Rugby World Cup 2011 Official Game

[lucky number 7]

Just curious..how is it less common?

"some mature logic and reasoning."

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Post 474 was pretty straight forward. Obviously not.

A company is not going to make / produce a game for a certain platform if they are not going to profit from it. One major problem is piracy. It has been mentioned on this forum in other posts that piracy is a problem and was a problem with Rugby 08.





Duw rhoi i mi nerth

 

[Duckdee]

Natural Motion has nothing to do with 505 though - two completely separate companies, 505 just happened to publish Backbreaker, just as they're publishing RWC2011

Sidhe are using a piece of Natural Motion software (not Euphoria), just to make things a little bit more confusing. HB might be using it too, you never know.

 

[Shimon]

Post 474 was pretty straight forward. Obviously not.

Alright we're just starting to nitpick here.

My thought was that piracy was a lost sale, they're aren't making any money but they weren't losing any money. It's like if an art piece went up onto the internet, you've lost sales, but you haven't lost any money?
When I mean lost money; I mean actually lose money not theoretically lose it from the stolen copy.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Sidhe are using a piece of Natural Motion software (not Euphoria), just to make things a little bit more confusing. HB might be using it too, you never know.

Interesting stuff!
Of course HB could be using euphoria/whatever but there's no reason to think they should be because they're working with a company that published one in the past

We can all dream though :lol:

 

[lucky number 7]

We can all dream though :lol:

I dream of a better world ...a world where a chicken can cross the road without having his motives questioned...

 

[best_fullback]

Alright we're just starting to nitpick here.

My thought was that piracy was a lost sale, they're aren't making any money but they weren't losing any money. It's like if an art piece went up onto the internet, you've lost sales, but you haven't lost any money?
When I mean lost money; I mean actually lose money not theoretically lose it from the stolen copy.

Ah now you're missing the point. HB are losing money for every copy that is pirated as it would have been money they would have had made were they not pirated.

Think about it:

For example: HB sell 100,000 copies of Rugby 08 for £10 each. That year 50,000 copies are pirated. If pirating wasn't an option then these people would only be able to acquire the game if they buy it. Therefore HB has reached 150,000 gamers but only got return from 100,000 of those people.

The copies that are paid for would be £1m. The pirated games, if they were bought would have been £500,000. Therefore HB have lost up to £500,000 of profit (because you have to account for the fact that some pirate gamers wouldn't have bought the game if they couldn't download it). It doesn't matter if it isn't money being taken from their account because they should be receiving money for every copy sold.

 

[Shimon]

Ah now you're missing the point. HB are losing money for every copy that is pirated as it would have been money they would have had made were they not pirated.

Think about it:

For example: HB sell 100,000 copies of Rugby 08 for £10 each. That year 50,000 copies are pirated. If pirating wasn't an option then these people would only be able to acquire the game if they buy it. Therefore HB has reached 150,000 gamers but only got return from 100,000 of those people.

The copies that are paid for would be £1m. The pirated games, if they were bought would have been £500,000. Therefore HB have lost up to £500,000 of profit (because you have to account for the fact that some pirate gamers wouldn't have bought the game if they couldn't download it). It doesn't matter if it isn't money being taken from their account because they should be receiving money for every copy sold.

Alright, cheers.

I guess I've also been comparing HB to more bigger PC studios.

 

[JJR]

Jeez...can't believe how long it can take someone to understand something fairly simple to grasp...quite amazing, really.

 

[Shimon]

Jeez...can't believe how long it can take someone to understand something fairly simple to grasp...quite amazing, really.

I apologise for not understanding a topic you yourself stated you were not 100% sure about.

 

[Getofmeland]

Wow that was a lot of debate over piracy... Can we try and get back on topic now, and talk about the release of the game and what features you would like to see.

I think we all need to ignore the fact that the game has SO FAR only announced 20 Teams, which is obviously the world cup teams... There will be more announcements, we have 6 months to fill, so its going to be fun!

 

[Getofmeland]

Hmmmmm, I'll reserve judgement until I see it I think. At the moment though, I'm pretty disappointed that it's only the World Cup teams (although I'm sure the leagues will be in there somewhere as you have to remember that the link up is with RWC 2011 hence the reason why that was pushed) and the fact that it's only on the PS3 & 360. I think HB Studios have missed a huge opportunity not opening it up to the PC market as Rugby Challenge 2011 (The new Lomu game) will surely take all of that market now.

Rugby Challenge is not the NEW Lomu Game! They just happen to have Lomu in their game, the original Jonah Lomu game, was never about the licensing it was about the gameplay and I think both games need to be judged on the gameplay... rugby is not like football, the unions are only just starting to learn how to exploit and make money... In a few years I can see this being taken further... Hopefully both games will be a success, but I will be judging on Gameplay rather than licensing.

