Revenge is a dish best served cold Osama!!!

[King_D'Arcy]

I don't really understand how some people aren't even a tad skeptical... The dumping the body in the ocean thing is very odd. This is America we're talking about. It's the most Bureaucratic country in the world. You can't take a **** without filling out a form first. I find it very strange that they manage to kill a man they've been trying to kill for 10 years and then just throw his body into the sea as if it were nothing. I'm not surprised there are people asking questions.

As for retaliation by Al Qaeda... It's likely. But none of us can even comprehend the intelligence the USA have. As far as I can tell they foil most terrorist plots by Al Qaeda before they even get off the ground. They're fairly on top of things since 9/11.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

I'm guessing they dumped him in the sea so his followers can't go anywhere to mourn him or something it's like putting someone in an unmarked grave in the middle of nowhere.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

I don't really understand how some people aren't even a tad skeptical... The dumping the body in the ocean thing is very odd. This is America we're talking about. It's the most Bureaucratic country in the world. You can't take a **** without filling out a form first. I find it very strange that they manage to kill a man they've been trying to kill for 10 years and then just throw his body into the sea as if it were nothing. I'm not surprised there are people asking questions.

As for retaliation by Al Qaeda... It's likely. But none of us can even comprehend the intelligence the USA have. As far as I can tell they foil most terrorist plots by Al Qaeda before they even get off the ground. They're fairly on top of things since 9/11.

They won't just target America, they will target Britain and other areas around the world with high percentage of Western people, last week a place in Morocco was attacked by Al Qaeda.

On the putting his body into the Ocean, people can say oh why did they put the body into the water if they got nothing to hide and should show his dead body. Ive explained it earlier and I still don't think people really understand. If America took his body, then the counter-attack would begin demanding for his body to be released. If they did not kill him and bury him and Al Qaeda recovered the body then there would be a shrine built for him, which is something that would help fuel an attack back. A shrine to mourn him would be one of the worst things that could happen. Also with Islamic laws the body was buried within 24 hours and was respected by the American's. I don't buy the conspiracy theorists saying why did they throw the body into the ocean if they had nothing to hide etc.

 

[King_D'Arcy]

They won't just target America, they will target Britain and other areas around the world with high percentage of Western people, last week a place in Morocco was attacked by Al Qaeda.

Britain are also good at tracking Al Qaeda's plots. If they weren't there'd be faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar more than 1 successful terrorist attack there in the past 10 years.
In reality Al Qaeda are fighting a losing battle. Their greatest weapon is our humanity. Western countries, particularly America, could wipe them out in one foul swoop but we all know that wouldn't be right. There'd be too many dead and the overall social repercussions would be too great. Al Qaeda better be careful with how they conduct themselves though. If we see a repeat of 9/11 from them I think we could see a repeat of Hiroshima from the Americans.

 

[lucky number 7]

I think we could see a repeat of Hiroshima from the Americans.

Yeah? 21 december 2012 anyone ?

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Britain are also good at tracking Al Qaeda's plots. If they weren't there'd be faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar more than 1 successful terrorist attack there in the past 10 years.
In reality Al Qaeda are fighting a losing battle. Their greatest weapon is our humanity. Western countries, particularly America, could wipe them out in one foul swoop but we all know that wouldn't be right. There'd be too many dead and the overall social repercussions would be too great. Al Qaeda better be careful with how they conduct themselves though. If we see a repeat of 9/11 from them I think we could see a repeat of Hiroshima from the Americans.

Then there would be a retaliation ... probably with nuclear weapons, not the smartest ploy.

 

[LittleGuy]

I find some of the comments about Americans being hysterical and insane because they showed up at the White House to support their military and their presidents gutsy decision, to be way out of line and extremely arrogant. It's just another anti-american cheap shot by a few European Leftists. It's not so much about us celebrating the death of one man but of celebrating a victory(however consequential) of a truly hysterical movement radical Islam.

I think it shows a real reflection of your character when your more happy to make a snide little remark about people who have been caught up in the moment of history than to be glad at the death of Islamic terrorism's figurehead.

I wish I could have been there to and show support for my great friends to the south just like my Country did that day when we allowed the planes still in the air to land in Canada, when our jets were scrambled as part of NORAD because no one knew what was going on, when Canadian office bulldings were being evacuated just in case Toronto and Montreal became targets. I applaud Obama's decision to launch the attack, it will truly be the defining moment of his presidency.


