Obama

[DC]

Well the douche f*** Obama is at his bullshit again. Welcome to the United Socialist States of America. (USSA anyone?) Apparently this douche bag wants to incorporate a mandatory service program for every citizen ages 18-25, similar to what the Israeli's do (obviously for good reason, they are under constant attack..) However, something about mandatory service in the United States is just wrong, it seems like he wants to have a citizen force at home which is as powerful as the one overseas (funny sound like a police state anyone?) Well i just hope all of the stupid kids my age, who voted.. wrongly... for Obama now see what kind of socialist he really is..

I knew i would fear the day when we elected someone like Obama..

 

[O'Rothlain]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DC @ May 23 2009, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Well the douche f*** Obama is at his bullshit again. Welcome to the United Socialist States of America. (USSA anyone?) Apparently this douche bag wants to incorporate a mandatory service program for every citizen ages 18-25, similar to what the Israeli's do (obviously for good reason, they are under constant attack..) However, something about mandatory service in the United States is just wrong, it seems like he wants to have a citizen force at home which is as powerful as the one overseas (funny sound like a police state anyone?) Well i just hope all of the stupid kids my age, who voted.. wrongly... for Obama now see what kind of socialist he really is..

I knew i would fear the day when we elected someone like Obama..[/b]

Well, it works for a lot of countries. Especially if you want free education, better health care, ect...
Look at the countries with the highest quality of life, many of them employ a very similar scheme.
We are a military country...the military ensures our world presence, which in turn get's us better trade deals.
If anything we've always been more like Sparta than Athens, let's not joke ourselves. Socialism has been a part of the American fabric for a very long time. People are only resistant to it because of the associations with Communism and all the propaganda the older generations battered into the next generations. We actually have borderlined on being a bit fascist. Making children pledge allegience, ect...
I'm not the biggest Obama suporter, I'm just saying aren't these things the natural progression of America? As the conservative, right wingers always say, "freedom isn't free."

 

[DC]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (O'Rothlain @ May 24 2009, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DC @ May 23 2009, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well the douche f*** Obama is at his bullshit again. Welcome to the United Socialist States of America. (USSA anyone?) Apparently this douche bag wants to incorporate a mandatory service program for every citizen ages 18-25, similar to what the Israeli's do (obviously for good reason, they are under constant attack..) However, something about mandatory service in the United States is just wrong, it seems like he wants to have a citizen force at home which is as powerful as the one overseas (funny sound like a police state anyone?) Well i just hope all of the stupid kids my age, who voted.. wrongly... for Obama now see what kind of socialist he really is..

I knew i would fear the day when we elected someone like Obama..[/b]

Well, it works for a lot of countries. Especially if you want free education, better health care, ect...
Look at the countries with the highest quality of life, many of them employ a very similar scheme.
We are a military country...the military ensures our world presence, which in turn get's us better trade deals.
If anything we've always been more like Sparta than Athens, let's not joke ourselves. Socialism has been a part of the American fabric for a very long time. People are only resistant to it because of the associations with Communism and all the propaganda the older generations battered into the next generations. We actually have borderlined on being a bit fascist. Making children pledge allegience, ect...
I'm not the biggest Obama suporter, I'm just saying aren't these things the natural progression of America? As the conservative, right wingers always say, "freedom isn't free."
[/b][/quote]

True, however, it is not mandatory in many of these countries (i.e. england, france, germany etc) At the end of the day i would rather be more slightly facist (with the pledge of allegiance) than socialist where people are denied their rights (as to whether or not they want to join a military force). True freedom isnt free, but at the end of the day we're not under constant attack like the Israeli's. But at the end of the day, f*** it, i love my country BUT if this douche f*** decides to ruin it with his wacky ideals, i wont have a problem migrating to another country..

 

[An Tarbh]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DC @ May 23 2009, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well the douche f*** Obama is at his bullshit again. Welcome to the United Socialist States of America. (USSA anyone?) Apparently this douche bag wants to incorporate a mandatory service program for every citizen ages 18-25, similar to what the Israeli's do (obviously for good reason, they are under constant attack..) However, something about mandatory service in the United States is just wrong, it seems like he wants to have a citizen force at home which is as powerful as the one overseas (funny sound like a police state anyone?) Well i just hope all of the stupid kids my age, who voted.. wrongly... for Obama now see what kind of socialist he really is..

