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Sir Speedy
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I don't think anybody, sound or not, saw what Vickery was binned for. :huh:
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monkeypigeon
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cymro @ Jun 10 2009, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
He was ... Im fed up of people not understanding the scrum. Du Plessis was always going to ground, was funny that. Apparently Rowntree had a word before half time with the 4th Official who past it on the Kaplan.
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I was shocked to come back from the pub and not find a load of people having left comments about the first half reffing at the scrum. It was so obvious that Jenkins was being ripped off by the retardedness pf the reffing. I won't blame Kaplan because he was on the wrong side but whoever is linesman was should have picked it up....Barnes I believe was the one focking it up the most.
Meers had a good game and he looks like a cert to start. Jenkins was good too but I wasn't convinced by Adam Jones at all. O'Connell was good but needs to get told to stop showing up in the centre. Croft was anonymous but he did his duties at the breakdown so I'd still consider him a cert in the absence of Ferris. Wallace was excellent on the floor and looked good in open play. Heaslip is a cert.
I was getting ****** off at the utter slowness of Phillips in the first half but he was way better in the second half. O'Gara has made Jones a certainty at outhalf. BOD and Roberts confirm that they're not a one hit wonder.
Fitzgerald looks lively and dangerous and Williams was better than he was in the previous matches but every other wing has still put in a better performance than him. And it's between Fitzgerald and Monye for the second wing for me. Monye and Bowe to start the next match.
Byrne was excellent again. Hurrah. And that's that.
Breakdown is still messy and I hope the IRB come up with some intelligent way to clean it up (during the summer) without turning the sport into rugby-league - I think the failure of the ELVs shows that we don't want that.
He was ... Im fed up of people not understanding the scrum. Du Plessis was always going to ground, was funny that. Apparently Rowntree had a word before half time with the 4th Official who past it on the Kaplan.
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I was shocked to come back from the pub and not find a load of people having left comments about the first half reffing at the scrum. It was so obvious that Jenkins was being ripped off by the retardedness pf the reffing. I won't blame Kaplan because he was on the wrong side but whoever is linesman was should have picked it up....Barnes I believe was the one focking it up the most.
Meers had a good game and he looks like a cert to start. Jenkins was good too but I wasn't convinced by Adam Jones at all. O'Connell was good but needs to get told to stop showing up in the centre. Croft was anonymous but he did his duties at the breakdown so I'd still consider him a cert in the absence of Ferris. Wallace was excellent on the floor and looked good in open play. Heaslip is a cert.
I was getting ****** off at the utter slowness of Phillips in the first half but he was way better in the second half. O'Gara has made Jones a certainty at outhalf. BOD and Roberts confirm that they're not a one hit wonder.
Fitzgerald looks lively and dangerous and Williams was better than he was in the previous matches but every other wing has still put in a better performance than him. And it's between Fitzgerald and Monye for the second wing for me. Monye and Bowe to start the next match.
Byrne was excellent again. Hurrah. And that's that.
Breakdown is still messy and I hope the IRB come up with some intelligent way to clean it up (during the summer) without turning the sport into rugby-league - I think the failure of the ELVs shows that we don't want that.
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Cymro
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Monkeypigeon @ Jun 10 2009, 08:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
He was ... Im fed up of people not understanding the scrum. Du Plessis was always going to ground, was funny that. Apparently Rowntree had a word before half time with the 4th Official who past it on the Kaplan.
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I was shocked to come back from the pub and not find a load of people having left comments about the first half reffing at the scrum. It was so obvious that Jenkins was being ripped off by the retardedness pf the reffing. I won't blame Kaplan because he was on the wrong side but whoever is linesman was should have picked it up....Barnes I believe was the one focking it up the most.
Meers had a good game and he looks like a cert to start. Jenkins was good too but I wasn't convinced by Adam Jones at all. O'Connell was good but needs to get told to stop showing up in the centre. Croft was anonymous but he did his duties at the breakdown so I'd still consider him a cert in the absence of Ferris. Wallace was excellent on the floor and looked good in open play. Heaslip is a cert.
I was getting ****** off at the utter slowness of Phillips in the first half but he was way better in the second half. O'Gara has made Jones a certainty at outhalf. BOD and Roberts confirm that they're not a one hit wonder.
Fitzgerald looks lively and dangerous and Williams was better than he was in the previous matches but every other wing has still put in a better performance than him. And it's between Fitzgerald and Monye for the second wing for me. Monye and Bowe to start the next match.
Byrne was excellent again. Hurrah. And that's that.
