RWC: Australia - Ireland (17-09-2011 20:30)

[TRF_stormer2010]

Sheesh. I read that Irish line-up and thought.. well that looks like close to their best; gonna be a close match particularly if the weather turns foul.... then proceded to read the comments of the Irish posters on here and thought... wow, I really do know nothing about Irish rugby LOL.

 

[Conal]

Sheesh. I read that Irish line-up and thought.. well that looks like close to their best; gonna be a close match particularly if the weather turns foul.... then proceded to read the comments of the Irish posters on here and thought... wow, I really do know nothing about Irish rugby LOL.

the players have the talent and skill
just execution and form in any combonations seems to elude us at the minute

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

the players have the talent and skill
just execution and form in any combonations seems to elude us at the minute

Well, any South African knows what that feels like. May both the teams in green find some spark from somewhere.

 

[MunsterMan]

Cullen? If anyone can convince he will offer more impact of the bench than Ryan I would be shocked. If POC gets injured he will wear the number 5 jersey. Otherwise he won't be in the 22 while Ryan and DOC are fit. Jennings ahead of Leamy you can make a far better case for. Murray will have much more of an impact coming from the bench than Boss. Think we could see Reddan play for 80 though.

Anyway, the real controversial selection is Earls over Trimble. Trimble has been just about our best player lately.

 

[Logorrhea]

Last week should count against Leamy more than Jennings, particularly as your bench now has 2 guys who can play 6 and none who can play 7.

Yep. We also have three guys on the pitch that can cover 6 if required. I wonder does Kidney still think we need D Ryans "versatility" or does he seriously think hes a better lock then Cullen? Also, why would we need Leamy to play 6 or 8, when we have plenty of versatility from the players on the pitch. Not picking Jennings is another joke of a decision.

The selection of Earls over Trimble is unfair (so much for form) but to follow it up with the selection of Trimble on the bench seems a bit daft, unless you think Earls can actually play 13. God help us.

I can accept the first 15, but the bench stinks.

Cullen? If anyone can convince he will offer more impact of the bench than Ryan I would be shocked.

I'm sorry but do you actually think Ryan is a lock at all? If so, do you seriously think hes a better lock then Cullen? I would boldly put it to you that the Leinster captain and two time HEC winning lock is a better lock then Munsters number 6, and so hes in a better position to have an impact when playing in that position.

What are we going to do is O'Connell gets injured during a game? Who'll call the lineout? Who'll power the scrum? Who'll carry DOC?

 

[monkeypigeon]

Yep. We also have three guys on the pitch that can cover 6 if required. I wonder does Kidney still think we need D Ryans "versatility" or does he seriously think hes a better lock then Cullen? Also, why would we need Leamy to play 6 or 8, when we have plenty of versatility from the players on the pitch. Not picking Jennings is another joke of a decision.

The selection of Earls over Trimble is unfair (so much for form) but to follow it up with the selection of Trimble on the bench seems a bit daft, unless you think Earls can actually play 13. God help us.

I can accept the first 15, but the bench stinks.


I'm sorry but do you actually think Ryan is a lock at all? If so, do you seriously think hes a better lock then Cullen? I would boldly put it to you that the Leinster captain and two time HEC winning lock is a better lock then Munsters number 6, and so hes in a better position to have an impact when playing in that position.

What are we going to do is O'Connell gets injured during a game? Who'll call the lineout? Who'll power the scrum? Who'll carry DOC?

Timble played his first few matches for Ireland at centre...I remember Rugby World Magazine bigging him and he was front cover (for the Ireland print).

 

[Logorrhea]

Timble played his first few matches for Ireland at centre...I remember Rugby World Magazine bigging him and he was front cover (for the Ireland print).

He doesnt play in the centre for Ulster and hasnt played there for Ireland in a gizzillion years. If uncle dec was thinking he as an option hes madder then I thought.

On a side point it looks like Flannery's calf has blown up. A serious shame but hardly surprising.

 

[monkeypigeon]

He doesnt play in the centre for Ulster and hasnt played there for Ireland in a gizzillion years. If uncle dec was thinking he as an option hes madder then I thought.

On a side point it looks like Flannery's calf has blown up. A serious shame but hardly surprising.

We'll find out about Flannery soon enough. But he must be on the verge of retiring if it's a bad one.

I didn't say Trimble was a good option, just that he is an option. He played a game at centre for Ulster last year and he had a fairly average game. If he's capable of throwing a decent pass to the wing from centre, he might be a better option than Earls. I know I'd rather have Trimble who hasn't played at inside centre for about three years coming on for D'Arcy than have Paddy Wallace coming on for him.