I knew i would fear the day when we elected someone like Obama..[/b]

Well, it works for a lot of countries. Especially if you want free education, better health care, ect...
Look at the countries with the highest quality of life, many of them employ a very similar scheme.
We are a military country...the military ensures our world presence, which in turn get's us better trade deals.
If anything we've always been more like Sparta than Athens, let's not joke ourselves. Socialism has been a part of the American fabric for a very long time. People are only resistant to it because of the associations with Communism and all the propaganda the older generations battered into the next generations. We actually have borderlined on being a bit fascist. Making children pledge allegience, ect...
I'm not the biggest Obama suporter, I'm just saying aren't these things the natural progression of America? As the conservative, right wingers always say, "freedom isn't free."
[/b][/quote]

True, however, it is not mandatory in many of these countries (i.e. england, france, germany etc) At the end of the day i would rather be more slightly facist (with the pledge of allegiance) than socialist where people are denied their rights (as to whether or not they want to join a military force). True freedom isnt free, but at the end of the day we're not under constant attack like the Israeli's. But at the end of the day, f*** it, i love my country BUT if this douche f*** decides to ruin it with his wacky ideals, i wont have a problem migrating to another country..
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OK I don't know what the hell type of socialism you've got in the States but what you're describing borders more on fascism than anything.

 

[O'Rothlain]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DC @ May 23 2009, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well the douche f*** Obama is at his bullshit again. Welcome to the United Socialist States of America. (USSA anyone?) Apparently this douche bag wants to incorporate a mandatory service program for every citizen ages 18-25, similar to what the Israeli's do (obviously for good reason, they are under constant attack..) However, something about mandatory service in the United States is just wrong, it seems like he wants to have a citizen force at home which is as powerful as the one overseas (funny sound like a police state anyone?) Well i just hope all of the stupid kids my age, who voted.. wrongly... for Obama now see what kind of socialist he really is..

I knew i would fear the day when we elected someone like Obama..[/b]

Well, it works for a lot of countries. Especially if you want free education, better health care, ect...
Look at the countries with the highest quality of life, many of them employ a very similar scheme.
We are a military country...the military ensures our world presence, which in turn get's us better trade deals.
If anything we've always been more like Sparta than Athens, let's not joke ourselves. Socialism has been a part of the American fabric for a very long time. People are only resistant to it because of the associations with Communism and all the propaganda the older generations battered into the next generations. We actually have borderlined on being a bit fascist. Making children pledge allegience, ect...
I'm not the biggest Obama suporter, I'm just saying aren't these things the natural progression of America? As the conservative, right wingers always say, "freedom isn't free."
[/b][/quote]

True, however, it is not mandatory in many of these countries (i.e. england, france, germany etc) At the end of the day i would rather be more slightly facist (with the pledge of allegiance) than socialist where people are denied their rights (as to whether or not they want to join a military force). True freedom isnt free, but at the end of the day we're not under constant attack like the Israeli's. But at the end of the day, f*** it, i love my country BUT if this douche f*** decides to ruin it with his wacky ideals, i wont have a problem migrating to another country..
[/b][/quote]
Maybe it's not the "douche f___" you should worry about, but the slight majority of our country that actually completely agree with him. This isn't an Obama problem, it's the American problem.
The UK, like the US are not at the top of the highest standard of living index (sorry to you Brits).
We, the US, sit at #13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count...velopment_Index notice all the scandanavian countries where they have compulsary military service). I guess our freedom is so f___ing awesome that we've ended up falling behind the rest of the western world.
And, I agree with An Tarbh on this one: we border on Fascism, and that is not, as Glen Beck proposes, an Obama issue. It's very much been on the Republican, right wing, conservative agenda for a long time.

 

[Bullitt]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (O'Rothlain @ May 24 2009, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

The UK, like the US are not at the top of the highest standard of living index (sorry to you Brits).[/b]

Don't worry, we know it's rubbish here - The socialists have been seeing to that for the past 12 years.

 

[shtove]

George W was an 8 year car crash - apart from Iraq and the Patriot Act and all that, he increased government like a socialist except in the one area it turned out government interference was needed: oversight of the banks.

Obama is going to be a 4 year car crash! More oversight after the harm has been done, more bailouts, more welfare, and the federal government increasing and increasing. Annoying, because I've got a stash of $ and don't want it turning to ashes.