Breakdown is still messy and I hope the IRB come up with some intelligent way to clean it up (during the summer) without turning the sport into rugby-league - I think the failure of the ELVs shows that we don't want that.
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What I cant understand with the ruck area is the fact that players are allowed to go off their feet. The last few games I have watched the SA Clubs do this and dont get penalised for it.
Also Barnes came up with a quality quote during commentary, after Du Plessis was penalised in the second half. "The Man Wally Fingered!"
He was ... Im fed up of people not understanding the scrum. Du Plessis was always going to ground, was funny that. Apparently Rowntree had a word before half time with the 4th Official who past it on the Kaplan.
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I was shocked to come back from the pub and not find a load of people having left comments about the first half reffing at the scrum. It was so obvious that Jenkins was being ripped off by the retardedness pf the reffing. I won't blame Kaplan because he was on the wrong side but whoever is linesman was should have picked it up....Barnes I believe was the one focking it up the most.
Meers had a good game and he looks like a cert to start. Jenkins was good too but I wasn't convinced by Adam Jones at all. O'Connell was good but needs to get told to stop showing up in the centre. Croft was anonymous but he did his duties at the breakdown so I'd still consider him a cert in the absence of Ferris. Wallace was excellent on the floor and looked good in open play. Heaslip is a cert.
I was getting ****** off at the utter slowness of Phillips in the first half but he was way better in the second half. O'Gara has made Jones a certainty at outhalf. BOD and Roberts confirm that they're not a one hit wonder.
Fitzgerald looks lively and dangerous and Williams was better than he was in the previous matches but every other wing has still put in a better performance than him. And it's between Fitzgerald and Monye for the second wing for me. Monye and Bowe to start the next match.
Byrne was excellent again. Hurrah. And that's that.
Breakdown is still messy and I hope the IRB come up with some intelligent way to clean it up (during the summer) without turning the sport into rugby-league - I think the failure of the ELVs shows that we don't want that.
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What I cant understand with the ruck area is the fact that players are allowed to go off their feet. The last few games I have watched the SA Clubs do this and dont get penalised for it.
Also Barnes came up with a quality quote during commentary, after Du Plessis was penalised in the second half. "The Man Wally Fingered!"
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feicarsinn
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Thought the backs were quite lively tonight, Byrne was immense as per usual, same for BOD. Fitzgerald and Roberts both looked lively but Shane once again failed to impress. Philips was excellent and has booked his test place now I huess but 10 remains open to debate after a mixed performance from Rog
In the forwards the backrow was much more competitive. Wallace and Heislip worked well at the breakdown and croft looked good around the park. The lineout was secure and AWJ and POC did their fair bit share of carrying around the park. Front row was alright I guess, but thescrums were very messy.
All in all good, but nothing to write home about. Should have scored more in the 1st half and we can expect a bigger test next time out
In the forwards the backrow was much more competitive. Wallace and Heislip worked well at the breakdown and croft looked good around the park. The lineout was secure and AWJ and POC did their fair bit share of carrying around the park. Front row was alright I guess, but thescrums were very messy.
All in all good, but nothing to write home about. Should have scored more in the 1st half and we can expect a bigger test next time out
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shtove
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Yeah, agree with all that - except maybe ...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Monkeypigeon @ Jun 11 2009, 07:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Differences:
One can tackle, the other can execute perfect cross-field kicks
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ROG has beaten SA. Jones hasn't.
I guess it's Jones, but I'd like to see the Saffer wings behind their own line trying to field ROG bombs all day long.
BOD's tramline run was great - every stride added fear to the defence, then perfect timing and Fitz was in.
In the interests of balance, the Sharks kicked their penalty well. Actually I missed that bit, which was really disappointing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Monkeypigeon @ Jun 11 2009, 07:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Very similar players, both look good with quick ball but bad with stodgy ball.
Differences:
One can tackle, the other can execute perfect cross-field kicks
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ROG has beaten SA. Jones hasn't.
I guess it's Jones, but I'd like to see the Saffer wings behind their own line trying to field ROG bombs all day long.
BOD's tramline run was great - every stride added fear to the defence, then perfect timing and Fitz was in.
In the interests of balance, the Sharks kicked their penalty well. Actually I missed that bit, which was really disappointing.
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Bumbadum
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shtove @ Jun 10 2009, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
In the interests of Gethin Jenkins, it wasnt a penalty.
Incidentially, did anyone else spot the big **** eating grin on Jenks face when Du Plessis got a penalty against him and a little word in his ear in the second half?