Doesn't matter anyway, it's not going to happen, they'd move Earls in. Is Danielli still at Ulster this season?

 

[TNT88]

O'Connor in for Ioane, simple change for us.

This game will be won up front. It will be very physical, I reckon our guys will be up for it.

 

[munstermuffin]

Flannery out of RWC. Varley on way to NZ.

 

[monkeypigeon]

Flannery out of RWC. Varley on way to NZ.

Varley who's now second choice at Munster?

 

[profitius]

Varley who's now second choice at Munster?

With everyone there hes third choice behind Flannery and Sherry. I think hes a poor player to have to call up.

 

[monkeypigeon]

With everyone there hes third choice behind Flannery and Sherry. I think hes a poor player to have to call up.

I was kind of excluding Flannery there. I meant second choice behind Sherry

 

[jovialjonny]

very sad for flannery, thats probably the end of him, looks like this calf problem just wont go away.

 

[Peat]

We'll find out about Flannery soon enough. But he must be on the verge of retiring if it's a bad one.

I didn't say Trimble was a good option, just that he is an option. He played a game at centre for Ulster last year and he had a fairly average game. If he's capable of throwing a decent pass to the wing from centre, he might be a better option than Earls. I know I'd rather have Trimble who hasn't played at inside centre for about three years coming on for D'Arcy than have Paddy Wallace coming on for him.

Doesn't matter anyway, it's not going to happen, they'd move Earls in. Is Danielli still at Ulster this season?

Yes he is. Contract expires at the end of this season and short of magically transforming into Jonah Lomu, its not getting extended.

Trimble's passing has never been a strong point. You could put worse people into the centre, but I'd most definitley put Wallace ahead of him at 12 - and quite possibly 13 too. The space and freedom of a winger suit Trimble. It would be a waste placing him inside.

If I was Kidney with that team, I'd put Bowe into the centres before either of Trimble or Earls.

 

[monkeypigeon]

Yes he is. Contract expires at the end of this season and short of magically transforming into Jonah Lomu, its not getting extended.

Trimble's passing has never been a strong point. You could put worse people into the centre, but I'd most definitley put Wallace ahead of him at 12 - and quite possibly 13 too. The space and freedom of a winger suit Trimble. It would be a waste placing him inside.

If I was Kidney with that team, I'd put Bowe into the centres before either of Trimble or Earls.

UI shall accept your superior knowldge on Truimble at centre.

Agreed about Bowe to. I was astounded when hEarls was moved to thirteedn against England for the Warm up when McFadden came on.

Who have Mcfadden and Bowe on the wing, and Earls at centre.

Baffling.

 

[munstermuffin]

@ Monkeypigeon - With Varley gone we still have good options at 2 here and they all looked good in training today.
Sherry - Can really fight his way in to Irish set-up and had a good start to the season
Fogarty - A good squad player for situations like this when numbers are down
Sean Henry - A nice player who is as good as others just waiting for his break.

Now on to people who are constantly *****ing and moaning about Deccie Kidney's selections instead of having a bit of faith and passion and pulling the finger out and just getting on with supporting the boys in green.
Healy - Is our best LH prop simple as
Best - Even had Flannery been fit he deserved his start after a good game last week and he is our best 2 in the tight. Hope his darts are good.
Ross - Our only TH prop worth of a green jersey
O'Callaghan - Lucky in some peoples eyes to start but experienced
O'Connell - A vital player ball continues to rediscover form
Ferris - Looked good last week and hopefully the human wrecking continues to rediscover form
O'Brien - We need to have a big game out of him
Heaslip - Not in great form but is a player who can perform
Reddan - Hasn't had best of times in green jersey but deserves chance
Sexton - The right call here with 10 jersey
Earls - People say Trimble is unlucky but Earls hasn't had much bad form on the wing.
D'Arcy - In awful form but if this is last few times we see D'Arcy in the 12 jersey for Ireland I hope he can turn it around
O'Driscoll - Vital like O'Connell and hopefully we can get a big game off him.
Bowe - Needs to up his game again and hopefully give us another big game
Kearney - Deserves a go

Cronin - Is next in line so no complaints
Court - Best of 2 bad alternatives
* Ryan - Will comment after
** Leamy - Same as before
Murray - Wasn't too bad last week and can play a role in this game and it'll help he's off the radar slightly
*** O'Gara will comment after
Trimble - Unlucky to loose out but will play a part

* Donnacha Ryan
If people are going to be bullish about this and say Ryan is not a lock then obviously they haven't watched Munster playing as he has played lock plenty of times and never let us down there. Let's not forget Donnacha Ryan removed O'Callaghan from the team and O'Callaghan got back in at the expense of Leamy. Ryan is a physical player who can compete and well if ye are going to ***** and moan that Keith Earls had 2 bad games in the centre for Ireland lets not forget Leo Cullen was **** poor in the AI's too. So fair play to Donnacha Ryan and if he gets on I know he can perform and well hope he does perform well.

