RWC Semi Final: France - Wales (15-08-2011, 21:00)

[Thingimubob]

Thats digusting whay they're writing about Alain Rolland or Bryce Lawrence. Good on Rolland for having the balls to give a red card in such a match. Completely Warburtons fault for testing the ref in the first place and a dumb tackle at that. It was always going to be a card of some sort. As long as if there is another tackle like that and it ends in a sending off its all good. Players should know better to not do anything even remotely dodgy in a finals match, Warbutrton did and paid the price.

Why should a finals match be refereed more strictly than any other? Hence my point about inconsistency from the decisions in the pool matches...

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Thats digusting whay they're writing about Alain Rolland or Bryce Lawrence. Good on Rolland for having the balls to give a red card in such a match. Completely Warburtons fault for testing the ref in the first place and a dumb tackle at that. It was always going to be a card of some sort. As long as if there is another tackle like that and it ends in a sending off its all good. Players should know better to not do anything even remotely dodgy in a finals match, Warbutrton did and paid the price.

On the the bold bit, I have seen one or two spear tackles go unpunished in games since this August memo. I will tell you and safely put £5 that one will not get carded in a game soon during a televised game, nothing really will be said or the fuss given to it as this one.

 

[Sam Owen]

Problem is and I am getting a little cheesed off by a few members starting to generalise e.g. Welsh fans, TRF members etc ... I am sorry but I think you find most of the Welsh posters have accepted that it was a red card (yellow for some) offence and I don't think these people have agreed or said anything like what is being said in those groups.

When Nigel was under pressure, it was his private life that was being attacked and by a professional rugby player, all of which was quite frankly disgusting. There was one or two ... WUMs / Trolls of whom which agreed with Sapolu. Hence the up roar.

Stop the general assumption or at least give the names of people who you are talking about.

Take a chill pill Cymmy, read where its says Alain Rolland here on TRF posts, see if how many say he had a wonderful game. Actually read also facebook and even the Welsh Rugby in the media (eg. Warren Gatland and maybe a little of Phillips) they got a few things to say about Rolland. Im just giving it back the way my people got it. Equality in this forum NO ONE is higher than the other. Freedom of speech.

 

[munstermuffin]

Just to change the record a bit simply because there has been roughly 30-40 pages about a red card and the was it wasn't it saga, here's a new question - IF France were to win the final (and well this is possible as France are a team that can turn it on whenever) will Lievremont be still up for axe or will he be held up as a hero and how will this relationship between him and his players be?

 

[Sam Owen]

That Facebook page is pathetic and yes, it is disgusting what people are saying about the refs.

Time for those people to grow up.

Thats digusting whay they're writing about Alain Rolland or Bryce Lawrence. Good on Rolland for having the balls to give a red card in such a match.

Thank you, yous have finally arrived lol.

Like when I was defending Nigel Owens to my fellow Samoans, to blame the reff after the game is just all in vain and deep down it doesnt really fix anything, your team still lost. You know your team is good and one to be proud of and thats the main thing. Shouldnt forget your team and remember the reff only.

Our forum is for talking about the reff also but abuse of the reff and nothing else is a not a good post. Some Samoan posters here on TRF were trying to talk about Owens bad points in a civilised way but was asked to becareful of what they say. I just think the rules should apply to all.

Its all good when your team is winning, everyone including the reffs, IRB are all good but when your team loses, some find all these issues (which most are valid). Its just that, there was no issues before and to me that sounds suuky like Sapolu lol.

 

[Amiga500]

Why should a finals match be refereed more strictly than any other? Hence my point about inconsistency from the decisions in the pool matches...

In how many of those instances was a retrospective ban imposed?

[Which would indicate the referee got it wrong at the time]

 

[ret]

If that was a red card tackle then the Aus NZ semi could end up turning into a seven a side game. I thought Wales lost mainly due to having no effective back up for Priestland. Hook and Jones were simply not up to it.

