Revenge is a dish best served cold Osama!!!

[nickdnz]

An interesting Martin Luther Jr quote I found: "I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that". Seems to be flying around the internet lately, but it makes a good point.

 

[smartcooky]

....he was a combatant in a war in which he died in, he wasn't an innocent civilian, so it's not murder.

I agree. Those who bleat that the killing of Bin Laden was murder, and unjustified, or claiming that the USA has gone beyond their mandate, might well want to keep the following in mind;

Osama Bin Laden declared war on all "kafir" everywhere. Any way you try to slice it, that is you and me folks, because a "kafir" is an unbeliever; anyone not of the Islamic faith. He was therefore a leader of an organisation that is dedicated to YOUR destruction, with a proven track record of following up on their threats.....

[TEXTAREA]

• 1993 (Feb.): Bombing of World Trade Center (WTC); 6 killed.
• 1993 (Oct.): Killing of U.S. soldiers in Somalia.
• 1996 (June): Truck bombing at Khobar Towers barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killed 19 Americans.
• 1998 (Aug.): Bombing of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania; 224 killed, including 12 Americans.
• 1999 (Dec.): Plot to bomb millennium celebrations in Seattle foiled when customs agents arrest an Algerian smuggling explosives into the U.S.
• 2000 (Oct.): Bombing of the USS Cole in port in Yemen; 17 U.S. sailors killed.
• 2001 (Sept.): Destruction of WTC; attack on Pentagon. Total dead 2,992.
• 2001 (Dec.): Man tried to denote shoe bomb on flight from Paris to Miami.
• 2002 (April): Explosion at historic synagogue in Tunisia left 21 dead, including 11 German tourists.
• 2002 (May): Car exploded outside hotel in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 14, including 11 French citizens.
• 2002 (June): Bomb exploded outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12.
• 2002 (Oct.): Boat crashed into oil tanker off Yemen coast, killing 1.
• 2002 (Oct.): Nightclub bombings in Bali, Indonesia, killed 202, mostly Australian citizens.
• 2002 (Nov.): Suicide attack on a hotel in Mombasa, Kenya, killed 16.
• 2003 (May): Suicide bombers killed 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
• 2003 (May): 4 bombs killed 33 people targeting Jewish, Spanish, and Belgian sites in Casablanca, Morocco.
• 2003 (Aug.): Suicide car-bomb killed 12, injured 150 at Marriott Hotel in Jakarta, Indonesia.
• 2003 (Nov.): Explosions rocked a Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, housing compound, killing 17.
• 2003 (Nov.): Suicide car-bombers simultaneously attacked 2 synagogues in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 25 and injuring hundreds.
• 2003 (Nov.): Truck bombs detonated at London bank and British consulate in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 26.
• 2004 (March): 10 bombs on 4 trains exploded almost simultaneously during the morning rush hour in Madrid, Spain, killing 191 and injuring more than 1,500.
• 2004 (May): Terrorists attacked Saudi oil company offices in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, killing 22.
• 2004 (June): Terrorists kidnapped and executed American Paul Johnson, Jr., in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
• 2004 (Sept.): Car bomb outside the Australian embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia, killed 9.
• 2004 (Dec.): Terrorists entered the U.S. Consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, killing 9 (including 4 attackers).
• 2005 (July): Bombs exploded on 3 trains and a bus in London, England, killing 52.
• 2005 (Oct.): 22 killed by 3 suicide bombs in Bali, Indonesia.
• 2005 (Nov.): 57 killed at 3 American hotels in Amman, Jordan.
• 2006 (Jan.): Two suicide bombers carrying police badges blow themselves up near a celebration at the Police Academy in Baghdad, killing nearly 20 police officers. Al-Qaeda in Iraq takes responsibility.
• 2006 (Aug.): Police arrest 24 British-born Muslims, most of whom have ties to Pakistan, who had allegedly plotted to blow up as many as 10 planes using liquid explosives. Officials say details of the plan were similar to other schemes devised by al-Qaeda.
• 2007 (April): Suicide bombers attack a government building in Algeria's capital, Algiers, killing 35 and wounding hundreds more. Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb claims responsibility.
• 2007 (April): Eight people, including two Iraqi legislators, die when a suicide bomber strikes inside the Parliament building in Baghdad. An organization that includes al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia claims responsibility. In another attack, the Sarafiya Bridge that spans the Tigris River is destroyed.
• 2007 (June): British police find car bombs in two vehicles in London. The attackers reportedly tried to detonate the bombs using cell phones but failed. Government officials say al-Qaeda is linked to the attempted attack. The following day, an SUV carrying bombs bursts into flames after it slams into an entrance to Glasgow Airport. Officials say the attacks are connected.
• 2007 (Dec.): As many as 60 people are killed in two suicide attacks near United Nations offices and government buildings in Algiers, Algeria. The bombings occur within minutes of each other. Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, formerly called the Salafist Group for Preaching, claims responsibility. It's the worst attack in the Algeria in more than 10 years.
• 2007 (Dec.): Benazir Bhutto, former Pakistani prime minister, is assassinated in a suicide attack on Dec. 27, 2007, at a campaign rally in Rawalpindi, Pakistan. President Pervez Musharraf blames al Qaeda for the attack, which kills 23 other people. Baitullah Mehsud, a Taliban leader with close ties to al Qaeda is later cited as the assassin.