Maybe they were thinking of this when they went out to the White House


or this


or perhaps they have friends from the Southern Hemisphere and remembered this


They might even have British friends


Or they love the Iberian peninsula


Maybe they remember the story of the Islamic extremists who strapped bombs to two mentally handicapped women and used them as suicide bombers. That's hysteria thats insanity!!!

And I am so glad these words came true

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I applaud Obama's decision to launch the attack, it will truly be the defining moment of his presidency.

Heard a lot of people say that this is the reason he did it,
He's way down in the opinion polls because he's done nothing since coming to power apart from get himself an undeserved nobel peace prize and go on Oprah/Jay Leno, so needed something to get people to think he's doing a good job*


(*just repeating what I've read, I don't follow American politics so don't know how good/bad Obama is actually doing)

 

[LittleGuy]

Heard a lot of people say that this is the reason he did it,
He's way down in the opinion polls because he's done nothing since coming to power apart from get himself an undeserved nobel peace prize and go on Oprah/Jay Leno, so needed something to get people to think he's doing a good job*


(*just repeating what I've read, I don't follow American politics so don't know how good/bad Obama is actually doing)

I am not a huge Obama guy I thought he was a little bit too much style over substance, that being said I won't allow my partisan leanings or pre-conceptions to take away from what I think was the right call made in this situation. While a boost in the polls might be a side effect the Presidential election isn't until November of 2012 a very long time away especially in American politics.

Strangely enough the Canadian federal election is today, I can say that probably 95% of Canadians are very pleased at what has happened, not sure if this will give a boost to a specific party, the Conservatives have generally been very supportive of the war on terror, while their main opponents the NDP have been very much against our involvement.

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

Little Guy, congratulations on the grand unveiling of your lack of knowledge and for being thoroughly reactionary. Your use of 'european leftists' as a derogative term of proves straight off that you know little about politics. I also notice you completely missed my point about the lockerbie bombing, possibly because you dont know what it was. yet you inevitably wheeled onto stage the examples of 911 and the madrid bombings, ommitting reference to the london and lockerbie bombings. my point showed that the Americans are not the only citizens of the world to have suffered personally. That the world trade centres were destroyed? That itself was not the tradegy, the tragedy was loss of life, a loss of life which happens all over the world every day, without the US batting en eyelid. so Why chant USA in front of the white house? What message is being sent? they seem to think the battle is simply the USA against radical islam, a pure us versus them mentality when really the cause is much wider than that. Americans all too frequently have little awareness of what goes on in the world until it arrives on their doorstep. Incidentally, little guy, you think the death of bin laden is a victory OVER Islam?

I dont want to get into debates over war, but do you really think all wars started by western governments have been for the right principles? why did america not interfere in various other countries experiencing severe human rights crises; uganda, tanzania, even russia and china. There is nothing altruistic about the wars started by the west. they are very often interest based - *oil* . But I notice you felt the need to defend Obamas decision to go to war when noone had really attacked it. I am not against controlled UN involvement, despite being a 'european leftist'. But I want to know that when we fight wars we are there for the right reasons. I think that often people, and not just americans, dont understand the right reasons, they just want to react to personal problems. I am not saying Americans shouldnt celebrate the moment, but that there is something odd about celebrating in such a way. Perhaps sometihng to do with americans adoration for their history, a history they have readily left behidn by their own disregard for human rights.

I honestly cant believe some of the emotive points you are trying to make. by posting a link to a 911 video? I donate money per month to amnesty international, me and my family all work in the charity sector, and I do that with pride because i believe in the importance of basic human rights, such as those that many states all over america have no respect for. Please, do not reel out these tired old arguments for why i shouldnt question such an odd expression of 'joy'.

 

[King_D'Arcy]

Heard a lot of people say that this is the reason he did it,
He's way down in the opinion polls because he's done nothing since coming to power apart from get himself an undeserved nobel peace prize and go on Oprah/Jay Leno, so needed something to get people to think he's doing a good job*


(*just repeating what I've read, I don't follow American politics so don't know how good/bad Obama is actually doing)

He introduced a pretty decent health care bill but it was met with controversy because Americans hate paying taxes. Public health care is actually shocking in America. It's sad to think how many people have little-to-no access to health care because they simply can't afford it. Over 18% of their annual GDP is spent on health care alone (that is a ******* lot!). As a welfare state it is an embarrassment. Unfortunately a level-headed liberal like Obama has very little power in the white house. Any productive action he wants to take will be shot down by the conservatives and he'll be branded a communist (again!)

