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Ulster Rugby today welcomed the Environment Minister, Alex Attwood's decision to grant planning permission for redevelopment work at the Ravenhill Grounds...

Opened in 1923 and owned by the Irish Rugby Football Union, the Ravenhill Grounds had seen little change until 2009 when a new stand was built and the terrace upgraded on the Mount Merrion side.

Drawings to upgrade and redevelop the remaining three sides of the Ravenhill Grounds were initially submitted to the planning authorities in August 2010, and in March 2011 it was announced that Ulster Rugby would be granted up to £14.7 million in funding from the Northern Ireland Executive through Sport Northern Ireland to complete the project.

Today's announcement from Minister Attwood means that Ulster Rugby can now proceed with the project, allowing the organisation to move towards its vision of becoming a major force in European rugby with first class facilities at Ravenhill. "A modern, fit-for-purpose and spectator-friendly stadium will enhance Ulster Rugby's standing and will assist the development of the sport from the grassroots through to international levels" said Ulster Rugby Chief Executive, Shane Logan

"On behalf of Ulster Rugby, I would like to express our thanks to Minister Attwood and his officials at the Planning Service. I would also like to reiterate our thanks to the Department of Culture Arts and Leisure and Sport Northern Ireland for their assistance with the project to date.

The development at Ravenhill will not only benefit our sport but will have wider benefits for health, tourism and the Northern Ireland economy and we are privileged to be part of a legacy that will remain in Northern Ireland for years to come."


The construction work at Ravenhill will take a phased approach and the ground will continue to host matches, albeit it with a slightly reduced capacity, throughout the build. The stands at the Memorial and Aquinas Ends of the ground will be built in the first two phases.

In the plans, the Memorial End Stand will provide covered seating for approx 2500 people with terracing for a further 1350 spectators and will house a ticket office, shop, educational centre as well as match day bar/catering facilities.

The Aquinas End stand will be family-orientated and is planned to provide covered seating for approx 3200 people. It will also accommodate team changing facilities, medical and treatment rooms, an indoor training surface and match day media facilities.

Once the stands at the Memorial and Aquinas Ends of the Ravenhill Grounds are completed, work will begin on the demolition of the existing stand and construction of a replacement grandstand planned to accommodate approximately 3200 spectators. This stand will also house bar and restaurant facilities. The existing promenade will also be upgraded.

The work will see a planned increase in the capacity of Ravenhill to 18,200 making it capable of hosting a PRO12 final or Heineken Cup quarter-final match.

"Over the coming months we will be working closely with our Project Board, consisting of representatives from Sport Northern Ireland and the Ulster Branch which will oversee the project. We will be appointing an Independent Consulting Team who will prepare the detailed design and the pre-construction process with an aim to start building towards the end of 2012." said Logan
 
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Sounds good. Ravenhill, while being a fortress for Ulster at the moment, is a bit of a tip. To two things may well be related come to think of it.

In any case, Ulster are crying out for a new stadium. 18,000 sounds just about right imo. They'll fill it for all their HC games and should be able to easily pull in 10,000+ for league games at the moment. It also puts the IRFU in a very nice position, with the potential to host some of the smaller internationals in either Limerick or Belfast.
 
Hmmm.... I would like the planners to make sure the old stand (which will be rebuilt) would be capable of a relatively straightforward enlargement if 18K proved to be too small.

Currently the capacity is 12something thousand - I'd reckon for the bigger Pro12 and HEC games, there would be a potential demand for more than 18K spectators.
 
bout bleedin time

ravenhill has been in dire need to of a revamp!

to be fair all northern irish stadia are
 
Hmmm.... I would like the planners to make sure the old stand (which will be rebuilt) would be capable of a relatively straightforward enlargement if 18K proved to be too small.

Currently the capacity is 12something thousand - I'd reckon for the bigger Pro12 and HEC games, there would be a potential demand for more than 18K spectators.

I wouldn't overstretch if I were the Ulster branch. I couldn't see Ulster getting more than 18,000 more than 5 times per season tops, so you probably wouldn't see a huge financial reward for it. Add that to the fact that for the rest of the games you'd then be looking at Ravenhill being half empty and it starts to look like a bad idea imo.
 
I'd say there's a load of room at the Memorial End if Ulster ever wish to expand further. As far as I recall, there's a pretty big car park there at the moment.
 
It is over due. Even though it may be nice to pat the players on the back on the way to the field it is also unprofessional in a way, like watching old ECW.

Even though it has lots of character it does need a little more than a lick of paint! Especially if we want to keep peace with out provincial rivals and European standards.

From what I understand from some plans I found on the Internet the new Ravenhill will have two new screens, a museum and lots of drinking dens. One example below.

http://epicdocs.planningni.gov.uk/ViewDocument.aspx?uri=116764&ext=PDF
 
I wouldn't overstretch if I were the Ulster branch. I couldn't see Ulster getting more than 18,000 more than 5 times per season tops, so you probably wouldn't see a huge financial reward for it. Add that to the fact that for the rest of the games you'd then be looking at Ravenhill being half empty and it starts to look like a bad idea imo.