 

[TRF_RC]

Fans - and to some extent players and coaches - will always have a go at the referee after a match like last nights, or SA v AUS or even the NZ V FRA in 2007. That's just something i've come to accept and vowed never to do.
He's human, if he makes a wrong call, he makes a wrong call. There's nothing you can do about it and there's certainly no point in doing it. It's silly really.
However, seeing the homophobic remarks the Samoans wrote about Nigel Owens is just disgusting.
As much as fans need something/someone to blame after a difficult game, which i'm more than happy to be lenient about until the emotion dies down a little, to go use such horrific language to another human is beyond pathetic and i have no time for such idiots. They should be made an example of.

 

[TRF_RC]

If that was a red card tackle then the Aus NZ semi could end up turning into a seven a side game. I thought Wales lost mainly due to having no effective back up for Priestland. Hook and Jones were simply not up to it.

Also very much in agreement!
We have notions of Hook being a fantastic no.10, but having basically no practice there in the past few years he was not up to it last night. I thought it was a good decision when Stephen Jones came on, but he too just seemed...past it, almost. He was directionless, his kicking was aimless and he didn't control the game at all.

 

[Sam Owen]

Fans - and to some extent players and coaches - will always have a go at the referee after a match like last nights, or SA v AUS or even the NZ V FRA in 2007. That's just something i've come to accept and vowed never to do.
He's human, if he makes a wrong call, he makes a wrong call. There's nothing you can do about it and there's certainly no point in doing it. It's silly really.
However, seeing the homophobic remarks the Samoans wrote about Nigel Owens is just disgusting.
As much as fans need something/someone to blame after a difficult game, which i'm more than happy to be lenient about until the emotion dies down a little, to go use such horrific language to another human is beyond pathetic and i have no time for such idiots. They should be made an example of.

Hey dont just mention the Samoans only!

Its happening to Bryce Lawrence and Alain Rolland and Im sure its not "Samoans" this time round buddy.

The comments about Rolland and Lawrence are also disgusting, those people also should be made an example of too, dont you think?....

 

[Thingimubob]

In how many of those instances was a retrospective ban imposed?

[Which would indicate the referee got it wrong at the time]

All I think. All well and good that they gave bans AFTER the match, but what use is that to the match result? Lets say Rolland and the IRB come out tomorrow and say 'we got it wrong' (not gonna happen as IRB always back their under fire refs to save face, no matter what), still means bugger all as we're in the 3rd place play off rather than the final. Bans will be handed out no matter what the card is, but if the Warburtons was a red, then so should've been those two as well.

 

[TRF_RC]

Hey dont just mention the Samoans only!

Its happening to Bryce Lawrence and Alain Rolland and Im sure its not "Samoans" this time round buddy.

The comments about Rolland and Lawrence are also disgusting, those people also should be made an example of too, dont you think?....

Don't get me wrong, i don't condone ANY fans having a go at referees, but if they want to blame referees on a forum like this they are more than entitled to. Freedom of speech and all that.
But if there are Welsh fans going on Rolland's FB page and putting him down then yes, something should be done about it.
I'm not just pointing fingers at Samoans, i was just trying to emphasise that with homophobic remarks as such the supporters should be ashamed.
The fans are getting to be worse than soccer fans at this rate!

 

[Thingimubob]

If that was a red card tackle then the Aus NZ semi could end up turning into a seven a side game. I thought Wales lost mainly due to having no effective back up for Priestland. Hook and Jones were simply not up to it.

Still very strange to here that from an Aussie (or any SH supporter tbf) Priestland was an internationally unknown 2nd choice no.10 at Llanelli (who'd been forced into the no.15 shirt because of that) this time last year! Crazy to think how well he's done and how well known he's become! Probably wouldn't have seen him as much if it hadn't have been for Jones getting injured in the build up to our first warm up! Thought Jones did much better than Hook when he was on, badly fluffed that DG though!

