SARU confident over Kings S15 bid

[Fushitsusha]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (snoopy snoopy dog dog @ Sep 27 2009, 01:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Would Sydney be able to support a second team? The Waratahs don't exactly attract fans in their droves.

I agree, a SA franchise in an "Australian" conference seems daft. A Victorian franchise based in Melbourne seems the best option if they can get the financing together. A question I'd have is whether the Australian playing base is large enough to support another team. Should Victoria win out, there'll be a hell of a lot of non-Australian players brought in to all their franchises in order to fill out the rosters.[/b]

Yes it can. I think Australia's problem is ignoring rugbys heartlands. Sydney's population is 4million. Sydney has nine rugby league teams, AFL wants to plonk a 2nd team there.. a second team in Sydney would generate more interest than a Melbourne team. West Sydney is a mission to get to the SFS in the Eastern Suburbs and this team can represent the the entire west and north sydney. A team for all the bored polynesians out there lost to rugby league.

Who says Melbourne would work? AFL heartland with a presence of league.
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East Sydney, West Sydney and North Sydney are already represented by a team - they're called the NSW Waratahs...

We can't have the NSW Waratahs, and the Western Sydney Rams or whatever... you can't have the state go up against a team that only represents a group of suburbs within a city within that state... it's stupid, really really stupid... and it will further disrupt the Tahs already dwindling fanbase...

The NSWRU just need to put more effort into making rugby attractive in Western Sydney...

And why would North Sydney rugby fans give a f*** about a Western Sydney team?
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According to your theory Tasmania and South Australia would be better options than a West Sydney team because we already have a NSW team.

Technically they don't represent the whole of NSW when they are based in Sydney.. most of their fans are from the Eastern Suburbs. Do you think it's easy for rugby fans in Penrith, Parramatta, Campbelltown, parts of North Sydney etc to make it to the SFS? and Southern NSW is Brumbies territory.

The one crowd at ANZ in Western Sydney got the highest Waratahs crowd all year of 32k. Your team abandoned what it represents a couple of years ago and are now just The Brumbies.. no reason why the NSW Waratahs can't do the same.

I think West Sydney Rams and Sydney Waratahs would be better for the game imo. Possibly a Fibros vs Silvertails rivalry, and the people of NSW can choose a team they want to support. Melbourne is AFL mad, the Storm have needed assistance (5-10 million) from news ltd since 1998 just to stay alive.. imo rigged too so they have the best players playing for them under a salary cap.. no surprise the two news ltd (Broncos and Storm) teams have done well every year? Heck I reckon a second Brisbane rugby team would be better than a Melbourne side given the amount of juniors we are producing.
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Rugby league has no history in Melbourne and was always destined to fail... Melbourne have a good rugby history and continue to produce talent and there are a lot of ex-pat Kiwis down there...

My 'theory' of course wouldn't apply to Tasmania or South Australia...
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Destined to fail? They are in their 4th grand final in a row, their crowds are up and have gotten around 30k to their finals (one of them played on the night of the AFL grand final). Western Force worked because there were rugby starved fans and people who didnt like AFL, Melbourne Storm have done the same in Melbourne. Do you think a Perth rugby league team would be a success in 2012/13?
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The Storm bleed money and they don't have a very strong Melbourn fanbase with generally low crowd numbers despite their on field successes. You'll find more rugby supporters down in Melbourne than Storm fans.

AFL will always dominate the Melbourne sporting landscape but there is room for a rugby team.

 

[smartcooky]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fushitsusha @ Sep 29 2009, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

....... You'll find more rugby supporters down in Melbourne than Storm fans.

AFL will always dominate the Melbourne sporting landscape but there is room for a rugby team.[/b]

I concur 100%

Victorian Rugby League --- 13 clubs, 746 registered players (521 adults & 225 juniors)

Victorian Rugby Union ----- 26 clubs, 5473 registered players (2,272 adults & 3,201 juniors)

No contest

 

[Jethro]

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why did the western reds turn to **** in the 90's and the force have succeded? is it because all those ex pat setheffrikens in perth don't like league?[/b]

For the kiwis, WA is very much AFL territory with both the Eagles and the Dockers playing in the national league. There's really no tradition of league, ergo the NRL tried unsuccessfully to establish a team over there. With high numbers of expat Kiwis and Saffas in the west Rugby has more of a chance to be viable. Can't find any links, still looking, but the Force are facing financial issues, though some payment was not made to them by a sponsor or some such. Season ticket holder numbers have steadily been in decline, and the S15 isn't going to help with the expat contingent hardly likely to rock on up for the Force v Brumbies.