• 2008 (Jan.): In the worst attack in Iraq in months, a suicide bomber kills 30 people at a home where mourners were paying their respects to the family of a man killed in a car bomb. The Iraqi military blames the attack on al-Qaeda in Iraq.
• 2008 (Feb.): Nearly 100 people die when two women suicide bombers, who are believed to be mentally impaired, attack crowded pet markets in eastern Baghdad. The U.S. military says al-Qaeda in Iraq has been recruiting female patients at psychiatric hospitals to become suicide bombers.
• 2008 (April): A suicide bomber attacks the funeral for two nephews of a prominent Sunni tribal leader, Sheik Kareem Kamil al-Azawi, killing 30 people in Iraq's Diyala Province.
• 2008 (April): A suicide car bomber kills 40 people in Baquba, the capital of Diyala Province in Iraq.
• 2008 (April): Thirty-five people die and 62 are injured when a woman detonates explosives that she was carrying under her dress in a busy shopping district in Iraq's Diyala Province.
• 2008 (May): At least 12 worshipers are killed and 44 more injured when a bomb explodes in the Bin Salman mosque near Sana, Yemen.
• 2008 (May): An al-Qaeda suicide bomber detonates explosives in Hit, a city in the Anbar Province of Iraq, killing six policemen and four civilians, and injuring 12 other people.
• 2008 (June): A car bomb explodes outside the Danish Embassy in Pakistan, killing six people and injuring dozens. Al-Qaeda claims responsibility, saying the attack was retaliation for the 2006 publication of political cartoons in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten that depicted the Islamic prophet Muhammad.
• 2008 (June): A female suicide bomber kills 15 and wounds 40 others, including seven Iraqi policemen, near a courthouse in Baquba, Iraq.
• 2008 (June): A suicide bomber kills at least 20 people at a meeting between sheiks and Americans in Karmah, a town west of Baghdad.
• 2008 (Aug.): About two dozens worshippers are killed in three separate attacks as they make their way toward Karbala to celebrate the birthday of 9th-century imam Muhammad al-Mahdi. Iraqi officials blame al-Qaeda in Iraq for the attacks.
• 2008 (Aug.): A bomb left on the street explodes and tears through a bus carrying Lebanese troops, killing 15 people, nine of them soldiers. No one claims responsibility for the attack, but in 2007, the army fought an al-Qaeda linked Islamist group in Tripoli.
• 2008 (Aug.): At least 43 people are killed when a suicide bomber drives an explosives-laden car into a police academy in Issers, a town in northern Algeria.
• 2008 (Aug.): Two car bombs explode at a military command and a hotel in Bouira, killing a dozen people. No group takes responsibility for either attack, Algerian officials said they suspect al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb is behind the bombings.
• 2008 (Sept.): In its first acknowledged ground attack inside Pakistan, U.S. commandos raid a village that is home to al-Qaeda militants in the tribal region near the border with Afghanistan. The number of casualties is unclear.
• 2008 (Sept.): A car bomb and a rocket strike the U.S. embassy in Yemen as staff arrived to work, killing 16 people, including 4 civilians. At least 25 suspected al-Qaeda militants are arrested for the attack.
• 2008 (Nov.): at least 28 people die and over 60 more are injured when three bombs explode minutes apart in Baghdad, Iraq. Officials suspect the explosions are linked to al-Qaeda.
• 2009 (April): on April 6 in Baghdad, a series of six attacks kills 36 people and injure more than 100 in Shiite neighborhoods; April 23: at least 80 people are killed in three separate suicide bombings in Baghdad. This is the largest single-day death toll due to attacks since February 2008. One of the bombings is reportedly set off by a female, who was standing among a group of women and children receiving food aid.
• 2009 (Dec.): A Nigerian man on a flight from Amsterdam to Detroit attempted to ignite an explosive device hidden in his underwear. The explosive device that failed to detonate was a mixture of powder and liquid that did not alert security personnel in the airport. The alleged bomber, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, told officials later that he was directed by the terrorist group al-Qaeda. The suspect was already on the government's watch list when he attempted the bombing; his father, a respected Nigerian banker, had told the U.S. government that he was worried about his son's increased extremism.
• 2009 (Dec.): A suicide bomber kills eight Americans civilians, seven of them CIA agents, at a base in Afghanistan. It's the deadliest attack on the agency since 9/11. The attacker is reportedly a double agent from Jordan who was acting on behalf of al-Qaeda.
• 2010 (Oct.): Two packages are found on separate cargo planes. Each package contains a bomb consisting of 300 to 400 grams (11-14 oz) of plastic explosives and a detonating mechanism. The bombs are discovered as a result of intelligence received from Saudi Arabia's security chief. The packages, bound from Yemen to the United States, are discovered at en route stop-overs, one in England and one in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates. A week after the packages are found, al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) takes responsibility for the plot.
• 2011 (Jan.): Two Frenchmen are killed in Niger. France highly suspects the al-Qaeda Organization in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM).
• 2011 (April): Men claiming to be Moroccan members of AQIM appear on the internet and threaten to attack Moroccan interests. The following week a bomb killing 15 people, including 10 foreigners, explodes in Marrakesh, Morocco.