You're right there, hopefully the success and demand will grow, but one step at a time.

Top news. Even if I will miss the ramshackle charm of Ravenhill as it is.
 
I wouldn't overstretch if I were the Ulster branch. I couldn't see Ulster getting more than 18,000 more than 5 times per season tops

Yep - for the minute 18K is about right.


But I'd hate to have the stand designed such that if you did want to expand further, you basically have to rip down and start again. I guess that is the engineer in me that absolutely hates architects designing things for needless (and often tasteless) 'style' instead of useful functionality and flexibility for the future. Case in point = Queens PEC.


For instance, I'd make sure the foundations back wall and interior architecture of the new stand could support a 2nd tier which could be added at a later date. OK, it'll add some to the cost now, but it would save you a small fortune if you ever did go to upgrade later.
 
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For instance, I'd make sure the foundations back wall and interior architecture of the new stand could support a 2nd tier which could be added at a later date. OK, it'll add some to the cost now, but it would save you a small fortune if you ever did go to upgrade later.

That would be a wise thing to do. If, say 10 years down the line, there was demand consistantly for more than 18,000 tickets then expanding the stadium will have to be looked at. But at the moment 18,000 is about right. You don't want too many empty seats either.
 
That would be a wise thing to do. If, say 10 years down the line, there was demand consistantly for more than 18,000 tickets then expanding the stadium will have to be looked at. But at the moment 18,000 is about right. You don't want too many empty seats either.

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For instance, I'd make sure the foundations back wall and interior architecture of the new stand could support a 2nd tier which could be added at a later date. OK, it'll add some to the cost now, but it would save you a small fortune if you ever did go to upgrade later.
I don't think that would ever get planning permission unless the IRFU / UR could buy 4 or 5 very expensive houses next door and knock them down. There is also the problem of access and vehicle parking in what is after all a very residential suburb.
 
Great news. I very much dislike seeing Ireland use Dublin, Dublin and Dublin for its internationals. Limerick was overlooked in favor of the RDS in 2010. Hopefully Ireland can utilize both Thomond Park and Ravenhill for internationals every year. Ireland vs Samoa at Limerick and Ireland vs Georgia at Ravenhill being good examples.

Incidently the stadium plan looks like a smaller version of France´s St. Etienne

Ravenhill_Plans.jpg
 
Well Dublin is such a cashcow. Good news for Ulster though.

Without question.

So is Paris, Auckland, Johannesburg and Buenos Aires.

Thankfully the unions of these countries are distributing matches. Cardiff, London and Edinburgh are outstanding venues. True national stadiums but matches are never played elsewhere. France uses Marseilles, Lyon, Montpellier, Bordeaux, Nantes and elsewhere. New Zealand uses Dunedin, Wellington, Hamilton and elsewhere. South Africa uses Durban, Pretoria, Cape Town, Bleomfontein and elsewhere. Argentina uses Rosario, Mendoza, Córdoba, Salta and elsewhere.

If Ireland gets a shot at hosting a World Cup it will need to have a track record of utilizing venues outside of Dublin. This is what England is realizing only now. The RFU messed up so bad in never going beyond Twickenham that the fan bases are not what they should be and they now somehow need to be made in time for 2015.

The cashcow of the big stadiums is short term thinking. Ireland vs Fiji at Limerick would be the way forward. Scotland vs Tonga and Aberdeen or Perth. Wales vs Canada at Swansea.

I cannot recall a single international match at Swansea since Liberty Stadium opened. I only recall Junior matches. I´ve heard the arguement over and over that its so close to Cardiff. Sure, question there. Bigger is not always better.

I went to Nelson to watch USA vs Italy at the World Cup. It´s stadium is a similar size to Llanelli´s . If I were wanting
 
Unfortunately Ireland could never host a world cup. Lansdowne Road is by far our biggest rugby stadium Croke Park is of course our biggest stadium but not entirely sure if G.A.A. would allow it's use Thomond park's capacity is significantly smaller; presuming without Croker we'd have only about 4 stadiums of an ok standard with only one of a standard for a big match pretty much for Ireland to be a sole host.
 
Having just wiki'ed it, I never realised how many big stadiums the GAA has. If the GAA agreed to the idea, you could host a great World Cup in Ireland.

I get the impression that there's not a chance of them agreeing to it though.
 
Unfortunately Ireland could never host a world cup. Lansdowne Road is by far our biggest rugby stadium Croke Park is of course our biggest stadium but not entirely sure if G.A.A. would allow it's use Thomond park's capacity is significantly smaller; presuming without Croker we'd have only about 4 stadiums of an ok standard with only one of a standard for a big match pretty much for Ireland to be a sole host.