Melbourne is going to be a much harder nut to crack, try getting a live tellie feed of even a Bledisloe game down there, and with the principal sponsor already pulling the pin it looks like another grandiose JON plan destined to cost the ARU a boat load of cash.

 

[Wally]

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why did the western reds turn to **** in the 90's and the force have succeded? is it because all those ex pat setheffrikens in perth don't like league?[/b]

For the kiwis, WA is very much AFL territory with both the Eagles and the Dockers playing in the national league. There's really no tradition of league, ergo the NRL tried unsuccessfully to establish a team over there. With high numbers of expat Kiwis and Saffas in the west Rugby has more of a chance to be viable. Can't find any links, still looking, but the Force are facing financial issues, though some payment was not made to them by a sponsor or some such. Season ticket holder numbers have steadily been in decline, and the S15 isn't going to help with the expat contingent hardly likely to rock on up for the Force v Brumbies.

Melbourne is going to be a much harder nut to crack, try getting a live tellie feed of even a Bledisloe game down there, and with the principal sponsor already pulling the pin it looks like another grandiose JON plan destined to cost the ARU a boat load of cash.
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What's this about the principal sponsor pulling the pin? I think you are confused with the other bidding team pulling out siting an inability to work with the VRU. It's not a great start but as far as I know they're financially sound.

 

[Jethro]

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why did the western reds turn to **** in the 90's and the force have succeded? is it because all those ex pat setheffrikens in perth don't like league?[/b]

For the kiwis, WA is very much AFL territory with both the Eagles and the Dockers playing in the national league. There's really no tradition of league, ergo the NRL tried unsuccessfully to establish a team over there. With high numbers of expat Kiwis and Saffas in the west Rugby has more of a chance to be viable. Can't find any links, still looking, but the Force are facing financial issues, though some payment was not made to them by a sponsor or some such. Season ticket holder numbers have steadily been in decline, and the S15 isn't going to help with the expat contingent hardly likely to rock on up for the Force v Brumbies.

Melbourne is going to be a much harder nut to crack, try getting a live tellie feed of even a Bledisloe game down there, and with the principal sponsor already pulling the pin it looks like another grandiose JON plan destined to cost the ARU a boat load of cash.
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What's this about the principal sponsor pulling the pin? I think you are confused with the other bidding team pulling out siting an inability to work with the VRU. It's not a great start but as far as I know they're financially sound.
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So in an AFL dominated market the loss of major sponsorship revenue is all fine and dandy :wacko: Yeap this expansion is soundly more solid every week.

 

[QLD]

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why did the western reds turn to **** in the 90's and the force have succeded? is it because all those ex pat setheffrikens in perth don't like league?[/b]

For the kiwis, WA is very much AFL territory with both the Eagles and the Dockers playing in the national league. There's really no tradition of league, ergo the NRL tried unsuccessfully to establish a team over there. With high numbers of expat Kiwis and Saffas in the west Rugby has more of a chance to be viable. Can't find any links, still looking, but the Force are facing financial issues, though some payment was not made to them by a sponsor or some such. Season ticket holder numbers have steadily been in decline, and the S15 isn't going to help with the expat contingent hardly likely to rock on up for the Force v Brumbies.

Melbourne is going to be a much harder nut to crack, try getting a live tellie feed of even a Bledisloe game down there, and with the principal sponsor already pulling the pin it looks like another grandiose JON plan destined to cost the ARU a boat load of cash.
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What's this about the principal sponsor pulling the pin? I think you are confused with the other bidding team pulling out siting an inability to work with the VRU. It's not a great start but as far as I know they're financially sound.
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So in an AFL dominated market the loss of major sponsorship revenue is all fine and dandy :wacko: Yeap this expansion is soundly more solid every week.
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Agreed. Why the rush into the Melbourne market? In West Sydney alone there's 30,000 rugby league juniors and I think 5000 union juniors. Way more potential in that area. Something for all the bored polynesians out there.

 

[Nickdnz]

http://www.allblacks.com/news/11217/Melbou...or-Super-15-bid Interesting.

 

[BLR]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jethro @ Sep 30 2009, 05:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

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why did the western reds turn to **** in the 90's and the force have succeded? is it because all those ex pat setheffrikens in perth don't like league?[/b]

For the kiwis, WA is very much AFL territory with both the Eagles and the Dockers playing in the national league. There's really no tradition of league, ergo the NRL tried unsuccessfully to establish a team over there. With high numbers of expat Kiwis and Saffas in the west Rugby has more of a chance to be viable. Can't find any links, still looking, but the Force are facing financial issues, though some payment was not made to them by a sponsor or some such. Season ticket holder numbers have steadily been in decline, and the S15 isn't going to help with the expat contingent hardly likely to rock on up for the Force v Brumbies.