[/TEXTAREA]
He, and his followers, regard YOU, the reader, as a soldier in the army of their enemies. YOU are the enemy whether you know it or not, and whether you want to be or not, YOU are a legitimate target.

The assassination of Bin Laden is no more murder than the killing of Benito Mussolini. If any of the 40+ attempts to assassinate Adolph Hitler that took place between 1938 and 1945 had succeeded, including if any of the scenarios in Operation Foxley, the plan to kill Hitler drawn up by Britain's Special Operations Executive, they would not be murder either.

 

[Black Heart]

They won't just target America, they will target Britain and other areas around the world with high percentage of Western people, last week a place in Morocco was attacked by Al Qaeda.

On the putting his body into the Ocean, people can say oh why did they put the body into the water if they got nothing to hide and should show his dead body. Ive explained it earlier and I still don't think people really understand. If America took his body, then the counter-attack would begin demanding for his body to be released. If they did not kill him and bury him and Al Qaeda recovered the body then there would be a shrine built for him, which is something that would help fuel an attack back. A shrine to mourn him would be one of the worst things that could happen. Also with Islamic laws the body was buried within 24 hours and was respected by the American's. I don't buy the conspiracy theorists saying why did they throw the body into the ocean if they had nothing to hide etc.

This was only observed in part as Islamic law says that a body may only be buried at sea if the person died at sea.

I can just imagine the phone conversation between the Afghan president and the Obama's spokesman:

"He is dead yes?"
"Yes sir he is."
"And you took his body yes?"
"Yes sir we did."
"And you took care of its disposal yes?"
"Yes sir we did."
"And you honoured the laws of Islam in doing so?"
"Yes sir. We took care of it within the 24 hours before he expired."
"And he was wrapped in a white shroud?"
"A-yes sir."
"And he was buried facing east?"

"Buried? Get real! We fed him to the fishes!"

 

[Teh Mite]

The word "murder" is being taken well out of context.

This is "Murder" (an a shocking story currently in the news but mostly overlooked).

This is "Comeuppance".

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

Just to sum up, I don't in any way disagree with with americans celebrating this occurence, but when it comes down to celebrating the death of one man, however twisted, if he is purely the only object of an entire nation's trauma and and anger then we might as well all go home now, because whats the big deal? If we can't appreciate the deep forces that constititute radical islam, far more frightening than the work of one man, and if we are reduced to celebrating the death of a single man, then we reduce ourselves to the sort of barbarity, I think, that bin laden was known for.

Little guy America is socially a complex country in some of the ways king d'arcy referred to, but I was referring to the death penalty, for me one of the greatest failures of modern society, the sort of thing that reduces us to barbarity as I said. There will always be people who disagree but I believe strongly about this.

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

And Smartcooky, i am not saying that Bin laden's death was murder and a horrific act, I don't have a problem with his death, but as his death was part of an ongoing conflict in which many people die every day and many more will die, it seems slightly questionable that there should be celebrations over his death. particularly celebrations which involved the words USA USA, completely doing away with all the real reasons that we went to war, forgetting the losses of other countries, and reducing everything to an american against the world mentality which , as we have seen but an increasingly number of wars, is not good for anyone.

You won't convince me otherwise by enumerating every evil thing bin laden has done, because i never doubted that in the first place; its just a principle about our treatment of death.

 

[gingergenius]

I agree. Those who bleat that the killing of Bin Laden was murder, and unjustified, or claiming that the USA has gone beyond their mandate, might well want to keep the following in mind;

Osama Bin Laden declared war on all "kafir" everywhere. Any way you try to slice it, that is you and me folks, because a "kafir" is an unbeliever; anyone not of the Islamic faith. He was therefore a leader of an organisation that is dedicated to YOUR destruction, with a proven track record of following up on their threats.....

