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Super Rugby could expand into USA or Asia

Article Published: Monday 16 May 2011

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While Super Rugby fans are just becoming used to the idea of having 15 Super Rugby teams there are rumblings of further expansion which could take Super Rugby to America in the next five years.

The New Zealand Rugby Union has gone from having close to $80 million safely banked in 2005, the New Zealand Rugby Union's reserves are now down to $35m and there is no more pressing issue than boosting income.

According to the New Zealand Herald, invading foreign markets remains the preferred route - from 2014, expect to hear talk of Super Rugby expansion into the United States and Asia that will form part of an integrated strategy to help these nations build a sustainable presence on the world stage.

Altruism is not the driver - the NZRU wants to access the corporate machinery of these massive economies but has finally realised that, to do that, it will need to do more than just drop the All Blacks in for occasional tests.

If the US, Japan and wider parts of Asia are to become serious rugby nations, then the NZRU is going to have to provide them with players, coaches and intellectual capital.

The NZRU accepts that it needs a new big idea, a more integrated commercial strategy that brings a massive boost in revenue - money needed to keep players here.

The NZRU's last big idea was to play Bledisloe Cup tests offshore at neutral venues.

It didn't really work - a moderate success in 2008, the income returned from Tokyo in 2009 was less and last year the Hong Kong test was lucky to break even.

Last week's announcement about the revamped Bledisloe where a third test will be played in Australia in 2012 and in New Zealand in 2013 confirmed that the neutral venue option has been canned for now.

It will come again from 2014 but, when it does, it will be part of an integrated package that will see more than just a one-off test being played offshore.

If Asia and the US are ever to become genuine commercial markets for the NZRU, then they need to have a Super Rugby presence.

Sending the All Blacks in for one-off tests hasn't proven a successful means of engaging a new audience; of growing fan, broadcast or sponsor interest in Asia.

NZRU chief executive Steve Tew says Super Rugby expansion into these territories remains on the agenda and will climb higher if and when the South Africans get the go-ahead to enter the Southern Kings.

The Southern Kings could come on board as early as 2013 and it will create issues for the balance of the competition.

The conference system will be further compromised if the South Africans have six teams and the Australian and New Zealand formats, five.

Neither New Zealand nor Australia has the player resources to cater for a sixth team and the former would certainly be challenged trying to find corporate sponsors.

If there is to be expansion, it has to be offshore - a team based in Asia and or the US.

The US, in particular, has made giant strides in the past five years. A recent survey showed it is the fastest growing rugby nation in the world and is likely to have more than 100,000 registered players by the end of the year.

US Rugby chairman Kevin Roberts, a former NZRU board member, is convinced that the NZRU and other major nations have to start forging closer and structured relationships with his organisation.

"Commercially, rugby's future is in the US," Roberts told the New Zealand Herald.

"All of the IRB major sponsors have business interests in the US. USA Rugby is developing professionally and sensibly but obviously is restrained in terms of its pace of growth by economic realities.

"What we need is access to a superior competition and until we can start playing in either Super Rugby, (via a West Coast franchise), the Magners League (East Coast), or the Six Nations (funded partially by the IRB), then it will be difficult for us to progress at the pace the game needs."

Much of the next two years will be spent trying to establish the detail of any expansion and determining how flexible the national body can be. Ideas such as allowing young New Zealanders to play for a US or Japanese franchise but remaining eligible for the All Blacks have already been floated.

The Rebels have shown it's possible to build a team with an almost equal mix of local and imported talent. It has worked in Melbourne, so why not Los Angeles, Boston, or Tokyo?

Rather than have promising talent head to Europe and kill their All Black dreams, why not allow them to be well-paid marquee players in the US in a competition the All Black selectors watch and remain eligible for their country?

The NZRU could also insist on having coaching and medical control of any US or Japanese franchise.

NZRU total revenue has been largely static since 2006, yet the All Blacks have played more tests. The existing model is running to a standstill.

Without an improved commercial strategy, the national game in New Zealand (and Australia and South Africa) will be in danger of being swamped by Europe and Japan, where the game is now underpinned by an indestructible financial base.

With thanks to the New Zealand Herald.

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A Mexican team would be cool, they actually don't preform that bad in 7's
 
Maybe they're going to adopt a h cup style tournament and try and make the domestic leagues bigger like the premiership or magners. That way you can have asian or american teams that will play but not win alot like the Italian teams in the h cup. That would also grow rugby in them countries???
 
there is no way USA or Japan could contemplate competing with the All Blacks or the Springboks

Argentina is a possibility, but I'm sure the "growth" of the American game will fade away along with the fans every 90 point victory a New Zealand team would get

If USA really is growing so much, maybe they should try and make a professional league along with Argentina and Canada, but I still think that standard would be too low for any European Pumas to want come and play for Argentinean teams.

and what happens to Samoa and Fiji in this, who have had credible grounds to be included in some sort of competition for years

oh well, it's all just fantasy at the moment, but I predict Super Rugby will not be the same by 2014
 
there is no way USA or Japan could contemplate competing with the All Blacks or the Springboks

Argentina is a possibility, but I'm sure the "growth" of the American game will fade away along with the fans every 90 point victory a New Zealand team would get

If USA really is growing so much, maybe they should try and make a professional league along with Argentina and Canada, but I still think that standard would be too low for any European Pumas to want come and play for Argentinean teams.

and what happens to Samoa and Fiji in this, who have had credible grounds to be included in some sort of competition for years

oh well, it's all just fantasy at the moment, but I predict Super Rugby will not be the same by 2014

While I don't particularly like this idea, they wouldn't be competing with the All Blacks and Springboks they would be competing against the Lions, Brumbies, Rebels, Hurricanes etc.

