Super 18 2013

[Wally]

There have been serious discussions among SANZAR to bring in two Japanese rugby clubs and the Eastern Cape based South African franchise starting from 2013. This would take the number of teams playing to 18, with three 6 team conferences (ie 5 NZ teams + 1 Jap team, 5 Aus teams + 1 Jap team, 6 SA teams). It is designed to open up new commercial markets in Japan while satisfying the SARFU. The number of games played would not be increased.

http://www.rugbyheaven.com.au/news/news/ja...2498807999.html

 

[William18]

I don't like it the Japanese teams would be full of foreigners. The whole point in having a NZ conference is that it will have only NZ teams. You can't just bring in a team from Japan and put it in a NZ conference. It would defeat the whole conference idea.

 

[Flux]

What is the point of having the Japanese in the competition other than for the money? They're only going to get dicked every week for a number of years. Completely ridiculous when the Pacific Islanders and Argentineans have been knocking on the door for years.

It's a sad day for rugby when it's reduced to money making schemes rather than helping out those who really need it. The big thumbs down from me.

 

[Wally]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Flux @ May 21 2009, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

What is the point of having the Japanese in the competition other than for the money? They're only going to get dicked every week for a number of years. Completely ridiculous when the Pacific Islanders and Argentineans have been knocking on the door for years.

It's a sad day for rugby when it's reduced to money making schemes rather than helping out those who really need it. The big thumbs down from me.[/b]

Mate having a team from Argentina or the pacific island IS NOT POSSIBLE. Just get over it. I think including Japanese clubs is a step in the right direction. They have potential to be a strong rugby nation, and actually have the money and logistics working in their favour.

 

[William18]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wally @ May 21 2009, 08:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Flux @ May 21 2009, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What is the point of having the Japanese in the competition other than for the money? They're only going to get dicked every week for a number of years. Completely ridiculous when the Pacific Islanders and Argentineans have been knocking on the door for years.

It's a sad day for rugby when it's reduced to money making schemes rather than helping out those who really need it. The big thumbs down from me.[/b]

Mate having a team from Argentina or the pacific island IS NOT POSSIBLE. Just get over it. I think including Japanese clubs is a step in the right direction. They have potential to be a strong rugby nation, and actually have the money and logistics working in their favour.
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I disagree with that. They really don't have the body shapes to ever really be up there with NZ, Aus, RSA, England etc

 

[BLR]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (William18 @ May 22 2009, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I disagree with that. They really don't have the body shapes to ever really be up there with NZ, Aus, RSA, England etc[/b]

That's pretty racist....

 

[tommowins]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BLR @ May 23 2009, 03:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (William18 @ May 22 2009, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I disagree with that. They really don't have the body shapes to ever really be up there with NZ, Aus, RSA, England etc[/b]

That's pretty racist....
[/b][/quote]

Not really. He is just pointing out that they are not built for rugby and their not. They are not big people. Its fact rather than racial prejudice. Racism would be like: Japanese people are all retards who all (insert stereotype here).

Anyway I still don't see hoe the Pacific islands are not an idea. Argentina, fair enough, they are on the other side of the world. But the Pacific Islands? They are only north from New Zealand. It would take RSA teams the same time to get to the PI than it would to get to New Zealand.

 

[Scrumit2]

I think to teams from Japan is too much, but surly one in Aust would be perfect. Japan would get behind the team $ wise. The amount of money they put in Baseball when Ichiro came to the us was amazing. And they are sick about sport. Hundreds of reporters at every thing Ichiro did. Now as for body types I played against a team from Japan last year and on paper we should have killed them. Club Players at the end the season against School Boys at the begining of their and that handed us our asses on a plate. I doesn't matter how small they are if you can't get a finger on them. They are drilled and drilled and drilled on passing lanes and where to be and they don't miss a beat. Now for their scrums put it this way. A scrum for them is just a 8 man sumo match. Think of all the Great Sumo men they are usually from Japan. So where do the good sumo guys go if they are too small for sumo. YES they hit the rugby pitch. Finally for the point about Nz rugby being NZ rugby. Whats more NZ than giving the Islanders a team they can call their own in NZ. Yes they feel apart of NZ when they support Bay of Plenty or whoever they live near, but still they would feel more apart of a team that might have joe cool who was also born in the town their family hails from . Give the Islanders a team based in NZ and watch them break attendance record. So go for a Super 18. Southern Kings in SA, Japan team on the Gold Coast, and Pacific Island team in NZ and we'll be #2 in Aust behind AFL and #1 in the world in rugby comps.

