Scarlets), other than when he's making mistakes in either attack or defence. He's always been a liability in defence/under the high ball, but at least he was prominent in attack and scoring tries.

Garland tried to play Priestland back into form, it doesn't work on the international stage not when a players' confidence is shot and their head is down. Let him re-gain his confidence at the blues.
 
So with the Christmas derbies finished, and the 6 nations quickly approaching us, how do you see the Welsh team lining up against Ireland?

With a few casualties from the World Cup still out of action, there's a few positions up for grabs imo. There's also question-marks around the fitness of Faletau (supposedly not serious luckily), and Warburton. Here's what I think:

01 Gethin Jenkins There's a temptation to start building for the next WC, and as Jenkins turned 35 in November, he's not got long left. But with the next best option, Paul James, also long in the tooth at 33, and Rob Evans/Nicky Smith still works in progress; it makes sense imo to keep Jenkins around for a little while longer as they develop. Rob Evans and Nicky Smith should both be given plenty of game time in the 6 nations, with them taking over from Jenkins/James in the medium term. Rhys Gill is another option, but one which will gain traction if he returns to play in Wales as expected next season.

02 Scott Baldwin Ken Owens is getting back close to his best, but Baldwin has done nothing wrong to merit being dropped.

03 Samson Lee He was far from fully fit during the WC, so it's be a big boost to see him back playing well. Tomas Francis will continue as his understudy, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Rhodri Jones back involved with the squad following his lengthy injury.

04 Luke Charteris Another player who at 32, probably won't make the next WC, although not out of the question. With Ball likely missing the 6 nations, it's a shoot-out between Charteris and Bradley Davies, and I feel we're better balanced with Charteris. We need to blood some younger players here, so I'd expect to see Rory Thornton or Lloyd Ashley involved with the squad.

05 Alun-Wyn Jones No explanation necessary, world class.

06 Dan Lydiate/Sam Warburton With question marks around Warburton's fitness, it's great to see Lydiate in such fine form. He's really added a carrying threat to his defensive prowess. If Sam if fit, I'd still like to see the dual openside combo really tested.

07 Justin Tipuric He's just pure class. Fully deserves a starting place, and could help to re-ignite Wales' faltering attack.

08 Taulupe Faletau Picked up a minor (hopefully) injury, but is expected to be fit for the 6 nations. Still no clear backup, with Dan Baker slipping behind James King (who's really a blindside) in the Ospreys pecking order. Ross Moriarty is the other candidate, who will likely be part of the squad, but he's still a work in progress. At least there are some options emerging though...

09 Gareth Davies Back to his best against the Blues, and with Webb in a race against time to be fit, Gareth Davies should start v Ireland. If Webb is fit in time, then great, but he won't be match fit, and would need a few games for the Ospreys under his belt before being thrown back into the deep end.

10 Dan Biggar
Nailed on starter. There's a few options emerging below him, on top of Rhys Priestland's change of heart. Sam Davies is improving, and showed good character after a few slips v Dragons. Patchell has all the raw ingredients, but needs a run at 10, and needs to cut out some of the mistakes that creep into his game. Owen Williams at the Tigers would be a good squad option, given his ability to cover center as well.

11 Tom James/Eli Walker I don't want Cuthbert anywhere near the squad, and whilst James has plenty of weaknesses, his work-rate and attacking ability make up for them. Plus he has less weaknesses than Cuthbert. Hanno Dirksen and Ashton Hewitt are currently also better options than Cuthbert!

12 Jamie Roberts I'd really like to see us experimenting a little in the centers in an attempt to add more creativity to our back line, but with Scott Williams, Ashley Beck and Tyler Morgan out injured, we have little other options atm, so that'll have to wait. Owen Williams could be a viable option at inside center, as a second five eights type of player, but that should wait.

13 Jonathan Davies Will be great to have him back. Such an important cog in both attack and defense.

14 George North Still under performing, but hopefully with his concussion woes behind him, he can start rediscovering some form. Worth persevering with, unlike Cuthbert.

