Jonathan, or Johno, Sexton has handled a rugby ball almost as soon as he could run. The Leinster outhalf tells Gerry Thornley about his feisty career
AS A nipper, from almost as soon as he could run, young Johnny, or Johno, had a rugby ball in his hands. He and his brothers were amongst the hordes of youngsters who'd run around that big old-style, square-shaped bar-room, function room-cum-disco hall in the 'Rangers clubhouse of a Saturday afternoon. Like bees in a honeypot.
His dad, Jerry, played scrumhalf for Bective Rangers, and his uncle Willie was a tearaway openside for Garryowen who also played three times for Ireland. On his mum, Clare's, side, his grandfather John was an Irish international amateur golfer of some repute and his four boys â€" Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, would you believe, though not in that order â€" all played rugby and golf, Mark also being a scrumhalf for Bective.
"I was there as long as I can remember," recalls Sexton. "Johnny O'Hagan was the Bective bagman, even back then, 20 years ago and I was pestering him for balls all the time and breaking lights in the clubhouse in Bective and causing hassle, I suppose, with my brothers. Fond memories. We used to run wild down there."
Fast forward 20 years or so. In the 25th minute of the Heineken Cup semi-final between Leinster and Munster, in front of a world record 82,208 crowd at Croke Park, Sexton has just come on for the injured Felipe Contepomi and, by way of introduction to the game, is lining up a penalty.
"Then Johnny O'Hagan brought out the wrong kicking tee and I was like: 'Are you for real?' and he says 'Just use that' and I said: 'I'm not f***ing using the wrong kicking tee!' so I sent him back with his dodgy ankle and he got the right kicking tee," says Sexton, smiling.
For Sexton, it's actually calming to have O'Hagan bring out the tee. "I've known him for so long. He always gives me a little word of advice just before the kick. I don't listen to it," he quips, "but it's nice to hear it and he's great to have around the place. All the lads know him so well now. He's just part of Leinster. He'll be here until he goes, basically."
It's been a long, rugby rite of passage for Sexton, but from that kick onwards, he came of age last season, guiding Leinster to their Promised Land. He has always been a very driven, ambitious young lad. Invariably last off the training ground, team-mates talk of a strikingly more mature player and person in the last year, one willing to call the shots, but also to take advice on board. He's a bright, engaging lad too who is now noticeably more content in his own skin.
It's now, surely, only a question of when young Johnny emulates uncle Willie. The Sextons are from Listowel, good sporting Kerry stock, which may also partially account for Sexton's nice line in dry wit and his feisty, fiery side. He's had his minor little run-ins with coaches and the law. Nothing too serious, but the coaches and the law have usually won.
"Gets me into trouble sometimes, the temper. That's probably from the dad's side," he says, smiling again, and whenever these little run-ins come up in conversation he explains, as if beyond his control, in one word: "Kerry."
After those Saturday afternoons in Bective came Sunday mornings playing mini rugby. Although he's long since filled out the under-20s jersey that used to hang down to his knees, he's still in touch with first coach there, Joe Nolan, who, he says with evident pride on Nolan's behalf, will be the club president next season.
It's funny how certain memories stick out. "I would have seen my dad play when I was very young. I remember him coming off the pitch with a broken nose one day and I thought he was going to die. There was blood everywhere."
Milltown and, in the summer, Ballybunion golf clubs were the other familial haunts. Not so long ago, Sexton had his handicap down to five but there isn't so much time to play nowadays, so he's kept his Ballybunion membership but not Milltown.
By then he was at St Mary's, ultimately playing for three years on their senior Cup team.
"There's only 50 or 60 kids in the year so it is a real sort of family school. It's a really good school too. They don't have the players that Blackrock do but the ethos in the school and the spirit within the school gives them the success that they've had."
He won a medal in his first year, at 16, but being the only fourth year student in the squad reckons he didn't appreciate it as much as he might have done. In his second year, they lost a final at Lansdowne Road to Terenure in front of 30,000 people, by 3-0. He winces again at the memory of losing in the first round against Blackrock the following year.
"We were 17-3 up at half-time and then a number of things happened. We dropped the ball over the line, we got done for a double movement over the line, and Luke Fitzgerald informed us that a bird shat on the Blackrock coach's head at half-time, which is a sign of good luck apparently," recalls Sexton with amusement, though clearly wondering still if there might actually have been some truth in it.
"And when I was taking a place kick they decided to turn the floodlights on in Donnybrook because it got so dark, just as I was taking the run up."
He also played for the Leinster and Irish schools but "the bad ones (memories) always stick out," as he puts it. "And that's what still drives you. I'm sure that's what still drives the Munster players. They probably still remember the finals they lost rather than the ones they've won."
It's the same with Sexton, for though he's into double figures for Ireland under-21 and Ireland A caps, there's still been no full caps, and he has only played 46 games for Leinster. "You need to learn through experience and I have learned through experience. I've had some brilliant times; winning the Magners League early in my career and then the Heineken. But I've had some tough times; getting dropped, not getting picked and I've learned from them. Looking back that's just the way my career has gone and now hopefully it will stay on an upward curve."
He saw others, such as Fitzgerald and Rob Kearney, bypass him and consoled himself that he was behind "an Argentinian legend and a Leinster legend" in Contepomi. "At the time I was bloody frustrated but that's the type of person I am, I'm ambitious and I want to succeed and when you're not getting as many chances as you think you should get, obviously I was frustrated and we (himself and Michael Cheika) had some run-ins."