[TEXTAREA]

• 1993 (Feb.): Bombing of World Trade Center (WTC); 6 killed.
• 1993 (Oct.): Killing of U.S. soldiers in Somalia.
• 1996 (June): Truck bombing at Khobar Towers barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killed 19 Americans.
• 1998 (Aug.): Bombing of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania; 224 killed, including 12 Americans.
• 1999 (Dec.): Plot to bomb millennium celebrations in Seattle foiled when customs agents arrest an Algerian smuggling explosives into the U.S.
• 2000 (Oct.): Bombing of the USS Cole in port in Yemen; 17 U.S. sailors killed.
• 2001 (Sept.): Destruction of WTC; attack on Pentagon. Total dead 2,992.
• 2001 (Dec.): Man tried to denote shoe bomb on flight from Paris to Miami.
• 2002 (April): Explosion at historic synagogue in Tunisia left 21 dead, including 11 German tourists.
• 2002 (May): Car exploded outside hotel in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 14, including 11 French citizens.
• 2002 (June): Bomb exploded outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12.
• 2002 (Oct.): Boat crashed into oil tanker off Yemen coast, killing 1.
• 2002 (Oct.): Nightclub bombings in Bali, Indonesia, killed 202, mostly Australian citizens.
• 2002 (Nov.): Suicide attack on a hotel in Mombasa, Kenya, killed 16.
• 2003 (May): Suicide bombers killed 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
• 2003 (May): 4 bombs killed 33 people targeting Jewish, Spanish, and Belgian sites in Casablanca, Morocco.
• 2003 (Aug.): Suicide car-bomb killed 12, injured 150 at Marriott Hotel in Jakarta, Indonesia.
• 2003 (Nov.): Explosions rocked a Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, housing compound, killing 17.
• 2003 (Nov.): Suicide car-bombers simultaneously attacked 2 synagogues in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 25 and injuring hundreds.
• 2003 (Nov.): Truck bombs detonated at London bank and British consulate in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 26.
• 2004 (March): 10 bombs on 4 trains exploded almost simultaneously during the morning rush hour in Madrid, Spain, killing 191 and injuring more than 1,500.
• 2004 (May): Terrorists attacked Saudi oil company offices in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, killing 22.
• 2004 (June): Terrorists kidnapped and executed American Paul Johnson, Jr., in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
• 2004 (Sept.): Car bomb outside the Australian embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia, killed 9.
• 2004 (Dec.): Terrorists entered the U.S. Consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, killing 9 (including 4 attackers).
• 2005 (July): Bombs exploded on 3 trains and a bus in London, England, killing 52.
• 2005 (Oct.): 22 killed by 3 suicide bombs in Bali, Indonesia.
• 2005 (Nov.): 57 killed at 3 American hotels in Amman, Jordan.
• 2006 (Jan.): Two suicide bombers carrying police badges blow themselves up near a celebration at the Police Academy in Baghdad, killing nearly 20 police officers. Al-Qaeda in Iraq takes responsibility.
• 2006 (Aug.): Police arrest 24 British-born Muslims, most of whom have ties to Pakistan, who had allegedly plotted to blow up as many as 10 planes using liquid explosives. Officials say details of the plan were similar to other schemes devised by al-Qaeda.
• 2007 (April): Suicide bombers attack a government building in Algeria's capital, Algiers, killing 35 and wounding hundreds more. Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb claims responsibility.
• 2007 (April): Eight people, including two Iraqi legislators, die when a suicide bomber strikes inside the Parliament building in Baghdad. An organization that includes al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia claims responsibility. In another attack, the Sarafiya Bridge that spans the Tigris River is destroyed.
• 2007 (June): British police find car bombs in two vehicles in London. The attackers reportedly tried to detonate the bombs using cell phones but failed. Government officials say al-Qaeda is linked to the attempted attack. The following day, an SUV carrying bombs bursts into flames after it slams into an entrance to Glasgow Airport. Officials say the attacks are connected.
• 2007 (Dec.): As many as 60 people are killed in two suicide attacks near United Nations offices and government buildings in Algiers, Algeria. The bombings occur within minutes of each other. Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, formerly called the Salafist Group for Preaching, claims responsibility. It's the worst attack in the Algeria in more than 10 years.
• 2007 (Dec.): Benazir Bhutto, former Pakistani prime minister, is assassinated in a suicide attack on Dec. 27, 2007, at a campaign rally in Rawalpindi, Pakistan. President Pervez Musharraf blames al Qaeda for the attack, which kills 23 other people. Baitullah Mehsud, a Taliban leader with close ties to al Qaeda is later cited as the assassin.
• 2008 (Jan.): In the worst attack in Iraq in months, a suicide bomber kills 30 people at a home where mourners were paying their respects to the family of a man killed in a car bomb. The Iraqi military blames the attack on al-Qaeda in Iraq.
