Spain 25-18 Georgia

[Melhor Time]

See it to believe it



Of course loads of Top 14 players and lower division players missed the match. Nonetheless Felicitaciones los Leones!

Saludos!

 

[Toko_11]

It was expected

 

[Tier 3]

Wow. Congrats to the Spanish. Some great broken play counter-attack and awesome support running. Great stuff.


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[Toko_11]

Georgia were largely understrength, but this is still a slightly surprising result given that Georgia have been winning these games playing understrength over recent years

although to be honest, it has no relevancy as to where Georgia rugby are at right now

well of course but a lot of people worked very hard for past 4 years to earn those points and now its lost only because someone decided to field our 8th choice pack.... that's what happens when all the success goes to your head. don't get me wrong we should test our young players but not all at once. and i loved how Spanish team had only 4 Spaniards.

 

[Toko_11]

yeah that front row looks like fourth choice, I heard Mamukashvili had a poor match, as well as Abuseridze and Gigauri

1. Nariashvili - third choice loosehead behind Kakovin and Khinch
2. Mamukashvili - fourth choice hooker behind Bregvadze, Giorgadze and Natriashvili
3. Sheklashvili - fifth choice tighthead behind Jgenti, Kubriashvili, Zirakashvili and Peikrishvili
4. Datunashvili - first choice
5. Mikautadze - second choice behind Maisuradze
6. Chkhaidze - second choice behind Sutiashvili
7. Berishvili - third choice behind Gorgodze and Kolelishvili
8. Basilaia - first choice

well the funny thing is our pack was still the stronger one.. but our back line decided to take a day off... playing Gigauri as a fullback is a mistake. Giorgi Shkinin should have started ahead of machkaneli or todua. well i guess coaches are still learning about the team. this game was just a mistake. and a good lesson. fortunately first game was against Spain not against Romania or Russia

even though i became a big fan of basilaia I still think he's not as good as udesiani.
also i think they should have given a chance to peikrishvili. he's always being overlooked. yes not as good as ziro or kubri but a strong player... he would have made it in the starting lineup of any other ENC team.. and maybe for some better teams too.

 

[Croket66]

If you seen the game, how the young Sarikadze played? And Mikautadze?

 

[Toko_11]

mikautadze did alright although nothing special this game was a backs game. and i was watching via internet so quality stunk and i couldn't make out who was who most of the time... except berishvili he looks like chabal. sarikadze didnt do anything worth remembering.. as i said whole bakcline was terrible except shkinin

 

[Melhor Time]

well of course but a lot of people worked very hard for past 4 years to earn those points and now its lost only because someone decided to field our 8th choice pack.... that's what happens when all the success goes to your head. don't get me wrong we should test our young players but not all at once. and i loved how Spanish team had only 4 Spaniards.

Georgia vs Romania, Argentina vs Romania and Argentina vs Georgia were rare World Cup matches last year as they were actually made up entirely of players born in these countries!

Six Nations matches rarely feature true country vs country games. Tri Nations matches never do. Italy vs England was more like a Barbarians match. Seven starting for Italy are from abroad. and four starting for England come from elsewhere too. In the case of England I´d question whether or not the RFU or the clubs are doing a good job for rugby in the country.

 

[Croket66]

The starting XV for Spain sas very good
As centres, Pierre Garcia from Castres and César Sempere from Northampton.
If it was à backs game, it surely was too hard for Sharikadze and Kacharava. And the n'est back defender, Zibzibadze doesnt play.

 

[Tonga_rugby]

Buen partido del XV del León.
Very good match of Spain.

 

[Toko_11]

Georgia vs Romania, Argentina vs Romania and Argentina vs Georgia were rare World Cup matches last year as they were actually made up entirely of players born in these countries!

Six Nations matches rarely feature true country vs country games. Tri Nations matches never do. Italy vs England was more like a Barbarians match. Seven starting for Italy are from abroad. and four starting for England come from elsewhere too. In the case of England I´d question whether or not the RFU or the clubs are doing a good job for rugby in the country.

I just think the whole point of "National team" is to know how good your own nation is.. if you hire bunch of mercenaries that's just not fun anymore.. I wouldn't want 10 foreigners playing for my country even if that meant winning the world cup (not that I'm against foreigners or anything like that) because it takes away fun... so when we have last names like Richards, Parker, Dickson, Gardener playing for lets say Brazil you would feel like you are playing England rejects team rather than Brazil :|...