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Little Guy, congratulations on the grand unveiling of your lack of knowledge and for being thoroughly reactionary. Your use of 'european leftists' as a derogative term of proves straight off that you know little about politics. I also notice you completely missed my point about the lockerbie bombing, possibly because you dont know what it was. yet you inevitably wheeled onto stage the examples of 911 and the madrid bombings, ommitting reference to the london and lockerbie bombings. my point showed that the Americans are not the only citizens of the world to have suffered personally. That the world trade centres were destroyed? That itself was not the tradegy, the tragedy was loss of life, a loss of life which happens all over the world every day, without the US batting en eyelid. so Why chant USA in front of the white house? What message is being sent? they seem to think the battle is simply the USA against radical islam, a pure us versus them mentality when really the cause is much wider than that. Americans all too frequently have little awareness of what goes on in the world until it arrives on their doorstep. Incidentally, little guy, you think the death of bin laden is a victory OVER Islam?

I dont want to get into debates over war, but do you really think all wars started by western governments have been for the right principles? why did america not interfere in various other countries experiencing severe human rights crises; uganda, tanzania, even russia and china. There is nothing altruistic about the wars started by the west. they are very often interest based - *oil* . But I notice you felt the need to defend Obamas decision to go to war when noone had really attacked it. I am not against controlled UN involvement, despite being a 'european leftist'. But I want to know that when we fight wars we are there for the right reasons. I think that often people, and not just americans, dont understand the right reasons, they just want to react to personal problems. I am not saying Americans shouldnt celebrate the moment, but that there is something odd about celebrating in such a way. Perhaps sometihng to do with americans adoration for their history, a history they have readily left behidn by their own disregard for human rights.

I honestly cant believe some of the emotive points you are trying to make. by posting a link to a 911 video? I donate money per month to amnesty international, me and my family all work in the charity sector, and I do that with pride because i believe in the importance of basic human rights, such as those that many states all over america have no respect for. Please, do not reel out these tired old arguments for why i shouldnt question such an odd expression of 'joy'.

Can I cut in and say that he has posted a video on the London Bombing ...

 

[LittleGuy]

Little Guy, congratulations on the grand unveiling of your lack of knowledge and for being thoroughly reactionary. Your use of 'european leftists' as a derogative term of proves straight off that you know little about politics. I also notice you completely missed my point about the lockerbie bombing, possibly because you dont know what it was. yet you inevitably wheeled onto stage the examples of 911 and the madrid bombings, ommitting reference to the london and lockerbie bombings. my point showed that the Americans are not the only citizens of the world to have suffered personally. That the world trade centres were destroyed? That itself was not the tradegy, the tragedy was loss of life, a loss of life which happens all over the world every day, without the US batting en eyelid. so Why chant USA in front of the white house? What message is being sent? they seem to think the battle is simply the USA against radical islam, a pure us versus them mentality when really the cause is much wider than that. Americans all too frequently have little awareness of what goes on in the world until it arrives on their doorstep. Incidentally, little guy, you think the death of bin laden is a victory OVER Islam?

I dont want to get into debates over war, but do you really think all wars started by western governments have been for the right principles? why did america not interfere in various other countries experiencing severe human rights crises; uganda, tanzania, even russia and china. There is nothing altruistic about the wars started by the west. they are very often interest based - *oil* . But I notice you felt the need to defend Obamas decision to go to war when noone had really attacked it. I am not against controlled UN involvement, despite being a 'european leftist'. But I want to know that when we fight wars we are there for the right reasons. I think that often people, and not just americans, dont understand the right reasons, they just want to react to personal problems. I am not saying Americans shouldnt celebrate the moment, but that there is something odd about celebrating in such a way. Perhaps sometihng to do with americans adoration for their history, a history they have readily left behidn by their own disregard for human rights.

I honestly cant believe some of the emotive points you are trying to make. by posting a link to a 911 video? I donate money per month to amnesty international, me and my family all work in the charity sector, and I do that with pride because i believe in the importance of basic human rights, such as those that many states all over america have no respect for. Please, do not reel out these tired old arguments for why i shouldnt question such an odd expression of 'joy'.