• 2008 (Feb.): Nearly 100 people die when two women suicide bombers, who are believed to be mentally impaired, attack crowded pet markets in eastern Baghdad. The U.S. military says al-Qaeda in Iraq has been recruiting female patients at psychiatric hospitals to become suicide bombers.
• 2008 (April): A suicide bomber attacks the funeral for two nephews of a prominent Sunni tribal leader, Sheik Kareem Kamil al-Azawi, killing 30 people in Iraq's Diyala Province.
• 2008 (April): A suicide car bomber kills 40 people in Baquba, the capital of Diyala Province in Iraq.
• 2008 (April): Thirty-five people die and 62 are injured when a woman detonates explosives that she was carrying under her dress in a busy shopping district in Iraq’s Diyala Province.
• 2008 (May): At least 12 worshipers are killed and 44 more injured when a bomb explodes in the Bin Salman mosque near Sana, Yemen.
• 2008 (May): An al-Qaeda suicide bomber detonates explosives in Hit, a city in the Anbar Province of Iraq, killing six policemen and four civilians, and injuring 12 other people.
• 2008 (June): A car bomb explodes outside the Danish Embassy in Pakistan, killing six people and injuring dozens. Al-Qaeda claims responsibility, saying the attack was retaliation for the 2006 publication of political cartoons in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten that depicted the Islamic prophet Muhammad.
• 2008 (June): A female suicide bomber kills 15 and wounds 40 others, including seven Iraqi policemen, near a courthouse in Baquba, Iraq.
• 2008 (June): A suicide bomber kills at least 20 people at a meeting between sheiks and Americans in Karmah, a town west of Baghdad.
• 2008 (Aug.): About two dozens worshippers are killed in three separate attacks as they make their way toward Karbala to celebrate the birthday of 9th-century imam Muhammad al-Mahdi. Iraqi officials blame al-Qaeda in Iraq for the attacks.
• 2008 (Aug.): A bomb left on the street explodes and tears through a bus carrying Lebanese troops, killing 15 people, nine of them soldiers. No one claims responsibility for the attack, but in 2007, the army fought an al-Qaeda linked Islamist group in Tripoli.
• 2008 (Aug.): At least 43 people are killed when a suicide bomber drives an explosives-laden car into a police academy in Issers, a town in northern Algeria.
• 2008 (Aug.): Two car bombs explode at a military command and a hotel in Bouira, killing a dozen people. No group takes responsibility for either attack, Algerian officials said they suspect al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb is behind the bombings.
• 2008 (Sept.): In its first acknowledged ground attack inside Pakistan, U.S. commandos raid a village that is home to al-Qaeda militants in the tribal region near the border with Afghanistan. The number of casualties is unclear.
• 2008 (Sept.): A car bomb and a rocket strike the U.S. embassy in Yemen as staff arrived to work, killing 16 people, including 4 civilians. At least 25 suspected al-Qaeda militants are arrested for the attack.
• 2008 (Nov.): at least 28 people die and over 60 more are injured when three bombs explode minutes apart in Baghdad, Iraq. Officials suspect the explosions are linked to al-Qaeda.
• 2009 (April): on April 6 in Baghdad, a series of six attacks kills 36 people and injure more than 100 in Shiite neighborhoods; April 23: at least 80 people are killed in three separate suicide bombings in Baghdad. This is the largest single-day death toll due to attacks since February 2008. One of the bombings is reportedly set off by a female, who was standing among a group of women and children receiving food aid.
• 2009 (Dec.): A Nigerian man on a flight from Amsterdam to Detroit attempted to ignite an explosive device hidden in his underwear. The explosive device that failed to detonate was a mixture of powder and liquid that did not alert security personnel in the airport. The alleged bomber, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, told officials later that he was directed by the terrorist group al-Qaeda. The suspect was already on the government's watch list when he attempted the bombing; his father, a respected Nigerian banker, had told the U.S. government that he was worried about his son's increased extremism.
• 2009 (Dec.): A suicide bomber kills eight Americans civilians, seven of them CIA agents, at a base in Afghanistan. It's the deadliest attack on the agency since 9/11. The attacker is reportedly a double agent from Jordan who was acting on behalf of al-Qaeda.
• 2010 (Oct.): Two packages are found on separate cargo planes. Each package contains a bomb consisting of 300 to 400 grams (11-14 oz) of plastic explosives and a detonating mechanism. The bombs are discovered as a result of intelligence received from Saudi Arabia's security chief. The packages, bound from Yemen to the United States, are discovered at en route stop-overs, one in England and one in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates. A week after the packages are found, al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) takes responsibility for the plot.
• 2011 (Jan.): Two Frenchmen are killed in Niger. France highly suspects the al-Qaeda Organization in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM).
• 2011 (April): Men claiming to be Moroccan members of AQIM appear on the internet and threaten to attack Moroccan interests. The following week a bomb killing 15 people, including 10 foreigners, explodes in Marrakesh, Morocco.