One American team that was able to recruit a squad similar in strength to the national team lineup would not lose to the Hurricanes by 90 points especially with a couple of SH players to bolster them in key positions. The All Blacks and Springboks full sqauds don't beat the United States by that much in international play.

There has been talk of trying to expand the Americas Rugby Championship to include clubs from Canada, Argentina, United States, Uruguay and later Brazil and Chile. I think this is the way to go, perhaps some of the best professional players from these countries would stay in European clubs but with limited overseas spots many will come back for the twilight of their careers if the salaries can get up to a reasonable level. As well the younger players would start out here playing at a higher standard than their currently is and many guys that are good but not skilled enough to displace a domestic player in another league would be able to continue their careers.

I'd like to see some competition for Islanders as well but they are exempt from many of the quotas and thus are not held back in seeking spots in European clubs like players from the America's are so many of them are more easily able to play top flight rugby.
 
If USA really is growing so much, maybe they should try and make a professional league along with Argentina and Canada, but I still think that standard would be too low for any European Pumas to want come and play for Argentinean teams.

Tentative planning is currently occurring for a (semi-) professional league in the US, hopefully beginning in 2013. I first heard about it last November when talking with a bloke involved at a university function, but I've been out of the loop a bit recently.

As far as Super Rugby goes, I think Argentina, Pacific Islands, and Japan are the way to go. I don't know culturally whether the US would be more well-served aligning with the Europe or with the SH, but in terms of travel distance, east coast US to Europe is a lot shorter than west coast US to NZ/Australia. That of course is just one issue, but it's usually one of the first things to consider with regards to on-field issues, given how much travel can impact on performance.

San Diego to Sydney: 13463km
NYC to London: 5567km
 
Meh. Things won't be right until they set up a demoestic comp in Oz, and change the S15 to a Heineken Cup format, in which you can then include teams from the Pacific/Argentina. Everything else will most likely fail...
 
Japan and Argentina seem the only possible teams to have to expand the competition. People can go on about a PI team, but it wouldn't work as there isn't enough money for the PI nations to fund a fully professional team, there is no real financial gain in spreading the game to a combined population of less than two million (especially considering rugby is already their national sports) and New Zealand has political sanctions against Fiji which would get in the way of selections.

I wouldn't mind seeing the United States in the competition in the future, but I generally don't think it will be able to become as popular as some people seem to be guessing.
 
TBH, the more teams you include the more games the boys have to play. I don't know what you think but a month off really gives you time to recharge. Pro - rugby players aren't robots.
 
The travel involved should any 2 of Japan, USA, Argentina or a PI nation come on board would just be ridiculous and the amount of games played as well if the current format stays. I say have the PI nations play the Asians (close enough time differences) and have the North Americans play each other and possibly some of the 2nd tier Europeans (Georgia et al).

Have two Argentinean teams and the Southern Kings join Superrugby but scratch the conference system and have each team play each other once only in the regular season. Austarlia needs to sort out its domestic game without Super rugby needing to be used as a crutch.
 
Expanding to these countries is no issue, if you design a first and second tier competition. If you expand it to, let's say, 24 teams, we have 12 teams in the Tier 1 Super Rugby competition and 12 in the Tier 2.

This would result in a following concept:


Super Rugby Premier Division
Blues, Brumbies, Bulls, Cheetahs, Crusaders, Force, Highlanders, Hurricanes, Reds, Sharks, Stormers and Waratahs

Super Rugby First Division
Chiefs, Lions, Rebels, Southern Kings, 3 Argentinian teams, 2 PI teams, 1 Japanese team and 2 additional teams from elsewhere


That way, the competition has less matches, resulting in more time to travel to the necessary destinations
 
On what base would you divide the teams in thos two divisions?
Don't forget at the beginning of the season everybody was saying to drop the Highlanders were they now could reach the play offs. Same goes for the Cheetahs who have started to bring some really attractive rugby.

When having a closer look at your example it doesn't look fair to me that teams in the first division have to travel more and longer.

In my opinion we will have 1 Argentian team in the near future and we shoudl aim at having a Samoan, Tongan and or Fijian team. Asia and America shoudl start their own franchise.
 
I just grabbed the top 4 of each conference with the current standings. It is just an example ;)
 
Point taken but still if you look at the second division, the distance they have to travel. they will spend more time in a plane than on the field.
 
Flying from South Africa to Japan or Argentina is not that much further than flying to New Zealand.
 

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