 

[Teh Mite]

I may just add that the most backward statement of the lot is "This sucks, 20 teams" then in the same paragraph twittering about how wonderful JLR was when it had.... 29 teams* and one game mode. And no licenses.


*one of those teams was made up of entirely Jonah Lomus.

 

[ranger]

Also on the 360 I think I am right in saying that Microsoft ban people from playing Live if they have a chipped machine, so its a massive incentive not to pirate games on the console.

Yeah, to run a chipped machine you really have to stay up to date on firmware and stay posted on internet forums to see which games to avoid and which dlcs will catch you. Not at all worth the hassel

 

[Radman]

Rugby Challenge is not the NEW Lomu Game! They just happen to have Lomu in their game, the original Jonah Lomu game, was never about the licensing it was about the gameplay and I think both games need to be judged on the gameplay... rugby is not like football, the unions are only just starting to learn how to exploit and make money... In a few years I can see this being taken further... Hopefully both games will be a success, but I will be judging on Gameplay rather than licensing.

Totally agree, will go with the one with the most depth in its gameplay.

 

[JJR]

I apologise for not understanding a topic you yourself stated you were not 100% sure about.

Was not 100% sure about the process of being able to play pirated games on 360 and Ps3; i always knew it was way more difficult to play Pirated games on Consoles than on PC.
The whole point was that HB lose too much money from PC games, because it is so easy to play pirated discs/copy pirated discs. No one here really understood what you could not understand. HB made a very wise dicision to not make Rugby for PC this year. Also Xbox 360 and Ps3 will allow them to develop a game that they will be very proud of; due to ability to have awesome visuals, etc. Plus there is no Rugby Union game on these Top Consoles; so they will make a lot more money, cos there are tons of people getting sick of playing Fifa; realistic gameplay and graphics are awesome, but we want that in Rugby form...not getting FIFA this year that is 4 sure...Rugga all the way!

The fact that you knew the comment was directed at you tells the whole story...u know you were just being difficult on Purpose.

 

[best_fullback]

Rugby Challenge is not the NEW Lomu Game! They just happen to have Lomu in their game, the original Jonah Lomu game, was never about the licensing it was about the gameplay and I think both games need to be judged on the gameplay... rugby is not like football, the unions are only just starting to learn how to exploit and make money... In a few years I can see this being taken further... Hopefully both games will be a success, but I will be judging on Gameplay rather than licensing.

I may just add that the most backward statement of the lot is "This sucks, 20 teams" then in the same paragraph twittering about how wonderful JLR was when it had.... 29 teams* and one game mode. And no licenses.

*one of those teams was made up of entirely Jonah Lomus.

You're both 100% speaking my language.

I would just like to remind people of the two greatest founding sports games ever from the 90s that still set a benchmark for how sports gaming should be viewed nowadays:

ISS Pro Evolution II


Look here. This was the greatest sports game I had ever played until Fifa 11 last year. The gameplay was unparalleled and I still crack it out sometimes at uni to play my mates. Absolutely zero licences; it also didn't have most of the player names as you might be able to pick out from the video (Boeier - Bowyer, Bridjis - Bridges, Woodgett - Woodgate etc) but it didn't detract from the enjoyment of the game at all.

Jonah Lomu Rugby



Do I need to explain anything? Let the video do all the talking. No licences, fantastic gameplay. Still have it up at uni so I can play it on my PS3. Watching some of these tries just make me want to play it now.

What is my point of showing this to you? My point is don't raise your expectations as high as the sky in regard to getting a fantastically rounded game. I personally don't understand why we do, when gaming like this back in my youth was fantastic. Because of games like this I am still totally reasonable in regards of expectations for the aesthetics of a game, as long as the gameplay is good. Obviously if the gameplay is shocking and there are no licences then it adds nothing, but equally if gameplay is shocking and there are all the licences under the sun you should really be asking yourself why are you playing this game? Sports gaming after all is about replicating a sport for enjoyment - and watching a licence carousel is no fun.

 

[Shimon]

The fact that you knew the comment was directed at you tells the whole story...u know you were just being difficult on Purpose.

I was the only one who didn't understand piracy at the time, so it had to be me?
I apologise though; I did interpret it differently.

But please for the love of god; don't say they should develop on consoles instead of PC for the "awesome visuals".

 

[best_fullback]

But please for the love of god; don't say they should develop on consoles instead of PC for the "awesome visuals".

No-one has said that because we know its not true. It is to do with piracy.

 

[JJR]

I was the only one who didn't understand piracy at the time, so it had to be me?
I apologise though; I did interpret it differently.

But please for the love of god; don't say they should develop on consoles instead of PC for the "awesome visuals".

I am Guessing you are so upset cause you play all ur games on PC and not on console? Understandable if that is the case. Your right, graphics are around same level (if u have a sick graphics card); i just prefer Consoles to PC. Prefer sittin on the couch, lookin at a nice big screen.