I think I let my temper take hold with the European leftists comment although I sincerely believe many of them hate the United States so much they can't think straight, but lack of knowledge I think not. Your not the only one to criticize the gatherings in the United States here on TRF and I think it was outrageous to call an entire country insane because of their emotional reponses, my point with the videos was to show you the impact it has on many Americans these moments aren't easily forgotten and this is why these gatherings occured. It also wasn't just the United States, here in Canada there was an outpouring of excitement.

I did specify a victory over "radical islam" in my post and I also displayed a video on the London bombings perhaps I should post one on every single terrorist act carried out under the orders of Bin Laden or inspired by his brand of extremism. I'm also not surprised that U.S.A. was chanted, it was American forces that pulled off this operation, what else should they chant? I can guarantee if the SAS had of pulled the trigger Americans would have lined up in droves at British embassies to show their appreciation same goes for any other ally.

Americans are not all the mindless ignoramuses that you portray them as, much of the world's innovation come from the United States, and speaking of charities Americans are one of the worlds most charitable countries. I don't agree with every single thing that happens in the US. I think there are too many people in jail and I would like to see tighter gun laws etc. I would like to hear your opinions on the specific issues on the United States lack of respect for human rights I do think there are problems and so do many americans, that being said I could argue that many countries don't respect freedom of expression nearly as well for example. I think what is different than in much of Europe is that in the US the rights of the individual generally trump the rights of the group as a whole.

I do know what the Lockerbie bombing was and that release was an absolutely outrageous act by the way and was utterly contemptous of the victims of Lockerbie many of whom were not British citizens. There is also the lingering presence of sordid rumours of "oil deals" involved in that(although none were proven).

 

[King_D'Arcy]

Americans are not all the mindless ignoramuses that you portray them as, much of the world's innovation come from the United States, and speaking of charities Americans are one of the worlds most charitable countries. I don't agree with every single thing that happens in the US. I think there are too many people in jail and I would like to see tighter gun laws etc. I would like to hear specifics on what human rights the United States dosen't respect, I could argue that many countries don't respect freedom of expression nearly as well.

A lot of what you say is true, but I can't stand for this. There's a difference between America saying they are fighting for civil rights and it actually being true. Millions of people in America are denied civil rights everyday. American policy shows no respect for the impoverished, the permanently disabled, the elderly or the homeless. There seems to be this attitude with this country that everyone should fend for themselves regardless of circumstance. If you want to see some interesting statistics go onto the OECD website and compare America's social welfare to every other OECD country's. I don't buy into this whole American spirit bullshit. It is a country segregated by greed.

 

[LittleGuy]

A lot of what you say is true, but I can't stand for this. There's a difference between America saying they are fighting for civil rights and it actually being true. Millions of people in America are denied civil rights everyday. American policy shows no respect for the impoverished, the permanently disabled, the elderly or the homeless. There seems to be this attitude with this country that everyone should fend for themselves regardless of circumstance. If you want to see some interesting statistics go onto the OECD website and compare America's social welfare to every other OECD country's. I don't buy into this whole American spirit bullshit. It is a country segregated by greed.

I should rephrase that I meant to hear the ones Henry has the most issue with. I apologize for my grammar.

I do agree that the United States social support system is rather lacking but there are areas where their constitution which really protects their citizens. There are things which even here in Canada you would be arrested for saying that in the United States are protected.

I do disagree about your comments on the elderly though the United States actually spends too much money on its elderly, a fact that Fareed Zakaria even pointed out in his special on what America can do to reclaim its place in the world. The US spends much more than many other countries on the elderly while ignoring education and youth based commitments that would actually raise their standard of living.

I think it is hard for many in the rest of the world to relate to North America and more specifically the United States, there is still very much "a go it on your own" mentality, which has existed here since the earliest days of colonial settlement. Rightly or wrongly that can be taken to extremes.

I also don't want to look like a Universal defender of every single policy of America, but I think on the balance the United States has been, is and will be a force for good in the World. I also admit to coming on the thread guns blazing, I think I allowed myself to take too personally many of the opinions voiced here. I am not an insane or hysterical person for taking some joy in seeing the demise of Osama Bin Laden.