 

[candybum]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tommowins @ May 23 2009, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I still don't see hoe[/b]

I see hoe all the time

Anyways... If they invite a Japanese team, it would be great $$$ wise and sure they'll get a hiding, but don't all new team usually start off bad? it would be great for Japan to develop some of their players. They already have pretty good skills, (look at the try they scored against Wales!!). I mean the Japanese based team can't just be all the best players from Japan, because you might as well invite their international XV. I reckon Japan plus players from the pacific and even Argentina would be a fantastic idea. Have their main home games in Japan (great for the dosh), with a couple in the pacific islands and maybe one in Puma land. Why have another Australian team? sure they want to even it out but their player resources will be stretched too far! plus they suck ... they can't lure too many league players can they? and if they were to have a Australian based team with players from all over the world, then whats the point? if they were to have the players from all over, why not base the team somewhere where it can be beneficial to the global market place i.e to Japan.

People talk about the travel factor (going to SA and back etc) but that's the challenge and what may separate the good teams from the great!

Shux i sound like a broken record...

EDIT: damn this should have been in the super 15 thread

 

[Flux]

How is playing in South Africa that much different to playing Argentina? I'm not sure how similar their time zones are or the travel, but I can't see that it'd be that much different.

 

[tommowins]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (candybum @ May 23 2009, 09:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tommowins @ May 23 2009, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I still don't see hoe[/b]

I see hoe all the time
[/b][/quote]

Lol the 'e' key and 'w' key are next to each other. I meant to say how :lol:.

 

[Steve-o]

HAHA yeah fly to Argentina as well LMAO. Please tell me you joking. It's probably quicker for NZ teams to fly over the Pacific to get to Argentina than coming over Africa. It's pretty damn far and a 5-6 hour change in time zone from SA.

 

[William18]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BLR @ May 23 2009, 05:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (William18 @ May 22 2009, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I disagree with that. They really don't have the body shapes to ever really be up there with NZ, Aus, RSA, England etc[/b]

That's pretty racist....
[/b][/quote]
How PC are you? You can't deny the fact that Japanese people and in fact most Asians are slim in build. Polynesians are big and mobile. They have natural advantages. Japanese people can never compete at the top level. Rugby is already very popular there but they will never become a strong nation. Conversely, Polynesians aren't very good at Cricket/soccer. It's not racist it's just reality.

 

[BLR]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (William18 @ May 23 2009, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BLR @ May 23 2009, 05:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (William18 @ May 22 2009, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I disagree with that. They really don't have the body shapes to ever really be up there with NZ, Aus, RSA, England etc[/b]

That's pretty racist....
[/b][/quote]
How PC are you? You can't deny the fact that Japanese people and in fact most Asians are slim in build. Polynesians are big and mobile. They have natural advantages. Japanese people can never compete at the top level. Rugby is already very popular there but they will never become a strong nation. Conversely, Polynesians aren't very good at Cricket/soccer. It's not racist it's just reality.[/b][/quote]
I think you are just enforcing a negative stereotype, Yao Ming doesn't fit the typical asian stereotype does he? Neither do Sumo wrestlers, who despite not being born like they are, like Yao Ming and his height, they train for their specific sport religiously until they get the right body and power to be a Sumo wrestler.

Why can't this be harnessed in the forward pack to go along with their fast backs? If there is money in it then it can foreseeably happen.

Who would have thought such countries as Argentina would be up where they are now? Japan is a long term option good for the growth of the game, the PI's are a money pit and the Argies are an option in the future when they get their home game together.

 

[tommowins]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BLR @ May 24 2009, 02:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (William18 @ May 23 2009, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BLR @ May 23 2009, 05:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (William18 @ May 22 2009, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I disagree with that. They really don't have the body shapes to ever really be up there with NZ, Aus, RSA, England etc[/b]

That's pretty racist....
[/b][/quote]
How PC are you? You can't deny the fact that Japanese people and in fact most Asians are slim in build. Polynesians are big and mobile. They have natural advantages. Japanese people can never compete at the top level. Rugby is already very popular there but they will never become a strong nation. Conversely, Polynesians aren't very good at Cricket/soccer. It's not racist it's just reality.[/b][/quote]
I think you are just enforcing a negative stereotype, Yao Ming doesn't fit the typical asian stereotype does he? Neither do Sumo wrestlers, who despite not being born like they are, like Yao Ming and his height, they train for their specific sport religiously until they get the right body and power to be a Sumo wrestler.

Why can't this be harnessed in the forward pack to go along with their fast backs? If there is money in it then it can foreseeably happen.

Who would have thought such countries as Argentina would be up where they are now? Japan is a long term option good for the growth of the game, the PI's are a money pit and the Argies are an option in the future when they get their home game together.
[/b][/quote]

Someone was telling me the Chinese put Yao on growth hormones/steroids/genetically modified him when he was a kid which made him tall. Then he was brought up just playing basketball. But I can't remember the guy who was telling me this so he could be full of shiyt.

