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PRL & FNR: "Bugger off celts"

Well if ty leave, then you would have a European cup with Welsh, Irish, Scottish and Italian sides. That would be something new!
 
Mark McCafferty does make some good points to be fair. Much as I love the Heineken Cup, it does seem a little ridiculous that the newly formed Zebre go straight into the top competition, while teams such as London Irish and Stade Francais miss out having battled for a place over the course of a whole season.

However, 2 years is a long time in sport - I can see a resolution being reached in that time.
 
What he says makes sense. Wouldn't like to see the HEC disbanded though.
 
It's a lot of posturing much like how South Africa threaten to quit the Tri Nations/Rugby Championship/Super Rugby every year. A compromise will be reached.
 
How about we implement a system where your HEC players have to have played X amount of club games to qualify.
Can wave bye bye to the majority of the Leinster XV ;)
 
An English team would want to cop on and win the thing soon, otherwise it just sounds like mouthing. The system is essentially the same one that was in operation when Saints, Tigers and Wasps were winning ***les and yet we heard none of this moaning back then. If I remember correctly in fact it was said that the competitive nature of the Premiership gave English sides an advantage as they were more battle hardened than the CL teams.

The real problem is that Leinster, and Munster before them, have produced outstanding sides that have dominated Europe in a way that has left the French and English sides looking for any reason to say they have an unfair advantage. The truth of the matter is though, that neither the Top 14 nor the Premiership are producing sides of the quality they did 8 years ago. Back then both leagues produced 4 serious ***le challengers ever season. These days France produces 2 and England might have 1 in a good year.

Now don't get me wrong, I do think the qualification system is in need of reform. It isn't fair that the Celtic League sides have essentially automatic qualification spots and can rest players in the league. So yes, there should be a position based qualification system. But would it make a difference to the destination of the Heineken Cup? Probably not. The fact is that our second tier would still certainly be good enough to get us in the top 6 of the CL, regardless of what sides other teams were putting out (and I'm not being arrogant here, it's the truth.)

So in summation, yes, there should be a change to the qualifying procedure, but if French and English sides, the latter in particular, want to be competing regularly for European success then they must get their own houses in order first.
 
If they're getting their panties in a bunch over this, imagine what will happen when countries like Georgia, Portugal, Russia, and Germany (there are two German pro clubs) start wanting a piece of the pie as well. There might come a point when not all the teams in the Top 14 and the AP will have a European tournament.
 
Don't be naïve guys. This is not about the sporting glory, it's simply about the money.
 
Don't be naïve guys. This is not about the sporting glory, it's simply about the money.
This.

The French and English clubs will "compromise" by getting a bigger slice of the pie or a say in negotiating the contracts. The Pro 12 teams will "compromise" by guaranteeing just one team from each country qualify automatically with the rest decided by league placing. There'll be 24 teams. The Amlin Cup will die.
 
This.

The French and English clubs will "compromise" by getting a bigger slice of the pie or a say in negotiating the contracts. The Pro 12 teams will "compromise" by guaranteeing just one team from each country qualify automatically with the rest decided by league placing. There'll be 24 teams. The Amlin Cup will die.

Oh well.
 
So if say Leicester (shudder) win it this year will they still leave or quit their childish *****ing 'cos one of them won?
 
An English team would want to cop on and win the thing soon, otherwise it just sounds like mouthing. The system is essentially the same one that was in operation when Saints, Tigers and Wasps were winning ***les and yet we heard none of this moaning back then. If I remember correctly in fact it was said that the competitive nature of the Premiership gave English sides an advantage as they were more battle hardened than the CL teams.

The English and French teams threatened to pull out in 2006 and 2007. Back then there were 3 English sides in the semi finals, and there was plenty of moaning.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2006/mar/30/rugbyunion.gdnsport3
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/6269979.stm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/2310275/Premiership-clubs-join-Heineken-Cup-boycott.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/apr/02/rugbyunion.sport1
 
There might come a point when not all the teams in the Top 14 and the AP will have a European tournament.

I for one wouldn't have a problem with that. If all the clubs know you have to finish in Xth position in your respective league to earn European rugby then so be it. Also wouldn't mind a trip to Germany...
 

Thanks duck i've been looking for that sort of evidence. The people saying "why haven't they raised these concerns before" are talking out of their arses.
 
Typical disproportionate horse shite as always drummed up by the Irish times.



Of course, if the English and French sides are as bad for the HEC as the author (and witch hunting commentors) proclaim, surely the HEC will thrive without them? Oh, hold on...
 
Don't tell that to the Cardiff Blues 2009/10 Conquerors of Europe.

Damn straight we were ;) Irony being that we were the only team that actually beat Toulouse (the real conquerors of Europe that year) in the Heineken. Pity we got screwed over in Sale by that referee otherwise we might've made the quarters <_< Still beating Wasps and Toulon away ain't too shabby a way to win some silverware, even if it's not the most impressive ***le.

Tell you what, how about the Pro 12 gets a new qualification system and the Premiership and Top 14 get much stricter salary caps? That way harder for the Celts and Italians to get into the HC, but don't get bled dry of all their young talent (a la the Welsh regions this year). See we all get to ***** about something <_<
 

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