Melbourne is going to be a much harder nut to crack, try getting a live tellie feed of even a Bledisloe game down there, and with the principal sponsor already pulling the pin it looks like another grandiose JON plan destined to cost the ARU a boat load of cash.[/b][/quote]
Force is fine financially, many well off people in high places who are rugby fans, plus it has international exposure. The AFL rabble can't compete. As for the membership numbers, expect to see it rise now we are out of Subi and actually in a rectangular stadium, even if it is sub standard. Subi was a horrendous ground, watching rugby 30 metres away from the action isn't good for crowd satisfaction is it? Don't over-estimate the amount of expats in Perth, plenty of Aussie fans, don't listen to the douchebag media. The derbies are always a good game, if the numbers are substandard you better believe the passion of the supporters more than makes up for it, more so then in NZ and SA games.

 

[Jethro]

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why did the western reds turn to **** in the 90's and the force have succeded? is it because all those ex pat setheffrikens in perth don't like league?[/b]

For the kiwis, WA is very much AFL territory with both the Eagles and the Dockers playing in the national league. There's really no tradition of league, ergo the NRL tried unsuccessfully to establish a team over there. With high numbers of expat Kiwis and Saffas in the west Rugby has more of a chance to be viable. Can't find any links, still looking, but the Force are facing financial issues, though some payment was not made to them by a sponsor or some such. Season ticket holder numbers have steadily been in decline, and the S15 isn't going to help with the expat contingent hardly likely to rock on up for the Force v Brumbies.

Melbourne is going to be a much harder nut to crack, try getting a live tellie feed of even a Bledisloe game down there, and with the principal sponsor already pulling the pin it looks like another grandiose JON plan destined to cost the ARU a boat load of cash.[/b][/quote]
Force is fine financially, many well off people in high places who are rugby fans, plus it has international exposure. The AFL rabble can't compete. As for the membership numbers, expect to see it rise now we are out of Subi and actually in a rectangular stadium, even if it is sub standard. Subi was a horrendous ground, watching rugby 30 metres away from the action isn't good for crowd satisfaction is it? Don't over-estimate the amount of expats in Perth, plenty of Aussie fans, don't listen to the douchebag media. The derbies are always a good game, if the numbers are substandard you better believe the passion of the supporters more than makes up for it, more so then in NZ and SA games.
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Which is why of course WA has always been a force in Australian rugby. Dude take out the expats and you are not going to have a viable market over there, and btw I think its going to impact here in NSW as well. I have certainly dropped off going to every Tah game each season, given the crap style we played this year that's a given, with a conference system I'll show up for the Reds game and that's it have no interest in Aussie derbies.

"if the numbers are substandard" - you lose sponsorship and media interest, media being pretty much uninterested at the moment. Remember the NBL? You know the sport that did actually have a national competition till 7 pulled the pin and it all came crashing down. No sport can survive in this country without free to air converge, the S15 has?

 

[Wally]

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why did the western reds turn to **** in the 90's and the force have succeded? is it because all those ex pat setheffrikens in perth don't like league?[/b]

For the kiwis, WA is very much AFL territory with both the Eagles and the Dockers playing in the national league. There's really no tradition of league, ergo the NRL tried unsuccessfully to establish a team over there. With high numbers of expat Kiwis and Saffas in the west Rugby has more of a chance to be viable. Can't find any links, still looking, but the Force are facing financial issues, though some payment was not made to them by a sponsor or some such. Season ticket holder numbers have steadily been in decline, and the S15 isn't going to help with the expat contingent hardly likely to rock on up for the Force v Brumbies.

Melbourne is going to be a much harder nut to crack, try getting a live tellie feed of even a Bledisloe game down there, and with the principal sponsor already pulling the pin it looks like another grandiose JON plan destined to cost the ARU a boat load of cash.
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What's this about the principal sponsor pulling the pin? I think you are confused with the other bidding team pulling out siting an inability to work with the VRU. It's not a great start but as far as I know they're financially sound.
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So in an AFL dominated market the loss of major sponsorship revenue is all fine and dandy :wacko: Yeap this expansion is soundly more solid every week.
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Man what are you talking about? No corporate dollars have been lost, just the three bidding teams have been condensed to one.