 

[HowieLO6]

I just think the whole point of "National team" is to know how good your own nation is.. if you hire bunch of mercenaries that's just not fun anymore.. I wouldn't want 10 foreigners playing for my country even if that meant winning the world cup (not that I'm against foreigners or anything like that) because it takes away fun... so when we have last names like Richards, Parker, Dickson, Gardener playing for lets say Brazil you would feel like you are playing England rejects team rather than Brazil :|...

Why would I consider Manu a foreigner? As far as he's concerned, he's English. His formative years were spent here and he's played for English age-groups.

The world is a far more cosmopolitan place, especially in Western Europe. Geographic mobility is at an all-time high and cultures are nigh-on homogenous, especially so when moving around the westernised nations. Having an Italy team made up of a high number of "foreign" players (arguably, there is a case for this, but the quality simply isn't there) is a very different kettle of fish to the other 6 Nations teams with players who may have been born elsewhere, but brought up in their respective corners of the British Isles. Obviously, can't claim that Barritt and Botha fall into that category!

 

[welshglory]

Yea i agree Howie, thats a pretty outlandish statement made. For instance in Wales is Faletau a foreigner because he was born in Tonga? Is Parisse Argentinian because he was born there? I'm sure he would be offended if someone said that to him.

 

[Seaton]

Don't know if offended is the right word, more annoyed at their ignorance, but I suppose that isn't a word...

 

[LittleGuy]

This issue comes up on TRF from time to time and I can see it from both angles, certainly players that emigrate at a young age are almost certainly integrated into the national psyche and culture. In Canada DTH Van De Merwe would probably fit into this category having arrived here when he was in his early teens. Likewise even though I love him as a player James Pritchard only qualified through a grandparent and spent a couple of summers here about ten years ago getting to know the Canadian rugby scene....Is he really a Canadian player?

Perhaps removing the grandparent qualification would be a good idea, or perhaps making sure players are citizens of the country they play for, I'm pretty sure Pritchard(Possibly Matt Evans as well) was the only non-Canadian citizen on the national team at the RWC but many more players were born elsewhere...Nanyak Dala, DTH Van De Merwe, Jeremy Kyne etc.

 

[Seaton]

Aye, agree that one should have to be a citizen of said country, either by birth or residency prior to making an appearance.


However if the player can play by virtue of a parent, but have not spent any considerable time in the country he/ she wishes to play for, but signs a 3+ year contract with a club in the country, I wouldn't mind at all. Please note this is not a stance on what the lawz should be, but my opinion on the matter.

 

[welshglory]

I agree with what you're saying, but i disagree about the 3+ year contract. If your parent is of a certain nationality you should be able to represent that country no questions asked imo

 

[Toko_11]

wow its almost like you were waiting for me to post..... I was talking about Spain and how their team went from mostly Spanish dudes from last year to all french/english players which were neither born there or had spent most of their lives there... many of them can't even speak Spanish -_- if you have spent most of your life in a country lets say England than you are pretty much English soo... I guess you guys didn't read the previous posts ? ?

 

[Seaton]

I agree with what you're saying, but i disagree about the 3+ year contract. If your parent is of a certain nationality you should be able to represent that country no questions asked imo

Didn't say you shouldn't, in fact I specifically stated that I don't think the above should be the laws.

Just think it gives everyone a piece of mind, if the player is there to represent your country, would you not like the player to have at least resided in the country at some stage of his/ her life?

Comes across a little... wrong/ attackful (my wording), but be sure no malice intended.

 

[Nielsch]

Spain matches seem to attract a pretty decent crowd, somewhere between 5.000 - 10.000 depending on the opponent. Why don't they move to a real stadium instead of playing in a glorified park?

They've got some pretty hot rugby regions (madrid, catalunya, basque country) so maybe they could revolve around a bit.

Nuevo Estadio Lasesarre, Basque Country (10.000)

Estadio Teresa Rivero, Madrid (15.000)

Estadi Olimpic Feixa Llarga, Catalunya (12.000)

To name a few options. Get a professional production crew, a tv deal and I'm sure they could come up with a better product than the clip in the opening post.