In the interests of Gethin Jenkins, it wasnt a penalty.
Incidentially, did anyone else spot the big **** eating grin on Jenks face when Du Plessis got a penalty against him and a little word in his ear in the second half?
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shazbooger
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cymro @ Jun 10 2009, 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
The second one was the scrum. It was clear that the lions were dominant but again they werent allowed to take advantage of it. I rate Kaplan so I dont think its the ref, I think its the SH interpretation of the rules and its driving me nuts cause its not the game I know.
As for the match. That was more like a 70 point win without the score. Complete domination, the Sharks scrapped well but they were completely outplayed.
Yeah and you can see its beginning to confuse the Lions players as well. Every single ruck, the Sharks were off their feet playing the player or the ball, it looks completely foreign to me as NH refs ping those so quickly. We tend to be sneakier up here so that looks blatantly illegal. It has been consistent over the past three games though so maybe its something the Lions are going to have to re-learn. You can see their confusion and frustration with the refereeing.
The second one was the scrum. It was clear that the lions were dominant but again they werent allowed to take advantage of it. I rate Kaplan so I dont think its the ref, I think its the SH interpretation of the rules and its driving me nuts cause its not the game I know.
As for the match. That was more like a 70 point win without the score. Complete domination, the Sharks scrapped well but they were completely outplayed.
- O'Connell was good in the air, made some decent yards but needs to get back in and do the dirty work. Thought he should have been on the ref's case a bit more. O'Driscoll took about 2 minutes before giving Kaplan an earful coming up to the end. O'Connell is usually much more vocal so in confused me a bit.
- Heaslip had a fantastic game, Wallace looked the part and Croft seemed to grow into it, not a bad balance but I'd like to see more from Croft or I'll still be pining for Ferris. Its weird seeing Heaslip as the enforcer on the pitch but him and Jenkins put in some nice big hits, often together. Imagine adding Ferris's physicality to it.
- Kockett was fairly shite if you ask me. All attitute, all hype, all mouth, no product. Same for the leightweight number 8. Laughed when he bounced off Jones and Jones threw him away like a ragdoll.
- Thought Philips made one mistake in the game when he was slow to release messy ball. Wasnt totally his fault and when faced with the same situation in the second half he committed himself to the rook and saved a turnover. He did okay with slow ball, looked much better when the presentation improved.
- O'Gara, hmmmmmmm okay he definately did kick once or twice too often but the variety he offered was unlike anything I've seen from him, or any of the outhalves in a while. They were dangerous kicks and would have freaked out the defensive coach of the Boks. I was happy enough to know that both main outhalves seem to be in reasonably decent form.
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shazbooger
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Oh and what did Vickery do? They didnt show a replay on Sky, well not while I was looking.
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An Tarbh
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think he took the man out without the ball, they were just about to show it on the replay but then went straight back to the action cause they started the replay from too far back.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Logorrhea @ Jun 11 2009, 08:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
The second one was the scrum. It was clear that the lions were dominant but again they werent allowed to take advantage of it. I rate Kaplan so I dont think its the ref, I think its the SH interpretation of the rules and its driving me nuts cause its not the game I know.
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I thought the series was being played under the NH version 3.6.4.56.43.321 ELV's? No but seriously its obvious the refs around the world are having a bloody nightmare with the fecking rules changing every month and between every competition.
One side always comes out of a game ****** off about the reffing these days! Bring back rucking!!!!!! It will solve all problems
Yeah and you can see its beginning to confuse the Lions players as well. Every single ruck, the Sharks were off their feet playing the player or the ball, it looks completely foreign to me as NH refs ping those so quickly. We tend to be sneakier up here so that looks blatantly illegal. It has been consistent over the past three games though so maybe its something the Lions are going to have to re-learn. You can see their confusion and frustration with the refereeing.
The second one was the scrum. It was clear that the lions were dominant but again they werent allowed to take advantage of it. I rate Kaplan so I dont think its the ref, I think its the SH interpretation of the rules and its driving me nuts cause its not the game I know.
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I thought the series was being played under the NH version 3.6.4.56.43.321 ELV's? No but seriously its obvious the refs around the world are having a bloody nightmare with the fecking rules changing every month and between every competition.
One side always comes out of a game ****** off about the reffing these days! Bring back rucking!!!!!! It will solve all problems
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Meh
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O'Gara.
3rd choice fly half behind Hook now imo. Hook is better and covers two positions. O'Gara looks like he's going to drop a bomb every time he gets the ball.