** Denis Leamy
If David Wallace was fit our options would've been - Wallace Ferris Heaslip and O'Brien (Wallace is only natural 7 there) so it same scenario as now. People don't like Leamy fair enough, Will Leamy ever be up in same class as 4 named? Probably not but he will contribute more than Jennings who had a golden chance last week to nail in 22 and froze simple as. He has never delivered in green and don't give me this BS of he's never played in big games etc he's had enough training camps etc and has failed and if he wasn't a Leinster player then even Leinster fans would agree. Again if Leamy gets on I hope he has a good shift.

*** Ronan O'Gara
If any guy argubally could be annoyed and throw toys out of pram he can, but he's not because he know's it best for the team. Sexton's style of game isn't great coming off the bench and it's the correct call starting him at 10. He can unleash the backs better and if O'Gara comes on winning or loosing his style is much better suited to make the impact and it's a game I hope both ROG and Sexton can make positive contributions and realize it's a competition on the training field but come Saturday these guys can be very dangerous working in tandem and well cause the Aussies very big problems.

Lastly this isn't to all Leinster fans but will ye please pull the finger out and stop *****ing and moaning at every call that involves a Leinster player loosing out, it's an Irish team not a F**king Leinster, Munster or Ulster team. The Irish staff see these guys 2/3 times a day training and well instances like the 2nd row position, DOC isn't in best form but if the other 2 were any bit up for a challenge and had a bit of hunger they should've been like dogs in training and hit everything. Maybe that is how Ryan got his spot and that goes for every position so quit the crap and stop sulking and maybe try support the Irish team and if that not what you want then F**k off and watch soccer because you obviously not to interested in wanting us to succeed at this World Cup.

 

[Peat]

UI shall accept your superior knowldge on Truimble at centre.

Agreed about Bowe to. I was astounded when hEarls was moved to thirteedn against England for the Warm up when McFadden came on.

Who have Mcfadden and Bowe on the wing, and Earls at centre.

Baffling.

In fairness, I could be wrong. I've seen plenty of Trimble, but not that much of him at centre. But all his best moments either depend on coming into the line or getting the ball in space - or kickchasing. When he pops up at first receiver for Ireland, he's useful, but he doesn't seem a possible game changer.

The Earls at centre McFadden on the wing one was just odd though. But then, people have been talking about Earls as a 13 for ages. Dunno how he's gone there for Munster that well, but there's been plenty of chat about him being BOD's heir... think this tournament might have killed that!

edit: Also, Mike Sherry should have gone instead of Varley.

 

[munstermuffin]

In fairness, I could be wrong. I've seen plenty of Trimble, but not that much of him at centre. But all his best moments either depend on coming into the line or getting the ball in space - or kickchasing. When he pops up at first receiver for Ireland, he's useful, but he doesn't seem a possible game changer.

The Earls at centre McFadden on the wing one was just odd though. But then, people have been talking about Earls as a 13 for ages. Dunno how he's gone there for Munster that well, but there's been plenty of chat about him being BOD's heir... think this tournament might have killed that![/QUOTE]
In Munster the coaching team realized a long time ago he is a top winger and average 13, hence Danny Barnes breaking in to the side and I think even Kidney knows Keith's future is in the back 3

 

[monkeypigeon]

The Earls at centre McFadden on the wing one was just odd though. But then, people have been talking about Earls as a 13 for ages. Dunno how he's gone there for Munster that well, but there's been plenty of chat about him being BOD's heir... think this tournament might have killed that!

He had a couple of good games coming upto the Lions tour at 13 but since then he's shown his best position is on the wing or occasionally at fullback when the other team is looking tired or kicking badly. He's being trying to hard at 13 and forgets the basics,



Agree with you on most things Muffin but I don't want the Leinster guys picking at my carcass so I'll leave you to it.