Transfers rumours

[munstermuffin]

Once we get Sexton back he's all yours.

Heard last night this move will be hugely dependant on if private investment is allowed help as Leinster supposed to be worst than Munster and Ulster financially. Will be very interesting to see what happens though

 

[Groundhog]

Ill throw in a fiver to see Leinster make a line break again. I miss those things.

 

[munstermuffin]

Ill throw in a fiver to see Leinster make a line break again. I miss those things.

The thing is and this is for all of us JP for Munster, I'm sure Leinster aren't short of interested parties and Ulster too but IRFU won't allow it at moment.

 

[Groundhog]

I just got the impression they weren't allowing the sponsorship of single players ala McIlroy paying Pienaar.
Is private investment totally out?

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

Jimmy Gopperth back to Newcastle Falcons heard it on the Newcastle Falcons forum any truth in it ?.

I certainly hope so.

 

[munstermuffin]

I just got the impression they weren't allowing the sponsorship of single players ala McIlroy paying Pienaar.
Is private investment totally out?

Well same thing really now I will admit Sexton is an different case as he won't be signing with Leinster but with IRFU. But well it'll be interesting but I think if provinces are financially struggling we will have to let private funding in BUT it'd have to be done right and monitored correct

 

[big ginger 8]

Heard last night this move will be hugely dependant on if private investment is allowed help as Leinster supposed to be worst than Munster and Ulster financially. Will be very interesting to see what happens though

Luckily it would probably be the IRFU footing the bill. I don't see how Leinster could be so ****ed finacially really. We rent our stadium which is obviously pretty **** for us as none of the money the vendors get goes in our pockets. However I'm fairly sure that we get most of the money for ticket sales and we generally have a pretty good sale of them. Season tickets are usually nearly maxed out. A decent amount of our players aren't part of Leinster's wage bill. I know with the structure of the provinces that kind of gets messed up as technically the IRFU might budget everyone's salary but Leinster doesn't include the likes of SO'B in the wage bill. Merchandise sale must be pretty good. None of the provinces budget for getting beyond the H Cup group stage or I think reaching the Pro12 playoffs. So our success over the last few years would definitely have helped profits.

Whoever you spoke to is almost definitely more informed on this than me but I'm struggling to see how we're in as bad a shape as you're suggesting. We're no economic powerhouses but surely we're not wholly dependant on getting a private investor. It is annoying however how a private investor can contribute to our training facilities but not our wage bill.

 

[Feicarsinn]

Let's assume for a moment that it's true (ignoring the fact that it'd leave us with a flyhalf our coach seems to hate and Noel Reid as the back up.) The only real reasons Leinster would do this would be if they were pretty confident they could bring in a much higher standard 10 (one name springs to mind) or we desperately need the money to invest elsewhere in the squad. So if there's any substance to the thing we could either be looking at Johnny 10 back where he belongs, or a high calibre centre coming in. Either would be preferable to going into another season with Gopperth at 10.

 

[munstermuffin]

Luckily it would probably be the IRFU footing the bill. I don't see how Leinster could be so ****ed finacially really. We rent our stadium which is obviously pretty **** for us as none of the money the vendors get goes in our pockets. However I'm fairly sure that we get most of the money for ticket sales and we generally have a pretty good sale of them. Season tickets are usually nearly maxed out. A decent amount of our players aren't part of Leinster's wage bill. I know with the structure of the provinces that kind of gets messed up as technically the IRFU might budget everyone's salary but Leinster doesn't include the likes of SO'B in the wage bill. Merchandise sale must be pretty good. None of the provinces budget for getting beyond the H Cup group stage or I think reaching the Pro12 playoffs. So our success over the last few years would definitely have helped profits.

Whoever you spoke to is almost definitely more informed on this than me but I'm struggling to see how we're in as bad a shape as you're suggesting. We're no economic powerhouses but surely we're not wholly dependant on getting a private investor. It is annoying however how a private investor can contribute to our training facilities but not our wage bill.

I admit I was as shocked as you probably are hearing that ye are worst than us. We may make up ground in fact that Thomond generates from hosting other events and Limerick FC paying rent. But you must also consider thing such as academies, training areas and other things.
As I say I'm not a full expert on a lot of it. I know how a lot runs but still as you'd admit too it can all get lost between IRFU and passing down to branches. I may add it was said we aren't much better off but if we are honest BG8 between all of us surely there's a reason we are settling for guys who have potential or journey men. And I'm not buying this it's just before RWC. If Leinster had money a big name 10 could've been found. For Munster we need a top top centre, Leinster need a 2nd row, Munster need a proper back up 9.
And you mention there about ticket sales etc but remember when you buy season ticket you get % off each game and like all that contributes to sales and in the RDS if ye have club shop ye pay rent to have stall there too.
But my belief is training facilities are a part as I know big reason Munster will move to 1 base next year is because of financial clout.
Ulster got brand new facilities and I've been lucky to see the gym they got up their and it's state of art but as my source said it brings extra burden now from IRFU

 

[Feicarsinn]

We (should) have our second row all tied up. My man Kane Douglas (that said, I think McCarthy has been very good this year.)