Apart from that I'm too tired to say anything else. Most the good and bad uns were the same. Roberts and all 'at.
Getting worried by O'Connell. He's been average.
3rd choice fly half behind Hook now imo. Hook is better and covers two positions. O'Gara looks like he's going to drop a bomb every time he gets the ball.
Apart from that I'm too tired to say anything else. Most the good and bad uns were the same. Roberts and all 'at.
Getting worried by O'Connell. He's been average.
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Jer1cho
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Well, here is my take on both teams, and the game itself.
In essence, i knew this would be a runaway once the Lions started stringing together their passes, and completing their phases. With 10 starters out of that Sharks team, they were never going to have the players score tries against such a well organized defense. It started off well for the Sharks, as they really had some very well organized defense patterns, and put in some really hard hits. One did feel though, that it was only a matter of time before the Lions eventually broke their lines.
This is one of the first games i have seen where virtually the entire first half took place on one teams goal-line! So, the Sharks managed to hold the Lions out to only one try, and at half time, the score was 7-3 to the Lions. It should have been more, had Ronan O'Gara not practiced his 'this is how i play ball with my son' skills out on the field. It took a while for the Lions to get used to the conditions, but i think everyone knew that the second half would see them get it right.
So the second half started pretty much how everyone expected it to. The Lions were finally getting the ball out to their back-line, and every time the ball went to the likes of Roberts or O'Driscoll, one knew a try was imminent. Lee Byrne was heavily in the mix too, and Luke Fitzgerald was always looking for work. Special mention must go to scrum-half Mike Phillips. He has surely done enough now to ensure the test spot, as he was always dangerous with his sneaky darts around the fringes, and pin-point passes to the backs. All in all, apart from Shane Williams who saw too little ball too be effective, the back play was solid, and i think come test time, the Lions should be very settled at the back. My possible Lions test backline is:
15) Lee Byrne
14) Tommy Bowe
13) BOD
12) Jamie Roberts (Hopefully his shoulder is not too serious
11) Monye should take this one, though Fizgerald could put in another big one and steal it.
10) Stephen Jones
9) Mike Phillips
Now, onto the forwards. Scrum time was an incredible mess, with neither the players, or the referee knowing what to do. In the breakdowns however, it was all Lions. Nearly every time the Sharks went into the tackle, there were 2 or more Lions contending for the ball. Special mention must go to Jamie Heaslip and David Wallace, who showed time and time again how important a quality fetcher is. Another ball thief on the night was prop Gethin Jenkins. Really awesome to see a prop do the kind of work he did last night! Tom Croft was very quiet on the night, but i think it's due to the physicality, as Croft is suited to a more running (or free-flow) type of game, such as the one against the Golden Lions. Hooker Lee Mears was also very solid, and carried the ball on a number of occasions, as well as scoring a good try. POC did not have a really busy night, but was seen doing a lot of the dirty work. Wyn-Jones was again below par for me, and i feel he will need to step up to match the likes of Matfield and Botha. Here is my possible Lions forward pack:
1) Gethin Jenkins
2) Lee Mears
3) Euan Murray
4) Alan-Wyn Jones
5) POC
6) Tommy Croft
7) David Wallace
8) Jamie Heaslip
All in all, the Sharks never had the team to take on a group of players with the quality of the Lions. Western Province will be a tougher battle, and the Lions will hope to have sorted the last bit of their issues out by then. Well done to the Lions, who played some good rugby. The Springboks who were their last night would have made some notes, and we are in for an incredible test series!!! That's my mini-analysis for now.
My man of the match: Jamie Heaslip
In essence, i knew this would be a runaway once the Lions started stringing together their passes, and completing their phases. With 10 starters out of that Sharks team, they were never going to have the players score tries against such a well organized defense. It started off well for the Sharks, as they really had some very well organized defense patterns, and put in some really hard hits. One did feel though, that it was only a matter of time before the Lions eventually broke their lines.
This is one of the first games i have seen where virtually the entire first half took place on one teams goal-line! So, the Sharks managed to hold the Lions out to only one try, and at half time, the score was 7-3 to the Lions. It should have been more, had Ronan O'Gara not practiced his 'this is how i play ball with my son' skills out on the field. It took a while for the Lions to get used to the conditions, but i think everyone knew that the second half would see them get it right.