[/TEXTAREA]
He, and his followers, regard YOU, the reader, as a soldier in the army of their enemies. YOU are the enemy whether you know it or not, and whether you want to be or not, YOU are a legitimate target.

The assassination of Bin Laden is no more murder than the killing of Benito Mussolini. If any of the 40+ attempts to assassinate Adolph Hitler that took place between 1938 and 1945 had succeeded, including if any of the scenarios in Operation Foxley, the plan to kill Hitler drawn up by Britain's Special Operations Executive, they would not be murder either.

I don't care. Retaliation to violence is stooping to that level, pure and simple.

Incidentally, I'm sure there'll be a list somewhere of every incident from the last 20 years that shows numbers of all the civilians who've died as a result of Western military occupations which would be considerably higher than the total of your list. But obviously, as we've seen from news reports and public reactions in the past ten years, a Western life is more valuable than a brown life.

 

[smartcooky]

....it seems slightly questionable that there should be celebrations over his death. particularly celebrations which involved the words USA USA...

When it comes to the wives, husbands, girlfriends, boyfriends, Fathers, Mothers, Sisters & Brothers if those who were senselessly killed in 9/11, I am prepared to cut them some slack. This is likely to bring some measure of closure to many of them. Certainly, if I had lost a loved on in 9/11, I would be celebrating right now.

You won't convince me otherwise by enumerating every evil thing bin laden has done, because i never doubted that in the first place; its just a principle about our treatment of death.

Not an attempt to convince, only an illustration of the magnitude of these terrorists' insanity.

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

When it comes to the wives, husbands, girlfriends, boyfriends, Fathers, Mothers, Sisters & Brothers if those who were senselessly killed in 9/11, I am prepared to cut them some slack. This is likely to bring some measure of closure to many of them. Certainly, if I had lost a loved on in 9/11, I would be celebrating right now.

I think it would be naive to think that every one of the thousands who gathered outside the white house had experienced personal bereavement, and that many of them werent just 'along for the ride' , getting high on the victories of warfare and of death and destruction. My personal feeling is that many who experienced loss at 9/11 would have stayed in and kept their feelings,whether of relief or joy, more of a personal matter. Because experience shows that joyful celebrations of 'revenge' are more the exception than the rule for people who have experienced such losses.

 

[smartcooky]

I think it would be naive to think that every one of the thousands who gathered outside the white house had experienced personal bereavement, and that many of them werent just 'along for the ride' , getting high on the victories of warfare and of death and destruction. My personal feeling is that many who experienced loss at 9/11 would have stayed in and kept their feelings,whether of relief or joy, more of a personal matter. Because experience shows that joyful celebrations of 'revenge' are more the exception than the rule for people who have experienced such losses.

I don't know about that. Sure, there will be bandwagon jumpers, but nearly 3000 died in 9/11. That leaves a LOT of friends and relatives to grieve.

 

[nickdnz]

I don't care. Retaliation to violence is stooping to that level, pure and simple.

Incidentally, I'm sure there'll be a list somewhere of every incident from the last 20 years that shows numbers of all the civilians who've died as a result of Western military occupations which would be considerably higher than the total of your list. But obviously, as we've seen from news reports and public reactions in the past ten years, a Western life is more valuable than a brown life.

Wow. I don't understand this mentality. Retaliation to violence, in these circumstances is the lesser of two evils. Osama Bin Laden believes that western society and beliefs seperate from Islam must be erradicated. What solution would you offer? Would you let countless men, women and children get slaughtered? There is no compromising with extremists, and nor should there be.

"A western life is more valuable than a brown one", don't really see how this is applicable. The lives of thousands of innocents are more valuable than the life of a mass murderer. Obviously western media is going to cover westerners deaths more than injustices else where, that's just reality.

 

[Logorrhea]

Have to say I was delighted to hear he was dead.

Loving the arguements appealing to superior western values. Brilliant stuff.

 

[Charles]

Tell that to the many tens of thousands of relatives and friends of the victims of 9/11, 7/7, Madrid 04 and the Bali Bombings. They won't care about your platitudes.

Bin Laden in custody would be a death sentence for a lot of civilians in the future who would be bound get taken hostage for his release. The world is better off with this man dead.

Sometimes it takes a Star Chamber to mete out REAL justice, and I fully support what the Americans have done here.

I will not "try to tell them", because the two things have no connection whatsoever. I'm talking about justice, not emotions. You think that's platitudes but unfortunately words have meanings. If you call this justice, then it goes both way. Anyone killing an american soldier is gonna call it justice too, and he'll be right.