 

[munstermuffin]

We (should) have our second row all tied up. My man Kane Douglas (that said, I think McCarthy has been very good this year.)

True but he's still not a stellar signing and if we are honest. Douglas and Toner are too alike to both play it'd be unbalanced. And I for 1 had doubts about Toner 12 months ago but now rate him as 1 of top locks in Europe and wouldn't like to see him ousted

Here's clip about Douglas move.

Kane Douglas saga highlights plight facing cash-strapped ARU
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The Breakdown


Edging towards the exit: Kane Douglas. Photo: Getty Images
The Waratahs are fighting hard to keep Kane Douglas after it emerged the Test second-rower had agreed, but not signed his name to, a two-year deal with Irish province Leinster this week.

The Breakdown understands Douglas is willing to stay in Australia for much less money than the Heineken Cup-winning club is offering, but believes the Australian Rugby Union's proposal is just too far off what he is worth.

The saga, stretching well into its third month, is a crucial test case for the ARU's new contracting system for players of national interest. But it also highlights the conflicting priorities of the Super Rugby franchises and the union that bankrolls them.

The ARU's offer is a clear signal to the 24-year-old workhorse forward that, despite his seminal contribution to the Waratahs' campaign this season, he is still just a bench second-rower in the eyes of Ewen McKenzie, as the Queensland partnership of James Horwill and Rob Simmons is still preferred by the Wallabies coach.

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Where it gets tricky is the Waratahs' strategic importance to the ARU.

McKenzie's boss, ARU chief Bill Pulver, has already declared this ''the year of the Waratahs'', ramping up the pressure on the underperforming NSW franchise.

A Super Rugby ***le will be difficult for coach Michael Cheika to pull off next year without his most consistent second-rower. After the departure of Rebels lock Hugh Pyle to France trimming local supplies further, Cheika will likely start looking offshore for Douglas' replacement if he does indeed head to the Emerald Isle.

How does Pulver balance his expectations on NSW against the constraints on his chequebook and the judgment of his national coach? An unenviable but important decision looms.

HOLD YOUR PRAISE

Nick Phipps is the Waratahs' fortunes writ small.

The nippy young halfback, firmly pigeon-holed for the past few years as the Wallabies' third-best option at No.9, had one of the best games of his career against the Hurricanes last week. He was decisive, aggressive and accurate. But don't try to congratulate him.

Phipps' house mate and fellow Waratah Michael Hodge tried that a few days ago and was told politely to take his praise somewhere else. Why? Because much like the Waratahs, Phipps is sick of the hero-to-zero roller-coaster and wants to start putting together good performances consistently.

"Last week we couldn't have been lower, we were really dejected after that Blues loss and I was pretty dejected with the way I played," he said.

"Then you come back and have a good win against the boys on the weekend and you're feeling good and people start talking about how well you played. I've had that for the last four or five years and I've learnt that you're only as good as your last game and you're only as good as your next game.

"I was talking to [Michael Hodge] this morning and he said 'gee you played well on the weekend' and I said 'mate let's talk about it after two or three good games in a row rather than one'."

Ahem. Could we bend your ear a moment, Nick? Do you think the whole squad could have what you're having?

"Definitely," he said. "We can have a good game â€" we beat the Stormers over [in South Africa] then we come home and lost to the Force. Things like that let the team down.

"We can front up for one game but it's all about being consistent in this competition because I know â€" fingers crossed â€" if we can get into the finals, then we can turn up for the big games."

The Waratahs have the bye this weekend. And so the battle for momentum, for that ****ly edge that seems to save this side from hurtling over the cliff each time the chips are down (every other week), becomes that little bit tougher.

TAHS HIT SHUTE SHIELD

The upside is that the Shute Shield will be bursting at the seams with Super Rugby talent this weekend, as Stephen Hoiles (Randwick), Matt Carraro (Randwick), Brendan McKibbin (Easts), Tala Gray (Easts), Jeremy Tilse (Sydney Uni), Tolu Latu (Sydney Uni), Pat McCutcheon (Sydney Uni), Jed Holloway (Souths), Matt Lucas (Manly) and Cam Crawford (Norths) all turn out for their clubs.

New Waratahs wing and league convert Taqele Naiyaravoro will make his rugby debut for Parramatta against Eastwood, while former NRL player Luke MacDougall will make his run-on debut for Randwick on the wing in second grade against Southern Districts. MacDougall is the brother of former Kangaroo Adam MacDougall and former Scotland rugby international Ben MacDougall.