So the second half started pretty much how everyone expected it to. The Lions were finally getting the ball out to their back-line, and every time the ball went to the likes of Roberts or O'Driscoll, one knew a try was imminent. Lee Byrne was heavily in the mix too, and Luke Fitzgerald was always looking for work. Special mention must go to scrum-half Mike Phillips. He has surely done enough now to ensure the test spot, as he was always dangerous with his sneaky darts around the fringes, and pin-point passes to the backs. All in all, apart from Shane Williams who saw too little ball too be effective, the back play was solid, and i think come test time, the Lions should be very settled at the back. My possible Lions test backline is:
15) Lee Byrne
14) Tommy Bowe
13) BOD
12) Jamie Roberts (Hopefully his shoulder is not too serious
11) Monye should take this one, though Fizgerald could put in another big one and steal it.
10) Stephen Jones
9) Mike Phillips
Now, onto the forwards. Scrum time was an incredible mess, with neither the players, or the referee knowing what to do. In the breakdowns however, it was all Lions. Nearly every time the Sharks went into the tackle, there were 2 or more Lions contending for the ball. Special mention must go to Jamie Heaslip and David Wallace, who showed time and time again how important a quality fetcher is. Another ball thief on the night was prop Gethin Jenkins. Really awesome to see a prop do the kind of work he did last night! Tom Croft was very quiet on the night, but i think it's due to the physicality, as Croft is suited to a more running (or free-flow) type of game, such as the one against the Golden Lions. Hooker Lee Mears was also very solid, and carried the ball on a number of occasions, as well as scoring a good try. POC did not have a really busy night, but was seen doing a lot of the dirty work. Wyn-Jones was again below par for me, and i feel he will need to step up to match the likes of Matfield and Botha. Here is my possible Lions forward pack:
1) Gethin Jenkins
2) Lee Mears
3) Euan Murray
4) Alan-Wyn Jones
5) POC
6) Tommy Croft
7) David Wallace
8) Jamie Heaslip
All in all, the Sharks never had the team to take on a group of players with the quality of the Lions. Western Province will be a tougher battle, and the Lions will hope to have sorted the last bit of their issues out by then. Well done to the Lions, who played some good rugby. The Springboks who were their last night would have made some notes, and we are in for an incredible test series!!! That's my mini-analysis for now.
My man of the match: Jamie Heaslip
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Jockstap
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For people who keep saying O'Connell has been poor are you watching the same matches as me? He's been by far the best Lock to play for the Lions so far and the South African Pundits agree with me, I' m watching the games in New Zealand where we get the South African Coverage and the pundits keep saying how excellent O'Connel's been playing and that coming from a country with the likes of Matfield and Botha is one hell of a compliment.
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Bumbadum
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Don't much get what all the fuss about OGara kicking it around is. He was under a lot of pressure from an up-very-quick defence and a not-so-lightning-fast delivery from Phillips in the first half and so knocking a ball or two around was the best option in most cases - a couple of them going astray notwithstanding.
It's a big part of his game and something Jones doesn't do particularly well, and if they're not going to try different approaches in the provincial games, when are they going to do it? In fact, i'd be happy enough to put money on him being encouraged to try the tactic by the coaching staff.
I still favour Jones for the test spot personally, and have done all along. I prefer his game, he's tougher and more reliable, but there's not a damn thing wrong with what ROG was up to last night. Not to mention that his goal kicking was impeccable.
Besides that, Byrne, Mears, Wallace, Heaslip, Jenkins, Phillips, Roberts and BOD all look like they've cemented a test spot. I wouldn't expect many (or any) of them to play on Saturday.
POC I thought had another good game but still needs to be in tighter and get his hands on more dirty work, though he was considerably better at that last night than he was in the previous game. AWJ gave a decent account of himself but POC's partner in the second row is still very much a non-certainty. I'd expect a combo from AWJ/Hines/Doc for the next game.
I think that was Williams' last ever start for the Lions, although he'll probably come on as a sub in plenty of the remaining games. Moyne and Fitz to slug it out for that test spot over the next two games.
It's a big part of his game and something Jones doesn't do particularly well, and if they're not going to try different approaches in the provincial games, when are they going to do it? In fact, i'd be happy enough to put money on him being encouraged to try the tactic by the coaching staff.
I still favour Jones for the test spot personally, and have done all along. I prefer his game, he's tougher and more reliable, but there's not a damn thing wrong with what ROG was up to last night. Not to mention that his goal kicking was impeccable.
Besides that, Byrne, Mears, Wallace, Heaslip, Jenkins, Phillips, Roberts and BOD all look like they've cemented a test spot. I wouldn't expect many (or any) of them to play on Saturday.
