Transfers rumours

[gaston le gaff]

you should not be asking for things like that!!!!!!!!!!!! you have made your choice now you have to live with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I chose Montpellier, well in fact they chose me, so i am in exactly the same situation as you are my friend, the only difference is we are not asking!!!!!!!! SORRY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

Rémy Talès to Racing. With Sexton signing for 4 years with Leinster at the start of next season, Racing has already approached the int'l FH and apparently offered him 400k per year. He's probably not worth quite that much, but quality FH's are a rarity today.

But the man is nearly as old as I am! I suppose he is good back up to the goose. Maybe my first inclination is unfair.

 

[Big Ewis]

Does Selponi have some Italian ancestry perhaps?

no, I think way back his ancestors just invented a really weird surname...you know, just for the fk of it. jk

We need at least 15....................any chance of your 1stXV?

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you should not be asking for things like that!!!!!!!!!!!! you have made your choice now you have to live with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I chose Montpellier, well in fact they chose me, so i am in exactly the same situation as you are my friend, the only difference is we are not asking!!!!!!!! SORRY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what a......what a bizaaarre concept....

But the man is nearly as old as I am! I suppose he is good back up to the goose. Maybe my first inclination is unfair.

Talès is better than ppl think. He's just got his good days and his bad days. And haha, I'm quite sure he'd be the starting 10 if he came at very least in light of the salary Macing Retro would be offering him.

For the fk of it, last year's (can't find this year's) highest paid players in the Top 14:

1 / Jonny Wilkinson (RC Toulon) : 56 000 € par mois
2 / Jonathan Sexton (Racing Métro) : 52 000 € par mois
3 / Bryan Habana (RC Toulon) : 50 000 € par mois
4 / Morgan Parra (ASM) : 46 000 € par mois
5 / Thierry Dusautoir (Stade Toulousain) : 43 000 € par mois
6 / Dimitri Szarzewski (Racing Métro) : 41 000 € par mois
Carl Hayman (RC Toulon) : 41 000 € par mois
Bakkies Botha (RC Toulon) : 41 000 € par mois
9 / Jamie Roberts (Racing Métro) : 40 000 € par mois
Matt Giteau (RC Toulon) : 40 000 € par mois

Interesting how many times RC Toulon appears. Boudjellal is pure legit.

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

Talès is better than ppl think. He's just got his good days and his bad days. And haha, I'm quite sure he'd be the starting 10 if he came at very least in light of the salary Macing Retro would be offering him.

For the fk of it, last year's (can't find this year's) highest paid players in the Top 14:

1 / Jonny Wilkinson (RC Toulon) : 56 000 € par mois
2 / Jonathan Sexton (Racing Métro) : 52 000 € par mois
3 / Bryan Habana (RC Toulon) : 50 000 € par mois
4 / Morgan Parra (ASM) : 46 000 € par mois
5 / Thierry Dusautoir (Stade Toulousain) : 43 000 € par mois
6 / Dimitri Szarzewski (Racing Métro) : 41 000 € par mois
Carl Hayman (RC Toulon) : 41 000 € par mois
Bakkies Botha (RC Toulon) : 41 000 € par mois
9 / Jamie Roberts (Racing Métro) : 40 000 € par mois
Matt Giteau (RC Toulon) : 40 000 € par mois

Interesting how many times RC Toulon appears. Boudjellal is pure legit.

I love Habana more than most (shouldn't come as a surprise) but a wing as the 3rd highest paid player? That to me seems bizarre. 3,5,9,10,2,7,13 in that order are the positions where I'd be willing to fork out with wing dead last.

I'd be very disappointed if Goosen didn't get the cheetah's share of the time at 10 though they may play him off the bench simply because of his ability to cover 15 as well and might be seeing him as an 'impact player'.

 

[Big Ewis]

for me Tighthead prop and Flyhalf are the most precious commodities which should be priced the highest. Obviously the 10 thing seems to be realized here looking at that list with Wilko and Sexton, and even Parra who's really a playmaking 9. But just Hayman on the list for THs.