15 Matthew Morgan This is our biggest area of concern atm. Halfpenny will definitely be out, and even if Liam Williams is fit, he shouldn't be rushed back like he was for the WC. Anscombe is also crocked atm. That leaves us a little thin. Some will point to Dan Evans' form for the Ospreys, but whilst a fine regional player, I don't think he's international standard. Other options could be Rhys Patchell or shifting someone like Sam Davies out of position, but I don't think either are viable. Morgan has international experience at fullback, and should add an attacking spark from the back.
Not much to disagree with in your choices, Eli over James for me every day and I'd be looking at Dirksen as well and in preference to James, Sam Davies merits a place on the bench which is where I would put Mat Morgan I see him as a broken game player coming on in the last 20, if Liam Williams and Anscombe aren't a 100% I would go with Hooky.
Whatever squad we see on matchday 1, we will start the 6N with a stronger squad than we did the WC.

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ah thats not too bad then. if he can keep his form up in the next few games for the blues then he surely has to at least make the extended squad. id take north, cutherbert (well i wouldnt but you know its going to happen anyways) Tom James and either walker or dirksen, a this stage probably dirksen as walker is bound to get injured before then. No idea how he has had so many injuries. the downside to this is none of those wingers can also play 15, so that means priestland/morgan/hook are battling for 15, assuming anscombe is not fit. i hope he is though as he has shown glimpses of class when he has played

Please God not Priestland

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I really hope Cuthbert isn't anywhere near the squad. What does he bring to the table atm? He's barely visible in games (I didn't realise he was playing till the 65th minute against the Scarlets), other than when he's making mistakes in either attack or defence. He's always been a liability in defence/under the high ball, but at least he was prominent in attack and scoring tries.

Garland tried to play Priestland back into form, it doesn't work on the international stage not when a players' confidence is shot and their head is down. Let him re-gain his confidence at the blues.
Cuthbert and Priestland should be fighting it out to be the water boy that's the only time I want either on the pitch.
 
Not much to disagree with in your choices, Eli over James for me every day and I'd be looking at Dirksen as well and in preference to James, Sam Davies merits a place on the bench which is where I would put Mat Morgan I see him as a broken game player coming on in the last 20, if Liam Williams and Anscombe aren't a 100% I would go with Hooky.
Whatever squad we see on matchday 1, we will start the 6N with a stronger squad than we did the WC.

Cuthbert and Priestland should be fighting it out to be the water boy that's the only time I want either on the pitch.

I'd be very happy to see Walker start, but I don't think he's quite back to here he was pre injuries. I keep hoping to see him have mire impact for the Ospreys in open field, but he's not quite beating defenders like he was. He knows his way to the try-live though, and I believe he's got a big future if he can stay fit.

I disagree re Hooky. I kept believing in him for a long while, but I haven't seen him do anything of note for Wales in many a year. Some point to his lack of game time, but plenty of other players cone off the bench and have an impact. Someone a while ago stated that until his first movement with the ball stops being sideways, he won't be a threat at international level, and I agree. For Wales he always gets tackled behind the gainline, or isolated, because he virtually never runs direct lines. He's become easy to read for defences, but very difficult to play alongside.

He's never been an international standard fullback imo. Too slow, and doesn't have a big enough boot to make up for it. He doesn't enter the line with conviction either instead he tries to slot into the backline as a first receiver, and that isn't what you want from your fullback imo. Lee Byrne was a prime example of what you want from a fullback, scanning the defence for weaknesses, and timing his run and picking an angle which exploits said weakness. Liam Williams also does this well, Halfpenny less so.

As for Priestland, I do think he's improved of late. He looks to have got some confidence back. But I think both Sam Davies and Owen Williams are more deserving, and Patchell has more potential with some similar weaknesses atm. Gareth Anscombe needs properly testing at both regional and international level.
 
How Wales play the big games under pressure will be the key as to whether they can lift the trophy.
They have enough to roll over the weaker teams, the big games will be key.
Notably Ireland and England.
 
How Wales play the big games under pressure will be the key as to whether they can lift the trophy.
They have enough to roll over the weaker teams, the big games will be key.
Notably Ireland and England.

agreed. ive got a feeling we'll be caught cold in the first round AGAIN. hopefully thats not the case though
 
agreed. ive got a feeling we'll be caught cold in the first round AGAIN. hopefully thats not the case though

If we beat Ireland then we win the Grand Slam I think.
If we lose to ireland we'll come fourth.