 

[Shaggy]

Little Guy, congratulations on the grand unveiling of your lack of knowledge and for being thoroughly reactionary. Your use of 'european leftists' as a derogative term of proves straight off that you know little about politics. I also notice you completely missed my point about the lockerbie bombing, possibly because you dont know what it was. yet you inevitably wheeled onto stage the examples of 911 and the madrid bombings, ommitting reference to the london and lockerbie bombings. my point showed that the Americans are not the only citizens of the world to have suffered personally. That the world trade centres were destroyed? That itself was not the tradegy, the tragedy was loss of life, a loss of life which happens all over the world every day, without the US batting en eyelid. so Why chant USA in front of the white house? What message is being sent? they seem to think the battle is simply the USA against radical islam, a pure us versus them mentality when really the cause is much wider than that. Americans all too frequently have little awareness of what goes on in the world until it arrives on their doorstep. Incidentally, little guy, you think the death of bin laden is a victory OVER Islam?

I dont want to get into debates over war, but do you really think all wars started by western governments have been for the right principles? why did america not interfere in various other countries experiencing severe human rights crises; uganda, tanzania, even russia and china. There is nothing altruistic about the wars started by the west. they are very often interest based - *oil* . But I notice you felt the need to defend Obamas decision to go to war when noone had really attacked it. I am not against controlled UN involvement, despite being a 'european leftist'. But I want to know that when we fight wars we are there for the right reasons. I think that often people, and not just americans, dont understand the right reasons, they just want to react to personal problems. I am not saying Americans shouldnt celebrate the moment, but that there is something odd about celebrating in such a way. Perhaps sometihng to do with americans adoration for their history, a history they have readily left behidn by their own disregard for human rights.

I honestly cant believe some of the emotive points you are trying to make. by posting a link to a 911 video? I donate money per month to amnesty international, me and my family all work in the charity sector, and I do that with pride because i believe in the importance of basic human rights, such as those that many states all over america have no respect for. Please, do not reel out these tired old arguments for why i shouldnt question such an odd expression of 'joy'.

While I am a little skeptical about the coincidence of the number of wars that occur in countries that have oil as a natural resource to those that don't, if Obama had been hiding out in North Korea, the US would still have pursued him for the 9 11 attacks. It was attack on the US (an act of war), bin Laden in his own words declared war on Westerners, and he is a casualty of that war, pure and simple, so, while i'm not dancing a jig on the White House lawn, i'm sure not shedding any tears for him either.

The US celebrating a victory of sorts is hardly something unique to them either - there's plenty of footage of people celebrating bombings too.

As for retribution for bin Laden's death, aren't they constantly planning terrorist attacks as part of their war anyway?

Right or wrong, it's natural to want to see perpetrators suffer consequences for their actions, whether it be trials at the Hague, Imprisonment, or as Casualties.

I'm not anti-Islam or anti-American, nor pro either of them either, but as the old saying goes, "those who live by the sword, die by the sword"

 

[smartcooky]

Killing someone and dumping his body in the sea without a trial, a deposition, anything, is not justice, it's murder.

Tell that to the many tens of thousands of relatives and friends of the victims of 9/11, 7/7, Madrid 04 and the Bali Bombings. They won't care about your platitudes.

Bin Laden in custody would be a death sentence for a lot of civilians in the future who would be bound get taken hostage for his release. The world is better off with this man dead.

Sometimes it takes a Star Chamber to mete out REAL justice, and I fully support what the Americans have done here.

 

[nickdnz]

Took the words straight out of my mouth.

Must add to what another poster said, the Empire continued until at least the New Jedi Order set of books, at least 40 years after his death

Good riddance, the US doesn't need to prove Bin Ladens death in the same way that the Coca Cola Company doesnkt need to prove that coke doesn't contain chopped liver in its formulae.

I wonder what George Bush is doing right now...

Secretly I am actually a big Star Wars nerd, I knew that, just thought it would be apt. It is also going on with the whole Darth Krayt thingy like over 100 years after the death of Palpatine...but my rep is already getting killed.

I think I let my temper take hold with the European leftists comment although I sincerely believe many of them hate the United States so much they can't think straight, but lack of knowledge I think not. Your not the only one to criticize the gatherings in the United States here on TRF and I think it was outrageous to call an entire country insane because of their emotional reponses, my point with the videos was to show you the impact it has on many Americans these moments aren't easily forgotten and this is why these gatherings occured. It also wasn't just the United States, here in Canada there was an outpouring of excitement.

I find some of the comments about Americans being hysterical and insane because they showed up at the White House to support their military and their presidents gutsy decision, to be way out of line and extremely arrogant. It's just another anti-american cheap shot by a few European Leftists. It's not so much about us celebrating the death of one man but of celebrating a victory(however consequential) of a truly hysterical movement radical Islam.