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[UlsterRugby2012]

Has there been any more mention of Louis Ludik to Ulster?

 

[Feicarsinn]

I admit I was as shocked as you probably are hearing that ye are worst than us. We may make up ground in fact that Thomond generates from hosting other events and Limerick FC paying rent. But you must also consider thing such as academies, training areas and other things.
As I say I'm not a full expert on a lot of it. I know how a lot runs but still as you'd admit too it can all get lost between IRFU and passing down to branches. I may add it was said we aren't much better off but if we are honest BG8 between all of us surely there's a reason we are settling for guys who have potential or journey men. And I'm not buying this it's just before RWC. If Leinster had money a big name 10 could've been found. For Munster we need a top top centre, Leinster need a 2nd row, Munster need a proper back up 9.
And you mention there about ticket sales etc but remember when you buy season ticket you get % off each game and like all that contributes to sales and in the RDS if ye have club shop ye pay rent to have stall there too.
But my belief is training facilities are a part as I know big reason Munster will move to 1 base next year is because of financial clout.
Ulster got brand new facilities and I've been lucky to see the gym they got up their and it's state of art but as my source said it brings extra burden now from IRFU

True but he's still not a stellar signing and if we are honest. Douglas and Toner are too alike to both play it'd be unbalanced. And I for 1 had doubts about Toner 12 months ago but now rate him as 1 of top locks in Europe and wouldn't like to see him ousted

Aside from being very tall (not a bad thing in a second row) they're not all that similar really. Kane is a bit of a grafter, probably brings a bit more physicality than Toner to the side. As for not being a stellar signing, well he's a key man in New South Wales and an important part of the Australian pack. You couldn't really ask for more going into a world cup year.

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

Leinster's re-signings for next season:
http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/news/11911.php#.U2--PVft8Sk

I'd say they could cut around 5 players from that list to save a lot of money if needed. If they signed that many players, I can't see them being in financial strife.

 

[munstermuffin]

Aside from being very tall (not a bad thing in a second row) they're not all that similar really. Kane is a bit of a grafter, probably brings a bit more physicality than Toner to the side. As for not being a stellar signing, well he's a key man in New South Wales and an important part of the Australian pack. You couldn't really ask for more going into a world cup year.

Don't get me wrong he's a good player. Always thought of him more like Toner, my bad.
Snoop we don't know anything about lengths or values on them but like Munsters fringe guys they're all on a lot less. Johne Murphy took aâ'¬60k cut.
Look at Tony Buckley left Sale few weeks ago and it seems will sign with Kanturk in AIL 2B.
Players are very afraid now of not getting deals elsewhere.
But as I said if finances aren't as bad as was said then I'm happy as it certainly is good for all parties.

 

[Feicarsinn]

Leinster's re-signings for next season:
http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/news/11911.php#.U2--PVft8Sk

I'd say they could cut around 5 players from that list to save a lot of money if needed. If they signed that many players, I can't see them being in financial strife.

Look at some of those names; Fanning, Denton, O'Shea, McCarthy. There's some real muck in the Leinster squad at the minute.

 

[Groundhog]

Leave Fange alone you monster.

 

[AFalcon20]

Has Gopperth not been any good for your club like ?.

 

[Feicarsinn]

Has Gopperth not been any good for your club like ?.

In a word, no. I think he's been what we should have expected - a decent player who can get you through league games, but not someone you're going to win a European cup with.

I think that the Leinster out half position has been a disaster this season. A new coach came in and not having worked with either of them decided to give Madigan and Gopperth an equal chance to show their stuff. Unfortunately, Madigan wasn't able to take part much in the early parts of the season due to having toured with Ireland in the summer and as such Gopperth established something of a foothold, playing well against some pretty poor opposition (the Llanelli game comes to mind.) Madigan struggled to pick up form when he did get back in and the coach showed little confidence in him, preferring Gopperth for the Heineken Cup games. Since then O'Connor has been swapping the two lads in and out and both have suffered due to not getting an extended run in the team to establish some form.

I think Leinster would benefit from having an established first choice 10 and a replacement, as opposed to two guys slogging it out. I'd stick with Madigan as I think he's got tonnes more potential than Gopperth, although he hasn't shown much of it this season.

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

Has Gopperth not been any good for your club like ?.

Gopperth has been okay. My issue is with Matt O'Connor not backing either of his flyhalves as the #1 guy. Either stick with Gopperth in big games or go with Madigan.

Look at some of those names; Fanning, Denton, O'Shea, McCarthy. There's some real muck in the Leinster squad at the minute.

I don't particularly like criticizing players by name (a new departure by me!) but from that list, I see 6 or 7 players who won't represent Ireland, won't break into a Leinster European squad or are blocking the path for talented young players. There's around €400k-€500k to be saved there if in financial peril.