But Ireland are gash, so grand slam it is.
 
If we beat Ireland then we win the Grand Slam I think.
If we lose to ireland we'll come fourth.

But Ireland are gash, so grand slam it is.

they certainly didnt end last year on a high note but honestly who knows. even if we do lose the first game we could end up doing well, its happened the last few years. although hopefully this time we hit the ground running. if we do win i cant see it being a decisive victory, maybe by one score unless we suddenly start playing with ridiculous speed and skill like Argentina did
 
Squad announced today, isn't it?

Will there be any surprise inclusions?

I think we'll see Sam Davies in ahead of Priestland, with Anscombe there as 2nd/3rd choice 10. Patchell could also be there of thereabouts, that pass to set up Fish's try on the weekend was a beaut, shows what he's capable of, but I think he'll have yo bide his time.

Eliot Dee is another I think may make the squad as 3rd choice.

Lastly, I think we may see one of Jenkins or James miss out at loosehead, with Gats making room for Evans & Smith.

Thornton or Ashley should fill the 4th lock spot, which one I'm not sure. Gat's obviously has a lot of time for Thornton.

Otherwise the squad almost picks itself, so I don't see any completely out of the blue bolters, but you never know with Gats.
 
Squad announced today, isn't it?

Will there be any surprise inclusions?

I think we'll see Sam Davies in ahead of Priestland, with Anscombe there as 2nd/3rd choice 10. Patchell could also be there of thereabouts, that pass to set up Fish's try on the weekend was a beaut, shows what he's capable of, but I think he'll have yo bide his time.

Eliot Dee is another I think may make the squad as 3rd choice.

Lastly, I think we may see one of Jenkins or James miss out at loosehead, with Gats making room for Evans & Smith.

Thornton or Ashley should fill the 4th lock spot, which one I'm not sure. Gat's obviously has a lot of time for Thornton.

Otherwise the squad almost picks itself, so I don't see any completely out of the blue bolters, but you never know with Gats.

im expecting to see sam davies selected too but the only thing that makes me uneasy about it is that ospreys would be royally messed up without their 2 10's, although gatland shouldnt really care about this im betting we'll see anscombe and maybe patchell covering 10/15. Davies really does deserve the call up though

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And the Welsh call the English arrogant ......

you are on a post about the welsh squad lol. we do seem to be labeled as favorites although im not convinced until we play that first game
 
And the Welsh call the English arrogant ......

And you think all the Welsh post under this one username? Don't take it personally fella, there's people like this supporting every country.

Anywho, back on topic...there's plenty of exciting young players I'd like to see involved with the Wales squad so hoping for a few surprises this year, though it may be too soon for many I guess. Been impressed with Sam Davies, Ashton Hewitt and Lloyd Ashley in particular. If Dan Lydiate or Warburton is still a doubt then I'd also wonder if Ellis Jenkins could be worth a shout - been playing pretty well for the Blues recently.

Back three is our combined 'problem position' this year it seems but there's quite a few contenders. Dan Evans, Anscombe, Amos and Liam Williams are all solid choices for sure at FB. Tom James is almost a certainty too but I wonder who's place he would take - North or Cuthbert's?
 
Here we go...

Forwards:
Rob Evans, Paul James, Gethin Jenkins, Tomas Francis, Aaron Jarvis, Samson Lee, Scott Baldwin, Kristian Dacey, Ken Owens, Jake Ball, Luke Charteris, Bradley Davies, Dominic Day, Alun Wyn Jones, Josh Turnbull, Taulupe Faletau, James King, Dan Lydiate, Ross Moriarty, Justin Tipuric, Sam Warburton (C)

Backs:
Aled Davies, Gareth Davies, Lloyd Williams, Dan Biggar, Rhys Priestland, Cory Allen, Jonathan Davies, Tyler Morgan, Jamie Roberts, Hallam Amos, Alex Cuthbert, Tom James, George North, Gareth Anscombe, Matthew Morgan, Liam Williams
 
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