Mind you, the UK has bigger problems than the US - although not as big as California's: strongest candidate for depression-era suffering.

True US conservatives have the best idea: reserve the right to tell an oppressive government to fark off, with a gun. Europeans ridicule the right to bear arms, but we don't get it and think it's all about rednecks and rappers taking pot shots at each other.

 

[O'Rothlain]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shtove @ May 24 2009, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

George W was an 8 year car crash - apart from Iraq and the Patriot Act and all that, he increased government like a socialist except in the one area it turned out government interference was needed: oversight of the banks.

Obama is going to be a 4 year car crash! More oversight after the harm has been done, more bailouts, more welfare, and the federal government increasing and increasing. Annoying, because I've got a stash of $ and don't want it turning to ashes.

Mind you, the UK has bigger problems than the US - although not as big as California's: strongest candidate for depression-era suffering.

True US conservatives have the best idea: reserve the right to tell an oppressive government to fark off, with a gun. Europeans ridicule the right to bear arms, but we don't get it and think it's all about rednecks and rappers taking pot shots at each other.[/b]

Like the American people ever could successfully revolt again. I don't know. I do think it's time more people realized that it is not unpatriotic to not support the gov't. Being a patriot means sometimes going against the gov't. and supporting the rights of the people, ie the American Revolution. It's wasted breath, though.

 

[DC]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (O'Rothlain @ May 25 2009, 02:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (O'Rothlain @ May 24 2009, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DC @ May 23 2009, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well the douche f*** Obama is at his bullshit again. Welcome to the United Socialist States of America. (USSA anyone?) Apparently this douche bag wants to incorporate a mandatory service program for every citizen ages 18-25, similar to what the Israeli's do (obviously for good reason, they are under constant attack..) However, something about mandatory service in the United States is just wrong, it seems like he wants to have a citizen force at home which is as powerful as the one overseas (funny sound like a police state anyone?) Well i just hope all of the stupid kids my age, who voted.. wrongly... for Obama now see what kind of socialist he really is..

I knew i would fear the day when we elected someone like Obama..[/b]

Well, it works for a lot of countries. Especially if you want free education, better health care, ect...
Look at the countries with the highest quality of life, many of them employ a very similar scheme.
We are a military country...the military ensures our world presence, which in turn get's us better trade deals.
If anything we've always been more like Sparta than Athens, let's not joke ourselves. Socialism has been a part of the American fabric for a very long time. People are only resistant to it because of the associations with Communism and all the propaganda the older generations battered into the next generations. We actually have borderlined on being a bit fascist. Making children pledge allegience, ect...
I'm not the biggest Obama suporter, I'm just saying aren't these things the natural progression of America? As the conservative, right wingers always say, "freedom isn't free."
[/b][/quote]

True, however, it is not mandatory in many of these countries (i.e. england, france, germany etc) At the end of the day i would rather be more slightly facist (with the pledge of allegiance) than socialist where people are denied their rights (as to whether or not they want to join a military force). True freedom isnt free, but at the end of the day we're not under constant attack like the Israeli's. But at the end of the day, f*** it, i love my country BUT if this douche f*** decides to ruin it with his wacky ideals, i wont have a problem migrating to another country..
[/b][/quote]
Maybe it's not the "douche f___" you should worry about, but the slight majority of our country that actually completely agree with him. This isn't an Obama problem, it's the American problem.
The UK, like the US are not at the top of the highest standard of living index (sorry to you Brits).
We, the US, sit at #13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count...velopment_Index notice all the scandanavian countries where they have compulsary military service). I guess our freedom is so f___ing awesome that we've ended up falling behind the rest of the western world.
And, I agree with An Tarbh on this one: we border on Fascism, and that is not, as Glen Beck proposes, an Obama issue. It's very much been on the Republican, right wing, conservative agenda for a long time.
[/b][/quote]

It's not neccessarily an American problem either, well, actually it is. We bring up kids in this country who don't know **** about politics, and how **** works. For example, i find it simply disgraceful at how many kids my age voted for Obama because they believe him to be the cool or sexy choice. I mean what the f***? Seriously, thats why America is going downhill fast..