And your surprise about Habana appearing so high on the list, don't forget this is crazy Boudjellal's bidding. Surely, Bakkies Botha isn't worth THAT much, nor Wilko 56k. He'll just buy off players with ridiculous salaries to make sure they come, just because he can; so the figures are disproportionate and distorted relatively to the "standard market values".
And for Sexton, same thing. He's not worth that much in ordinary terms, and most, MOST certainly not worth that much considering the Top 14 form he's assumed. It's just a blockbuster move, an offer he couldn't refuse to get him out of Leinster. There's no way Wilkinson or Sexton are worth that much more than, say, Talès, Trinh-Duc, Brock James or Urdapilleta, who don't even figure in the Top 10.

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

for me Tighthead prop and Flyhalf are the most precious commodities which should be priced the highest. Obviously the 10 thing seems to be realized here looking at that list with Wilko and Sexton, and even Parra who's really a playmaking 9. But just Hayman on the list for THs.

And your surprise about Habana appearing so high on the list, don't forget this is crazy Boudjellal's bidding. Surely, Bakkies Botha isn't worth THAT much, nor Wilko 56k. He'll just buy off players with ridiculous salaries to make sure they come, just because he can; so the figures are disproportionate and distorted relatively to the "standard market values".
And for Sexton, same thing. He's not worth that much in ordinary terms, and most, MOST certainly not worth that much considering the Top 14 form he's assumed. It's just a blockbuster move, an offer he couldn't refuse to get him out of Leinster. There's no way Wilkinson or Sexton are worth that much more than, say, Talès, Trinh-Duc, Brock James or Urdapilleta, who don't even figure in the Top 10.

Yes, sure I can understand the big spenders skew the market but Boudjellal must be near to being off his rocker to throw that amount of money to the likes of Habana and Botha. As for what positions people see as important that is a very interesting thread... which I will start right now in the General Rugby thread.

 

[welshglory]

And for Sexton, same thing. He's not worth that much in ordinary terms, and most, MOST certainly not worth that much considering the Top 14 form he's assumed. It's just a blockbuster move, an offer he couldn't refuse to get him out of Leinster. There's no way Wilkinson or Sexton are worth that much more than, say, Talès, Trinh-Duc, Brock James or Urdapilleta, who don't even figure in the Top 10.

Yea... Completely Disagree about Wilko. Brock James? You serious bro?

Wilkinson has been a ***an for Toulon, his salary is worth every penny, much more than any 10 in europe never mind the Top 14.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Dunno if it's been mentioned here all ready, but I heard that Genia is going to Japan after the RWC, not Bath, so Bath are going for Rory Kockott instead.

 

[Big Ewis]

Yea... Completely Disagree about Wilko. Brock James? You serious bro?

Wilkinson has been a ***an for Toulon, his salary is worth every penny, much more than any 10 in europe never mind the Top 14.

James is a very solid 10. As for "being serious", you should've completed your question and asked me what I was serious about. On the same level as Wilkinson, I'm guessing you insinuated I was implying (boy, that was complicated...), nope. Nobody in the world believes that. That list I made with Talès til Urdapilleta is a list of guys who aren't too far off of either Wilko or Sexton's calibers. Not that Sexton is of Wilko's caliber himself, in the Top 14 at least.
What I'm saying is all four of those guys there do not deserve to be so far behind Wilko/Sexton salary wise, because they're not that far behind with their play on the field. FTD especially.

Like, Carl Hayman is that much better than, say, Census Johnston at TH, that he should be way ahead salary wise. That's fair.