I can understand an emotional reaction, and I have pointed out that I support the USA's decision to capture or kill Osama Bin Laden, but the emotional responce seemed very radical. Nearly ten years after the death of nearly three thousand people in the United States, the man who is an icon of the attack is killed by USA troups, and the immediate responce is chanting "USA" in the streets. A very bad person died, but the reaction was similar to my reaction when we win a Hurricanes game, as in my team beat your team. It kind of reminds me of the Oscar Wilde quote "Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious", as what should have been a dignified feelling of justice and arguably a time to contemplate those who were killed, is responded to by chanting how great their country.

I'm not all that liberal, or European, and I'm certainly not anti-USA, but it's the one thing I take issue with. Any time anyone is killed, it is a defeat of humanity, and while I believe it was an appropreate action, I don't feel it was handled the way it should have been. You wouldn't see a party outside a gas chamber in the United States, but the fact that it was a forign threat, seems to erradacate the same level of dignity.

 

[Shaggy]

Tell that to the many tens of thousands of relatives and friends of the victims of 9/11, 7/7, Madrid 04 and the Bali Bombings. They won't care about your platitudes.

Bin Laden in custody would be a death sentence for a lot of civilians in the future who would be bound get taken hostage for his release. The world is better off with this man dead.

Sometimes it takes a Star Chamber to mete out REAL justice, and I fully support what the Americans have done here.

Exactly - to try to take the emotion out of it, he was a combatant in a war in which he died in, he wasn't an innocent civilian, so it's not murder.

Secretly I am actually a big Star Wars nerd, I knew that, just thought it would be apt. It is also going on with the whole Darth Krayt thingy like over 100 years after the death of Palpatine...but my rep is already getting killed.






I can understand an emotional reaction, and I have pointed out that I support the USA's decision to capture or kill Osama Bin Laden, but the emotional responce seemed very radical. Nearly ten years after the death of nearly three thousand people in the United States, the man who is an icon of the attack is killed by USA troups, and the immediate responce is chanting "USA" in the streets. A very bad person died, but the reaction was similar to my reaction when we win a Hurricanes game, as in my team beat your team. It kind of reminds me of the Oscar Wilde quote "Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious", as what should have been a dignified feelling of justice and arguably a time to contemplate those who were killed, is responded to by chanting how great their country.

I'm not all that liberal, or European, and I'm certainly not anti-USA, but it's the one thing I take issue with. Any time anyone is killed, it is a defeat of humanity, and while I believe it was an appropreate action, I don't feel it was handled the way it should have been. You wouldn't see a party outside a gas chamber in the United States, but the fact that it was a forign threat, seems to erradacate the same level of dignity.

Exactly, it's an emotional issue, and people are going to react emotionally.

 

[TNT88]

Is everything on youtube wrong?

No, but youtube videos have no obligation to be true, therefore every single "fact" raised in each video must be checked back to it's source. Something many people forget.

Some things are correct and its up to people to ue their brains if they have any to decide. Do you think I always believed 9/11 was an inside job?

So you came to the conclusion that 9/11 was an inside job from watching youtube videos and letting your brain decide what was fact and not fact? That isn't critical thinking, it is far from it.

No I went along with what the media were saying. I heard people claiming otherwise and didn't believe them but instead of calling them names I researched it.

How much real research did you do? NOTE: Watching youtube doesn't count.

Theres 1000's of videos on youtube that have evidence some of which comes from leading architects and demolition experts who also don't go along with the official story.

Yea, and real research would require you finding any papers or articles published by those leading demolition experts backing up their claims. Not taking their word for it on youtube, there are many leading experts who think a 747 can easily take down a building, but you didn't take their word for it. Why?

I suppose you believe the USA went into Libya because they were concerned about the people too?

They went into Libya signing the UN's solution, and carrying it out. So, mainly yes. Just like France, the UK, Belgium, Spain, Italy...ect... Basically, if everyone else is going in, why would the US stay out when military is their specialty?

Nothing to do with the black gold under the soil there.

Hardly, unless you can provide EVIDENCE that you didn't get off some nutters youtube channel. If anything maybe they are worried one of their oil suppliers would go feet-up.

Humanitarian me arse! Theres dictators all over Africa who are far worse than Gadaffi but who cares, theres no oil in those countries.

That is such a bad summary of events, the US have been in Libya for weeks carrying out the UN's solution. How many oil reserves have been taken over by the US? Oh thats right, conspiracy theorists don't require actual evidence, blind assertions are enough.