POC I thought had another good game but still needs to be in tighter and get his hands on more dirty work, though he was considerably better at that last night than he was in the previous game. AWJ gave a decent account of himself but POC's partner in the second row is still very much a non-certainty. I'd expect a combo from AWJ/Hines/Doc for the next game.
I think that was Williams' last ever start for the Lions, although he'll probably come on as a sub in plenty of the remaining games. Moyne and Fitz to slug it out for that test spot over the next two games.
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Count of Devonshire
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Does anyone know what Big Phil was binned for? I know he was one of the few players around after Williams (Or was it ROG) made an atrocious pass and the Lions were under pressure, but getting binned at this stage minutes after coming on is most aggravating. Especially when the only other chap really competing for that place is Murray.
I still don't get it with our captain. He carries too much despite not being a ball carrier. He doesn't offload and gets isolated. He isn't hitting the rucks. Even Shaw put himself about more when he came on.
I still don't get it with our captain. He carries too much despite not being a ball carrier. He doesn't offload and gets isolated. He isn't hitting the rucks. Even Shaw put himself about more when he came on.
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shazbooger
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I was critical of that but his ball carrying has been pretty effective. Its all about the gain line, and getting over it one way or another. He's not going to create line breaks but he will get over that line and give the pack a chance to turn slow ball into fast ball.
I thought O'Connell was pretty effective. The only complaint I had was that he wasnt in the ref's ear all game, but you dont see it all on TV. Maybe he was.
I thought O'Connell was pretty effective. The only complaint I had was that he wasnt in the ref's ear all game, but you dont see it all on TV. Maybe he was.
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stevemagoo
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After all the chatter from the previous matches about POC and his carrying i decided to watch him closely last night - i would tend to agree that he is definitely carrying way more than he usually would, but out of the 9 (or 10 maybe) times that he carried, he was pinged once for holding on - Now i wouldn't exactly consider that terrible - Regarding hitting rucks? He's obviously been designated a pod runner off of them in attack so wouldn't be hitting a massive amount anyway and in defence i would agree that he's standing off a little too much.. All in all though i would agree with all of the above - ROG out, Jones in - Williams out having been given all 4 games to prove himself and not doing so!! BOD/Roberts midfield axis etc etc..
Roll on WP where we'll probably see darce and flutey in mids, bowe, monye and kearney back 3 and Jones cementing his 10 spot.
Roll on WP where we'll probably see darce and flutey in mids, bowe, monye and kearney back 3 and Jones cementing his 10 spot.
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MunsterMan
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O'Connell carrying too much? He has to make up for the pretty boy blindside standing out on the wing doesn't he?
ROG wasn't as his best, but it's flyhalf 101, when you get sluggish service from your scrumhalf and the defence rushes up the kicks in behind are always preferable to hospital passes to your centres, he got the same criticism after Italy game in the 6N.
Shaw came on had a positive impact of the bench, to my surprise. Hope he keeps it up. Vickery on the other hand, reinforced everything I think about him, he dove face first onto the floor at scrumtime, he was as bad as Du Plessis in the first half, and gave away a stupid penalty and got sin binned. Murray for the tests now.
Byrne, O'Driscoll, Roberts, Wallace, Heaslip, and Jenkins and probably Murray are tests certs now. O'Connell hasn't been at his best either, but he is the best lock on tour and is the captain.
ROG wasn't as his best, but it's flyhalf 101, when you get sluggish service from your scrumhalf and the defence rushes up the kicks in behind are always preferable to hospital passes to your centres, he got the same criticism after Italy game in the 6N.
Shaw came on had a positive impact of the bench, to my surprise. Hope he keeps it up. Vickery on the other hand, reinforced everything I think about him, he dove face first onto the floor at scrumtime, he was as bad as Du Plessis in the first half, and gave away a stupid penalty and got sin binned. Murray for the tests now.
Byrne, O'Driscoll, Roberts, Wallace, Heaslip, and Jenkins and probably Murray are tests certs now. O'Connell hasn't been at his best either, but he is the best lock on tour and is the captain.
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Sir Speedy
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What, and after last night Phillips and Jones aren't certs either? Blair isn't going to miraculously come back into form, and you can gripe about Phillips passes all you want, but ROG was under par and Jones and Hook are both ahead of him at the moment; Jones hasn't been behind him since the Autumn Tests, let's be honest.
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Cymro
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sir. Speedy @ Jun 11 2009, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
If only Phillips was Irish and Jones English ...
If only Phillips was Irish and Jones English ...
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