But Wilko or Sexton being that high on the list, and FTD or Tales or Urdapilleta not even in sight means something, it's not innocent or based on merit alone. They've obviously benefited from a certain prestige status, being B&I Lion players, Sexton having to be ripped away from his former club; enormous Top 14 budgets would surely pay an astronomical price to land them in their newly rich clubs. There's a certain aura that surrounds a Jonny Sexton that adds a considerable value to him, and wtvr Urdapilleta's salary is, it's unfair compared to Sexton's (or Sexton's is way too inflated) and in terms of their actual games, the salaries do not draw an accurate picture of how good they both are respectively.

As for Wilko, he's one of the players I respect the most, TRF knows that by now, but a 10 can only do so much. He did his job very well, but especially at his age last year, he didn't deserve to have that much higher a salary than a Trinh-Duc or Urdapilleta. It's his prestige status and Toulon's sultan-like culture that have got him 56k.

 

[welshglory]

I think it's because they've been proven to lead and direct teams structurally and directly through their on field actions to victory. Maybe not so much Sexton with his performances with Racing, but certainly Wilko.

How many championships/trophies has James cost ASM again? Sure hes good for most of the season, but when it comes down to it he chokes when it matters. Wilko does not. That's why he gets paid the big bucks brother

 

[Peat]

As for Wilko, he's one of the players I respect the most, TRF knows that by now, but a 10 can only do so much. He did his job very well, but especially at his age last year, he didn't deserve to have that much higher a salary than a Trinh-Duc or Urdapilleta. It's his prestige status and Toulon's sultan-like culture that have got him 56k.

Judging by the chat, Wilko wasn't just there as a 10. He was a leader, the sort of influence who can get extra out of his team mates in training just by being there and being himself. That's got to be factored into what they thought he was worth - there are very few players who can walk in and influence those around them like that.

 

[welshglory]

Judging by the chat, Wilko wasn't just there as a 10. He was a leader, the sort of influence who can get extra out of his team mates in training just by being there and being himself. That's got to be factored into what they thought he was worth - there are very few players who can walk in and influence those around them like that.

This as well.

He is an icon. A leader on and off the field. A real professional. He lifts the team.

Sexton well... He was seen as probably the 2nd or 3rd beat 10 in the world just before he signed and he was putting in pretty good performances for Leinster. It would have been interesting to have seen what he could have done at a club like Toulouse or ASM.

 

[munstermuffin]

This as well.

He is an icon. A leader on and off the field. A real professional. He lifts the team.

Sexton well... He was seen as probably the 2nd or 3rd beat 10 in the world just before he signed and he was putting in pretty good performances for Leinster. It would have been interesting to have seen what he could have done at a club like Toulouse or ASM.

Sexton will have that presence and respect in Leinster though. I think he's a bit of a prick. (Me being Munster and all). But he is supposedly a hard worker in training and great speaker that can lift team.

 

[Big Ewis]

I think it's because they've been proven to lead and direct teams structurally and directly through their on field actions to victory. Maybe not so much Sexton with his performances with Racing, but certainly Wilko.

How many championships/trophies has James cost ASM again? Sure hes good for most of the season, but when it comes down to it he chokes when it matters. Wilko does not. That's why he gets paid the big bucks brother

well leave Brock James aside, he's got his ups and downs for sure, but there are those others...and Wilko certainly does show up when it counts, no doubt.

Judging by the chat, Wilko wasn't just there as a 10. He was a leader, the sort of influence who can get extra out of his team mates in training just by being there and being himself. That's got to be factored into what they thought he was worth - there are very few players who can walk in and influence those around them like that.

for sure. And I have praised him for that many times, the intangibles he brought.
My point still stands though, I do know Wilko quite well and his many qualities, I've been an avid Toulon watcher for the past 2, 3 years; I'm just saying the gulf betw. his salary, and a Trinh-Duc or Urdapilleta is disproportionate.