You can take him down,that was probably the thing to do , but don't call it justice because it is not. Revenge if you want, but not justice. In developped countries, "Justice" is a concept a bit more evolved than Talion law.

 

[smartcooky]

Wow. I don't understand this mentality. Retaliation to violence, in these circumstances is the lesser of two evils. Osama Bin Laden believes that western society and beliefs seperate from Islam must be erradicated. What solution would you offer? Would you let countless men, women and children get slaughtered? There is no compramising with extremists, and nor should there be.

Exactly. In fact, these kind of people COUNT on their enemies compromising and negotiating so that they can take advantage of the delays it causes.

Not only that, but the fact that 19 Arab men were able to get flight training in the USA, during which they exhibited no interest in learning how to take off or land* (they only wanted to learn how to navigate and control an aircraft in flight) shows that they exploited the freedoms of living in a Western democracy; freedoms that would not be granted to infidels living in their homelands

* This alone should have been enough to raise suspicions

 

[Charles]

Exactly. In fact, these kind of people COUNT on their enemies compromising and negotiating so that they can take advantage of the delays it causes.

Not only that, but the fact that 19 Arab men were able to get flight training in the USA, during which they exhibited no interest in learning how to take off or land* (they only wanted to learn how to navigate and control an aircraft in flight) shows that they exploited the freedoms of living in a Western democracy; freedoms that would not be granted to infidels living in their homelands

* This alone should have been enough to raise suspicions

The 12th century called, it wants you back. Have you heard about the Nuremberg process? Do you think the US should just have killed every Nazi they put their hands on? That would surely have been great for Germany...

Do you think denying the people you fight any humanity/justice is a good way to go towards an eventual resolution of the conflict? No matter how hard you try you cannot kill ideas. You have to propose a better alternative to these people, a reason to stop fighting.

And also, nobody has freedom in "their homelands", so that's a moot point.

 

[gingergenius]

Wow. I don't understand this mentality. Retaliation to violence, in these circumstances is the lesser of two evils. Osama Bin Laden believes that western society and beliefs seperate from Islam must be erradicated. What solution would you offer? Would you let countless men, women and children get slaughtered? There is no compromising with extremists, and nor should there be.

"A western life is more valuable than a brown one", don't really see how this is applicable. The lives of thousands of innocents are more valuable than the life of a mass murderer. Obviously western media is going to cover westerners deaths more than injustices else where, that's just reality.

Countless men, women and children have been slaughtered anyway. Here is exactly why I said "a Western life is more valuable than a brown one". When justifying retaliations and aggressions against Islamic extremists, the 'danger' to Western lives has been cited as the prime reason. But with our invasions and our retaliations, thousands of innocents have died anyway... just that they're not Westerners, so they don't count. As far as we're concerned, we're still doing a great job getting revenge on the baddies no matter what the consequences of our actions are.

As a British citizen, let's see how my country is involved:

20th Century - the UK has very little beef with the Islamic world. We've suffered years of Irish terrorism, but that's about it in terms of threats to innocent British citizens.
2001 - Afghanistan. A country that was under a brutal regime - albeit one that had brought relative stability for 5 years since decades of war. The West brings another decade of war along, with the casualties etc. that go with it. Britain gets involved for no apparent reason.
2004 - Iraq. Another bloody war resulting in hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties. Britain again involved for no apparent reason.
2005 - 7/7. The first successful Islamic terrorist attack on UK soil, and this one by British citizens like me. Several others are foiled over the next few years. Why? Because of our involvement in wars in the Middle East that had nothing to do with us.

So you can see. I'm not American, and 9/11 didn't happen to me or anyone I know. Equally, I'm not Iraqi, and no one I know has died there. But the actions of the government that represents me have put my life as a Briton in more danger. And the actions of the American government have put millions of lives in the Middle East in danger.

As Charles said, I don't begrudge the Americans their revenge mission, but it's nothing to do with me, it's not done in my name as a 'Westerner', and it certainly doesn't match my definition of 'justice'.

 

[nickdnz]

Countless men, women and children have been slaughtered anyway. Here is exactly why I said "a Western life is more valuable than a brown one". When justifying retaliations and aggressions against Islamic extremists, the 'danger' to Western lives has been cited as the prime reason. But with our invasions and our retaliations, thousands of innocents have died anyway... just that they're not Westerners, so they don't count. As far as we're concerned, we're still doing a great job getting revenge on the baddies no matter what the consequences of our actions are.