Well, if the GAA let them use their stadiums I don't see any reason why Ireland couldn't host a World Cup. Check out the possible Irish World Cup stadiums compared to the RWC 2011 grounds:

New Zealand
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[TD="width: 180, bgcolor: transparent"]Eden Park
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl24, width: 180, bgcolor: transparent"]60,000
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Westpac Stadium
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl24, bgcolor: transparent"]40,000
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Rototua International Stadium
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl24, bgcolor: transparent"]34,000
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Otago Stadium
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl24, bgcolor: transparent"]30,000
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]North Harbour Stadium
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl24, bgcolor: transparent"]30,000
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Waikato Stadium
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl24, bgcolor: transparent"]30,000
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Stadium Taranki
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl24, bgcolor: transparent"]26,000
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]McLean Park
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl24, bgcolor: transparent"]22,000
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Trafalgar Park
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl24, bgcolor: transparent"]18,000
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Northland Events Centre
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl24, bgcolor: transparent"]18,000
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Rugby Park Stadium
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl24, bgcolor: transparent"]17,000
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Arena Manawatu
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl24, bgcolor: transparent"]15,000
[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]


Ireland
[TABLE="width: 270"]
<tbody>[TR]
[TD="width: 180, bgcolor: transparent"]Croke Park
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl24, width: 180, bgcolor: transparent"]82,300
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Semple Stadium
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl24, bgcolor: transparent"]55,000
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Aviva Stadium
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl24, bgcolor: transparent"]51,700
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Gaelic Grounds
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl24, bgcolor: transparent"]50,000
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Páirc Uí Chaoimh
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl24, bgcolor: transparent"]43,500
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Fitzgerald Stadium
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl24, bgcolor: transparent"]43,000
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Thomond Park
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl24, bgcolor: transparent"]26,500
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Páirc Tailteann
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl24, bgcolor: transparent"]25,000
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Athletic Grounds (Armagh)
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl24, bgcolor: transparent"]19,500
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Ravenhill
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl24, bgcolor: transparent"]18,200
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]RDS
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl24, bgcolor: transparent"]18,500
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Páirc Uí Rinn
[/TD]
[TD="class: xl24, bgcolor: transparent"]18,000
[/TD]
[/TR]
</tbody>[/TABLE]

The GAA would have to really buy into it and would probably ask for a large chunk of the money made from the tournament but it's not impossible.
 
Without question.

So is Paris, Auckland, Johannesburg and Buenos Aires.

Thankfully the unions of these countries are distributing matches. Cardiff, London and Edinburgh are outstanding venues. True national stadiums but matches are never played elsewhere. France uses Marseilles, Lyon, Montpellier, Bordeaux, Nantes and elsewhere. New Zealand uses Dunedin, Wellington, Hamilton and elsewhere. South Africa uses Durban, Pretoria, Cape Town, Bleomfontein and elsewhere. Argentina uses Rosario, Mendoza, Córdoba, Salta and elsewhere.

If Ireland gets a shot at hosting a World Cup it will need to have a track record of utilizing venues outside of Dublin. This is what England is realizing only now. The RFU messed up so bad in never going beyond Twickenham that the fan bases are not what they should be and they now somehow need to be made in time for 2015.

The cashcow of the big stadiums is short term thinking. Ireland vs Fiji at Limerick would be the way forward. Scotland vs Tonga and Aberdeen or Perth. Wales vs Canada at Swansea.

I cannot recall a single international match at Swansea since Liberty Stadium opened. I only recall Junior matches. I´ve heard the arguement over and over that its so close to Cardiff. Sure, question there. Bigger is not always better.

I went to Nelson to watch USA vs Italy at the World Cup. It´s stadium is a similar size to Llanelli´s . If I were wanting

Not sure if this has been posted before but with regards to England. This was in the press last year I am not sure what's the plan at the moment.

The Rugby Football Union is considering a plan to switch one of England's 2013 Six Nations fixtures to a venue in the north of the country – possibly Old Trafford or St James' Park – as part of a radical bid to regenerate the sport .


 
I'm guessing you haven't been to many of those stadiums then? Aside from Croke Park and the one in Galway I'd be reluctant to use any of them. Quite simply GAA stadiums aren't up to international sporting standards. Too many terraces, not enough access, poor facilities surrounding the grounds in many cases. I know a lot have modernised recently, but it seems to me that the GAA has gone for capacity rather than quality. For example, Limerick has a 50,000 seater stadium which is an absolute tip. A modern 25,000 seater would do the job just as well. Oh, GAA stadiums are crap to watch rugby in too.

The only way Ireland would ever get to host the WC would be in conjunction with Scotland. With that in mind, we'd probably only need 4 or 5 venues. Ravenhill, Thomond, the Aviva and the probably one or two country stadiums (I'd opt for Pearse Park in Galway, proven international ground.) Cork would want to get itself a decent stadium too.

Anyway, it's all hypothetical. With England getting 2015 we shouldn't get a look in till at least 2027
 
Why would Wales play international matches at the Liberty Stadium are you serious?
We are a small country and we can justify only playing international matches at the Millenium Stadium thank you very much.
 
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