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TRF_Olyy said:
Oh God,
At the fan's evening a couple of weeks ago Steve Diamond said they're looking for a new backs/attack coach but it's taking it's time,
He said this morning that they're closing in on one and it should be sorted by July
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I'll say a prayer for youse before bed this evening... :basint9pt:
 
cmac95 said:
Danny Cips and Matt O'Connor will compliment each other like I'd imagine Nutella and corned beef would in a sandwich...
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Well.... some people mix ketchup and mustard.

I wonder is Steve Diamond one such weird person?
 
Delighted there's change at the top for Leinster. Matt O'Connor simply wasn't good enough, the style of rugby he employed was putrid and skill levels dropped off massively during his tenure. I do hope he made Leinster pay him off rather than just quit. If he had a year to go on his salary, the least he deserves is that to be paid in full. It's not his fault that Leinster made a mistake in hiring him!

The betting on who'll be the next head coach is linked here:
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/rugby-union/next-munster-coach?ev_oc_grp_ids=275435

Robbie Deans is favourite though I think he had a falling out with David Nucifora in Australia which may count against him. Jono Gibbes is next up and seems to be the choice of a lot of fans. Ewen McKenzie is also linked and could be a great call.
 
snoopy snoopy dog dog said:
Delighted there's change at the top for Leinster. Matt O'Connor simply wasn't good enough, the style of rugby he employed was putrid and skill levels dropped off massively during his tenure. I do hope he made Leinster pay him off rather than just quit. If he had a year to go on his salary, the least he deserves is that to be paid in full. It's not his fault that Leinster made a mistake in hiring him!

The betting on who'll be the next head coach is linked here:
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/rugby-union/next-munster-coach?ev_oc_grp_ids=275435

Robbie Deans is favourite though I think he had a falling out with David Nucifora in Australia which may count against him. Jono Gibbes is next up and seems to be the choice of a lot of fans. Ewen McKenzie is also linked and could be a great call.
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Rumours are he walked with eyes on Reds job. But as I said already yes he's deserving to go but he's not the only 1 responsible for the decline and Leinster have to be careful they don't fall in to same trap again.
 
munstermuffin said:
Rumours are he walked with eyes on Reds job. But as I said already yes he's deserving to go but he's not the only 1 responsible for the decline and Leinster have to be careful they don't fall in to same trap again.
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I read that on the42.ie too. Good luck to him if he does get the Reds job.

O'Connor wasn't the only person responsible, that's for sure. He wasn't helped by retirements and departures of key players but it's also unquestionable that he didn't get the most out of those at his disposal. He also neglected to promote talented young players especially in the backline when it was clear that those in possession weren't doing their job. A change was for the best. I feel a change of structure should also be explored. Perhaps it's advisable for a David Humphreys style director of rugby to be looked at to oversee the running of the playing side of he rugby operation with a head coach allowed focus on delivering performances on the field.

For me the best candidates to replace him are (in no particular order) Girvan Dempsey, Ewen McKenzie, Mike Ruddock and Conor O'Shea - O'Shea as a Director of Rugby handing coaching responsibilities to others.

EDIT- Wildcard candidate Rob Penney who'd suit the style Leinster wish to employ.
 
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snoopy snoopy dog dog said:
A change was for the best. I feel a change of structure should also be explored. Perhaps it's advisable for a David Humphreys style director of rugby to be looked at to oversee the running of the playing side of he rugby operation with a head coach allowed focus on delivering performances on the field.
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I have to admit, I'm not sure I'd entirely agree with that.

If your going to have a DoR/manager figure, they really need to be involved... responsible maybe would be a better word... in coaching, developing and setting up the first team.

dHumph was far too removed from the squad for most people's tastes up here. Basically, he seemed to be a glorified administrator that bought in signings, then handed them off to McGlock or Mark Anscombe and said "get on with it", the nearest dHumph appeared to get to tactics was being seen looking at the laptop. That's an awful lot of money in wages for not much real input beyond reputation for signing players.

Then, when things went wrong, dHumph would just blame the head coach. Again, an awful lot of wages for someone essentially not adding much to the operation.
 
@Amiga500

As I see it, Humphreys role was to overhaul the squad and make tough personnel decisions rather than have any input into selection policy and team tactics. Commercial decisions were beyond his remit as these were for Shane Logan to look after. Being blunt, Leinster's squad is bloated and they need somebody slightly removed from proceedings to make the tough calls on who should and shouldn't get new contracts. They need somebody to oversee scouting in a professional way and present these results to the head coach. A head coach and director of rugby can compliment each other well. It also provides a consistency of vision in how the team should be run rather than tearing up the model every 2 or 3 years when a new head coach is appointed and wants a different type of player.
 
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I don't think a DoR needs to be involved in coaching. There's an awful lot to do at a professional rugby side that falls outside coaching and preparing the team, but shouldn't fall inside the CEO's day-to-day remit. Recruitment and scouting is a full time job and a good use of wages. The CEO can't be expected to keep an eye on the money, the sponsors, upkeep, the pro team, the academy, the A team and so on. Someone needs to do the rugby side of that for him and if the Head Coach can do that, then he's not pulling his weight.

Its worth noting mind that post-Humph dragging Ulster from still quite amateur to professional ***le contenders (the way I've heard it), Ulster still felt the need for a guy to handle the identification, recruitment and retention of talent that's not the head coach - but equally, not as powerful as Humph was. I think you only need a Humph if you're in a real mess tbh.
 
I'd be very happy with Robbie Deans. Looks like they're going after an established head coach in any case after the MOC debacle.
 
Deans, McKenzie, Gibbs all 3 I would be happy with. On a side note if MOC could stay the **** away from my Super Rugby team that would be nice.
 
Thing is with Leo staying it seems certain it'll be a backs coach. So Deans is front runner
 
Rumours are -
Deans has said no.
Jackman was approached about "being involved" and said no.
Gibbes has been approached and while he hasn't said no yet he is leaning towards that way.
Pat Lam was on the shortlist but isn't interested as of yet.
And the most "off guard" one is Jeremy Davidson is a contenter
 

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