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Just to bring this back up from 40 odd pages ago

Who will play 7 next week?
There's no one to play 7, apart from Warburton, in the squad is there?

6. Jones
7. Lydiate
8. Faletau

19. Powell

?

 

[Sam Owen]

Don't get me wrong, i don't condone ANY fans having a go at referees, but if they want to blame referees on a forum like this they are more than entitled to. Freedom of speech and all that.
But if there are Welsh fans going on Rolland's FB page and putting him down then yes, something should be done about it.
I'm not just pointing fingers at Samoans, i was just trying to emphasise that with homophobic remarks as such the supporters should be ashamed.
The fans are getting to be worse than soccer fans at this rate!

Oh ok, were in the same team, my bad.

Yeah just reading through some of these posts, theres some good points made about Rollands refereeing. Hes been around a long time, shouldnt be making some of these errors.

 

[ACT1NUP]

Why should a finals match be refereed more strictly than any other? Hence my point about inconsistency from the decisions in the pool matches...

Simply because of what riding on it. They don't chuck the best performing referees into finals matches for nothing, they want the game officiated in a strict but fair manner and fair enough. Players think they have got it bad, think about the poor refs who are damned if they do and damned if they don't. End of the day there will always be inconsistent referee performances due to the many, many grey areas in rugbys rules.

 

[Aout]

Don't know if it has been mentioned but Florian Fritz (who's French and plays for Stade Toulousain) received a red card from A. Rolland last year against the Wasps in Hcup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymkBd17K8lc

Therefore we can hardly say he's inconstant.

 

[TVH11]

Don't know if it has been mentioned but Florian Fritz (who's French and plays for Stade Toulousain) received a red card from A. Rolland last year against the Wasps in Hcup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymkBd17K8lc

Therefore we can hardly say he's inconstant.

That was a red???? WTF??? Certainly seems very very harsh to say the least! that was yellow at a push, but ther we are, all up for interpretation i guess.

On the whole ref thing, you can question one's decisions but bringing personal life into the matter is just unacceptable, its very sickening and pathetic. He made a call on the pitch, has nothing to do with his personal life (likewise with other ref's). Same thing goes with players fighting etc - leave it on the pitch!! (unless your Justin Marshall and Mike Phillips ).

On the number 7 note, really don't see who can play. I see Martyn Williams is in NZ

 

[smartcooky]

In how many of those instances was a retrospective ban imposed?

[Which would indicate the referee got it wrong at the time]

All three at the RWC so far

You can read the Decisions of the Judicial Officers here;

http://www.irb.com/mm/document/tournament/mediazone/02/05/69/51/111003jodecisionfabriceestebanez(france).pdf


http://www.irb.com/mm/document/tournament/mediazone/02/05/12/03/111003jodecisionsukanaialuhufanga(tonga).pdf


http://www.irb.com/mm/document/tournament/mediazone/02/05/12/01/110920jodecision-dominikowaqaniburotu(fiji)10.4(j).pdf

The fact that the Judicial Officers have given all three players suspensions, means that they are telling the referee in each case, that they have got it wrong, that that they should have given Red Cards

That is effectively Four Tip Tackles = Four Red Cards for RWC2011 so far.

 

[Taylo2]

That was a red???? WTF??? Certainly seems very very harsh to say the least! that was yellow at a push, but ther we are, all up for interpretation i guess.

On the whole ref thing, you can question one's decisions but bringing personal life into the matter is just unacceptable, its very sickening and pathetic. He made a call on the pitch, has nothing to do with his personal life (likewise with other ref's). Same thing goes with players fighting etc - leave it on the pitch!! (unless your Justin Marshall and Mike Phillips ).

On the number 7 note, really don't see who can play. I see Martyn Williams is in NZ

complete with broken arm lol top lad though, met him friday night here, he came to a Q&A in our hotel, right off the back of his flight, poor lad must have been flagging big time!