Sexton well... He was seen as probably the 2nd or 3rd beat 10 in the world just before he signed and he was putting in pretty good performances for Leinster. It would have been interesting to have seen what he could have done at a club like Toulouse or ASM.

probably very good, but he is a bit overrated anyways. He does his job most of the time for Racing, but hasn't been brilliant kicking for penalty for e.g., is good on attack but he's no Giteau and no Trinh-Duc or I'd even make the argument no Benjamin Urdapilleta who are all nothing short of brilliant at animating their back-lines and creating space themselves. Sexton is this really good academically sound no.10 who gets the job done, but he's got a very linear, rigid game that sometimes lacks imagination.
I was just re-watching a Montypellier Racing from last season some days ago, and he got outplayed by Trinh-Duc. TD was the perfect metronome, but throwing those spot-on no looks to teammates the entire match, direction-changing reverse passes, stepping, beating defenders...while kicking in all his penalties, finding brilliant touches. Sexton was good but just...Sexton. He sometimes looks flat.

I'd rather have him than Talès for France for e.g., but he's always looked "rigid" to me. He's surely one of the world's best, but his adventure in France must weigh in for something, and I'm not just talking about the drama, but on the field he hasn't been one of the best in the Top 14 even, let alone the world.

 

[welshglory]

For what it's worth i don't rate Sexton all that highly.

Back on Wilko there is no other 10 in the top 14 that has as much importance to his team than him, maybe FTD in the past few years. His whole package is worth a bucket load of money. I wish some of the young promising Welsh flyhalves could get sprinkled some Wilko star dust, as good as they are every single one doesn't have the nerve as he does.

 

[big ginger 8]

You guys have no idea how much willpower it is taking to not go on a massive tirade about how wrong you are about Sexton.

 

[munstermuffin]

You guys have no idea how much willpower it is taking to not go on a massive tirade about how wrong you are about Sexton.

Be the bigger man now Crazy Eyes

 

[TheSaffycen]

With what players are worth I agree that it all comes down too the big games. The whole knock out stages of the HCup he doesn't miss a kick and the money he won Toulon and the publicity he was probably worth it. He brought alot of attention too Toulon and that was needed at the time too get Toulon on the big stage.
That's what will interest me with the FTD, Urdapilleta, Giteau, Wisniewski if they can do it when it matters. I remember watching FTD against Racing when they were down too 14 men and he was just incredible, world class in everything he did, but will he hold his nerve when it gets too the big stage ? It's easy too look great when you are at the start of the season and not alot rides on these games but when you have to get that kick to win, when your season rides on this one kick off the tee, you know why Boudjellal pays the 56,000

 

[Tony Manx]

With what players are worth I agree that it all comes down too the big games. The whole knock out stages of the HCup he doesn't miss a kick and the money he won Toulon and the publicity he was probably worth it. He brought alot of attention too Toulon and that was needed at the time too get Toulon on the big stage.
That's what will interest me with the FTD, Urdapilleta, Giteau, Wisniewski if they can do it when it matters. I remember watching FTD against Racing when they were down too 14 men and he was just incredible, world class in everything he did, but will he hold his nerve when it gets too the big stage ? It's easy too look great when you are at the start of the season and not alot rides on these games but when you have to get that kick to win, when your season rides on this one kick off the tee, you know why Boudjellal pays the 56,000

While I can see where you are coming from, I do think that Giteau has proved himself over and over again such that he does not need to do it anymore and he is the ideal replacement for the irreplaceable JW!

I reckon Sexton is under rated here.....unfortunately, he moved to a side that was almost a completely new squad with new management and he had an almost "mission impossible" with Racing last year...........JW was not GREAT when he went to Toulon until Laporte arrived and built a TEAM rather than a load of individuals and a system of playing.

Sexton needs same team and system to work with to show his undoubted talent and with Leinster and Ireland he has had that and has performed very well particularly with his wrap around moves....OK, he has missed some kicks but he is still relatively young and I think O'Gara has helped him with that.

I expect him to move up a notch next season when he gets back home and do not rule out him doing well with Racing who are a wee bit more settled this year!!

 

[Tony Manx]

Giteau.....Toulon to Racing according to French papers (say Sky)!!