Aside from Cheika, there have been many other good influences along the way, such as Richie Murphy in the Leinster academy, but it was David Knox who taught him how to run a backline, and when to go to the line.
"He changed my game. When I was in school it was very much a kicking game. The academy obviously helped and then I got introduced to Knoxy and as strange a character as he was, he was an outstanding coach. He was unbelievable. He taught me everything. His drills were brilliant. I learned a lot through Felipe and then obviously later Riff (Gaffney) has come in. He's got a huge amount of experience and knowledge and he's passing that on as well. Michael as well. Jesus, although he was a backrow he does know an awful lot about the game. So I've been lucky."
Last season's rollercoaster summed up his career. Having been a fairly regular starter in the successful Magners League campaign, Isa Nacewa was brought in and Sexton tried to be more like Felipe Contepomi and Nacewa than Johnny Sexton. "Michael (Cheika) just wanted me to control the game and the fancy things will come if I just did that.
"That's what I've learned most, just go out and play your own game and if you do something special it will just happen at the time."
He's also learned to row with the mistakes rather than beat himself up over them. "I saw Wilkinson miss a kick to win the game the other day. I was in shock, I was like 'he didn't miss that!' But, you know, things happen."
This weekend a year ago Sexton came on at half-time against Wasps and brilliantly helped steer Leinster to a 41-11 win. But he had a "shocking" game against Glasgow and was replaced at half-time in the defeat away to Castres.
"That had never happened to me before in my career, ever," he says, the embarrassment of the experience not something he will easily forget.
St Mary's, and Declan Kidney's faith in him, saved his season. "I'm very good friends with Peter Smith, the Mary's coach, and he's got a really professional set-up there. I was playing with my brother, playing with all the guys that I've played with for years up there. We had a few good results when we played and really good craic and I almost felt 'this is why I started playing'. I was playing with freedom whereas before I was playing with pressure."
Still, Ian Humphreys was playing well for Ulster. "I was reading the press speculating that he would be picked for the Irish As and I was like 'Jesus, he probably will'. I have Declan Kidney to thank for that. He could have just gone with Humphreys."
The Irish As beat their Scottish counterparts. "That was the turning point for me. A good night in the RDS, I got a try that wasn't a try."
Back in the Leinster 22, they began playing better when he was on the pitch, such as when losing away to Munster a week before the Heineken Cup quarter-final, whereupon he was suspended for two weeks for kicking Lifeimi Mafi. The Kerry thing.
"I thought he tried to turn D'Arcy on his head and I was angry, but I didn't mean to kick him in the head. I sort of lashed out slightly, but it was an accident." In any event, Sexton was back for the semi-final. He was nervous on the bus ride to Croker, but going past Pearse Street Fire Station he was pleasantly surprised to see a bunch of his mates from St Mary's roaring and waving to him. That made him feel good.
His courage in landing a penalty with his first touch was widely applauded but he reckons it was the best thing for him, "because suddenly, 'bang' you're in the game. It was nerve-racking, the knees and the heart were going crazy but it put me right in the game. I had never experienced an atmosphere like it before. I had never played internationals, I had never played in front of that amount of people. That's given me the taste of it and that's what's driving me on now".
Sexton reckons he probably played better in the final. Last Friday, he lined up a drop goal from near the half-way line and most in the crowd probably had a flashback to that day in May at Murrayfield against Leicester. Unfortunately, he admits, so did he. Still, it was some drop goal with which to announce he was ready for a Heineken Cup final.
The younger players in the team won it for themselves but also, he says, for those who toiled through some of the bad days.
"But at the same time I hope they won't settle for one Heineken cup in their career," he says, "because if they play for 12 seasons, one out of 12 isn't that good is it? If I play until I'm 34 and only win one out of 12, I won't be happy."
Sexton rang (Ireland manager) Paul McNaughton before the final offering to fly out the next day for the two summer Tests in the USA and Canada, but he was told to concentrate on the final. "It's something that I desperately want and not only just one. I want to play for Ireland like Ronan O'Gara has for the last 10 years."
It must be odd being a rival to O'Gara. "When I was 14 he was 24 and playing for Ireland. I was playing at outhalf for Mary's so obviously he was my idol. I looked up to his standard and I would always try to do that trademark kick into the corner, and he has a lovely passing game as well."
He talks with huge respect for O'Gara and his achievements. The incident after the D'Arcy try in the semi-final when Sexton was freeze-framed seemingly unleashing a volley of verbals (he actually just screamed, without saying anything) at O'Gara has literally distorted the picture we have of the rivalry. "That respect probably got thrown out in that moment in Croke Park, but you know things happen in the heat of battle and other things are said that aren't caught on camera and s*** happens but I still have respect for him as a player and what he has achieved."
Similarly Sexton will have his occasional bad days as well as good ones. Being the resident outhalf with Leinster, the European champions, has a certain responsibility to it.
"It's something that I've wanted to be for 10 years so . . . yeah I'm glad I'm in that position at the moment. I'm not taking it for granted because Seán Beirne is a quality player."
Having a new alternative at outhalf is good for Sexton, and besides at one point last summer he thought it might be Dan Carter. "He was around here at the time. I swear to God. When Felipe was announcing he was leaving, Dan Carter was in our gym working out."
Carter was over for an Adidas photo shoot.
Even Carter would be feeling the heat this week, but Sexton isn't fazed.
"We are going to win the game first of all, we know we have to win the game. We've got out of the pool before winning four games and getting bonus points. So there is pressure, there is a lot of pressure but it's not like we're not good enough to win over there."
It's not said with a trace of cockiness, just a belief in himself and his team-mates.
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