 

[Wally]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tommowins @ May 24 2009, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BLR @ May 24 2009, 02:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (William18 @ May 23 2009, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BLR @ May 23 2009, 05:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (William18 @ May 22 2009, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I disagree with that. They really don't have the body shapes to ever really be up there with NZ, Aus, RSA, England etc[/b]

That's pretty racist....
[/b][/quote]
How PC are you? You can't deny the fact that Japanese people and in fact most Asians are slim in build. Polynesians are big and mobile. They have natural advantages. Japanese people can never compete at the top level. Rugby is already very popular there but they will never become a strong nation. Conversely, Polynesians aren't very good at Cricket/soccer. It's not racist it's just reality.[/b][/quote]
I think you are just enforcing a negative stereotype, Yao Ming doesn't fit the typical asian stereotype does he? Neither do Sumo wrestlers, who despite not being born like they are, like Yao Ming and his height, they train for their specific sport religiously until they get the right body and power to be a Sumo wrestler.

Why can't this be harnessed in the forward pack to go along with their fast backs? If there is money in it then it can foreseeably happen.

Who would have thought such countries as Argentina would be up where they are now? Japan is a long term option good for the growth of the game, the PI's are a money pit and the Argies are an option in the future when they get their home game together.
[/b][/quote]

Someone was telling me the Chinese put Yao on growth hormones/steroids/genetically modified him when he was a kid which made him tall. Then he was brought up just playing basketball. But I can't remember the guy who was telling me this so he could be full of shiyt.
[/b][/quote]
You are full of **** for even repeating that.

 

[tommowins]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wally @ May 24 2009, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tommowins @ May 24 2009, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BLR @ May 24 2009, 02:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (William18 @ May 23 2009, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BLR @ May 23 2009, 05:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (William18 @ May 22 2009, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I disagree with that. They really don't have the body shapes to ever really be up there with NZ, Aus, RSA, England etc[/b]

That's pretty racist....
[/b][/quote]
How PC are you? You can't deny the fact that Japanese people and in fact most Asians are slim in build. Polynesians are big and mobile. They have natural advantages. Japanese people can never compete at the top level. Rugby is already very popular there but they will never become a strong nation. Conversely, Polynesians aren't very good at Cricket/soccer. It's not racist it's just reality.[/b][/quote]
I think you are just enforcing a negative stereotype, Yao Ming doesn't fit the typical asian stereotype does he? Neither do Sumo wrestlers, who despite not being born like they are, like Yao Ming and his height, they train for their specific sport religiously until they get the right body and power to be a Sumo wrestler.

Why can't this be harnessed in the forward pack to go along with their fast backs? If there is money in it then it can foreseeably happen.

Who would have thought such countries as Argentina would be up where they are now? Japan is a long term option good for the growth of the game, the PI's are a money pit and the Argies are an option in the future when they get their home game together.
[/b][/quote]

Someone was telling me the Chinese put Yao on growth hormones/steroids/genetically modified him when he was a kid which made him tall. Then he was brought up just playing basketball. But I can't remember the guy who was telling me this so he could be full of shiyt.
[/b][/quote]
You are full of **** for even repeating that.
[/b][/quote]

WTF bro I said that the source couldn't be trusted. Its a rumor. I never claimed it to be fact.

 

[dundeesmiffy]

It is not racist to notice a trend in body shape correlated with ethnicity. It is widely accepted that people from that particular corner of the world are shorter and thinner than the rest of the worlds populous. It's not saying that they are any different from any other human on the planet, it's just noticing a very distinct characteristic.

Surely you can see how this would effect there ability to play rugby at the high level demanded in the SH if the proper ideas were put into place.

However, with enough foreign imports to even it out - in terms of experience of Super 14 rugby, not about size - they could be at least contending at a decent level. I don't think there is a quick fix solution to get Argentina involved in the professional club game. Maybe they should start an independent league on there own for the time being...a lot easier said than done.

 

[Wally]

**** I hate Scottish people.

 

[tjchung]

im uneasy about the idea of continuing sanzar over the next 5 years. If we we're to incorporate teams from the pacific islands, japan and argentina then the time zone and traveling issue will grow out of hand. If we consider the already large time difference between Johannesburg and auckland which is 10 hours, imagine adding argentina to the pack. If you we're wanting to watch matches then you'd have matches at like 5 am noon 5 pm and 11 pm. Also if we continue with the conference system, then we'd have issues with incorporating argentina.

An alternative that ive seen mentioned in some article was that argentina and south africa form their own competition, with australia and new zealand forming a competition with the pacific islands. Sure there are issues such as having a league without the springboks or a league without australians or new zealands, but for rugby to expand in the southern hemisphere i think that we need to pave the way for expansion to continue