As a British citizen, let's see how my country is involved:

20th Century - the UK has very little beef with the Islamic world. We've suffered years of Irish terrorism, but that's about it in terms of threats to innocent British citizens.
2001 - Afghanistan. A country that was under a brutal regime - albeit one that had brought relative stability for 5 years since decades of war. The West brings another decade of war along, with the casualties etc. that go with it. Britain gets involved for no apparent reason.
2004 - Iraq. Another bloody war resulting in hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties. Britain again involved for no apparent reason.
2005 - 7/7. The first successful Islamic terrorist attack on UK soil, and this one by British citizens like me. Several others are foiled over the next few years. Why? Because of our involvement in wars in the Middle East that had nothing to do with us.

So you can see. I'm not American, and 9/11 didn't happen to me or anyone I know. Equally, I'm not Iraqi, and no one I know has died there. But the actions of the government that represents me have put my life as a Briton in more danger. And the actions of the American government have put millions of lives in the Middle East in danger.

As Charles said, I don't begrudge the Americans their revenge mission, but it's nothing to do with me, it's not done in my name as a 'Westerner', and it certainly doesn't match my definition of 'justice'.

To your first point, what innocent lives have been taken by capturing Osama Bin Laden? The US government was aided by Afghan and Pakistan intellegence, so there was little difference between this and arresting a criminal on home soil. There are many wars that I don't condone, like USA's involvment in Iraq, however this was handled well diplomatically by Pakistan and the US, and Osama was a fugative in both countries. It's no different to when any criminal is killed in a gun fight.

As for your second point, it's just wrong. The bombing in London were not done as a protest to England's involvement in the Middle East, it was done as a part of a general war on Western society, and burying your head in the sand is not an answer. There are multiple targets world wide that had no involvement in the Middle East, but the bombings were an act of terrorism and a decloration of war on western society.

Seeing as blind passisivism seems to be your approach, what would your action be? It's alright getting rightious and saying "I wash my hands of the whole affair", but what would be your plan of attack? Mediation? Bend over and just let this one slide?

 

[Shaggy]

The 12th century called, it wants you back. Have you heard about the Nuremberg process? Do you think the US should just have killed every Nazi they put their hands on? That would surely have been great for Germany...

The Nuremburg process applied to Nazis AFTER the war was over, not DURING it - many Nazis and Non-Nazis (Germans and Allies) died during the war, because they were combatants.

Do you think denying the people you fight any humanity/justice is a good way to go towards an eventual resolution of the conflict? No matter how hard you try you cannot kill ideas. You have to propose a better alternative to these people, a reason to stop fighting.

I'm not Smart Cooky, but I don't think it would make one iota of difference to an Islamic extremist whether he was captured, put on trial at Nuremburg, jailed for life, or sentenced to death, they're going to continue to target westerners regardless - no Westerner is going to change or kill their ideas no matter what the West do, moderate Muslims have to propose the better alternative.

And also, nobody has freedom in "their homelands", so that's a moot point.

I believe he said "freedoms" specifically referring to the 19 who exploited the freedom that they had to learn to fly and navigate in the US, something that they wouldn't get in their homelands, not "freedom" in their homeland, which is experienced to greater or lesser degrees, depending on where you come from ... so the point is hardly moot.

 

[lucky number 7]

The 12th century called, it wants you back. Have you heard about the Nuremberg process? Do you think the US should just have killed every Nazi they put their hands on? That would surely have been great for Germany...

Do you think denying the people you fight any humanity/justice is a good way to go towards an eventual resolution of the conflict? No matter how hard you try you cannot kill ideas. You have to propose a better alternative to these people, a reason to stop fighting.

And also, nobody has freedom in "their homelands", so that's a moot point.

When the people with whom you fight believe that they will have hundreds of virgins waiting for them should they die for their cause there is nothing on this earth that could dissuade them from extreme violence...the mentality of most of the taliban is not rational nor even sane...sadly in my opinion all they understand is the bomb and the gun ...and if thats the case give them hell.

 

[Seaton]

Upon further reflection, I have a few questions regarding the Americans celebrating Osama's death.

1. Is it fair to say that Osama bin Laden represented the fears that americans have about terrorism?
2. Given that, I believe, that most Americans see Bin Laden as the 'kingpin' of terrorism, this means that they would perceive his death as the beginning of the end of terrorism, and hence their fears?
3. If something made you really fearful or scared, like having a serial killer stalking your neighbourhood, would you not be happy that that fear was removed?


Aye, he might have been killed, but beyond the words that have been portrayed in the media, I am starting to believe that the americans are celebrating the removing of a fear, rather than the individual death. Its just much easier to attach a face to a problem than an idea.

Not that I am condoning it, I am just trying to understand the psychology behind it...

I also read earlier today that alledgedly, Osama used his own wife as a human shield. Supposedly a White House aide who was with the group that was watching the 'raid' via a live stream.
Do you think we'll ever know just who pulled the trigger, not until he is dead himself is my guess.

I also can't wait for the enevitable COD mission, in fact they could make an entire game based around the search for him.