Not to mention his ridiculous plans to support those who are unemployed (and those who are not even seeking a job or trying get this benefit! To me that is simply absurd..) I believe we should revoke the right to vote for those who do not pay taxes. Plain and simple, that will negate the vote from those looking for simply handouts (which democrats give in abundance, let me remind you)

 

[O'Rothlain]

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."
- Sir Winston Churchill

 

[feicarsinn]

Ah Churchill a right git if I've ever heard of one. For all of you complaining about socialism I suppose you plan to give back your social security cheques and medicare later then mm? It ain't a perfect system but the fact of the matter is I'd rather live in a socialist country than one where there is no support for the less well off. Sure it's great when you are on top but if ain't the attitude is tough luck.

 

[shtove]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (feicarsinn @ May 25 2009, 09:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Ah Churchill a right git if I've ever heard of one. For all of you complaining about socialism I suppose you plan to give back your social security cheques and medicare later then mm? It ain't a perfect system but the fact of the matter is I'd rather live in a socialist country than one where there is no support for the less well off. Sure it's great when you are on top but if ain't the attitude is tough luck.[/b]

I lived in Manhattan for a while, and some of the stuff I saw on the streets was shocking to someone coming from a welfare system. I dunno. It was interesting. Life has consequences.

But even the US medicare and social welfare system will become completely unaffordable.

Who pays for that system? People who earn their living.

Who benefits by the welfare system? The weak. But also those who reckon it doesn't pay to earn a living.

There's a basic injustice there, which is mostly tolerable. But the big government types like Bush/Blair/Brown/Obama have been ramping up that system to the point where earners feel they've been spat in the face - and that includes the insane personal debt people have had to take on to provide themselves with a decent standard of living as their wages fell behind inflation over the last ten years.

Want to buy a house? It should cost at most four times your annual earnings. Average wage in UK - £24K. Average house price in UK - £150k. That's inflation, even after the recent collapse, and the difference is enormous. It can't go on. Arithmetically impossible. So we're looking at another 30% plus decline in UK house prices.

Now, on top of that, comes a currency devaluation (stealing money from your pocket) plus welfare for the banks funded by the taxpayer by unaccountable decree from governments that allowed those banks to lend like lunatics to cover the shortfall in earners' wages.

Insane! Does voting make a difference? Seems not. That's why you need a gun.

Don't lose the faith, O'R!

 

[O'Rothlain]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (feicarsinn @ May 24 2009, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Ah Churchill a right git if I've ever heard of one. For all of you complaining about socialism I suppose you plan to give back your social security cheques and medicare later then mm? It ain't a perfect system but the fact of the matter is I'd rather live in a socialist country than one where there is no support for the less well off. Sure it's great when you are on top but if ain't the attitude is tough luck.[/b]

You realize it's DC that's complaining, not me, right?
I'm stating facts. I'm lean towards socialism to start with.
America is a socialist country, it's just a really bad system. We need reforms to welfare, not more welfare, or not doing away with welfare. People always want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

 

[DC]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (feicarsinn @ May 25 2009, 09:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Ah Churchill a right git if I've ever heard of one. For all of you complaining about socialism I suppose you plan to give back your social security cheques and medicare later then mm? It ain't a perfect system but the fact of the matter is I'd rather live in a socialist country than one where there is no support for the less well off. Sure it's great when you are on top but if ain't the attitude is tough luck.[/b]

I dont have a problem supporting those who try to become employed, or actually need the assistance because they struggle with the pay they receive... however, i do have a problem with giving handouts to people who don't do **** at all. And i hate having to pay social security fees out of my pay check, i'd rather not really, i think its pointless.

 

[shtove]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DC @ May 28 2009, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (feicarsinn @ May 25 2009, 09:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ah Churchill a right git if I've ever heard of one. For all of you complaining about socialism I suppose you plan to give back your social security cheques and medicare later then mm? It ain't a perfect system but the fact of the matter is I'd rather live in a socialist country than one where there is no support for the less well off. Sure it's great when you are on top but if ain't the attitude is tough luck.[/b]

I dont have a problem supporting those who try to become employed, or actually need the assistance because they struggle with the pay they receive... however, i do have a problem with giving handouts to people who don't do **** at all. And i hate having to pay social security fees out of my pay check, i'd rather not really, i think its pointless.
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Banks? This is what Obama has to tackle. If the banks keep leeching off American taxpayers then you really are in the shitter - worse than the 1930s. Same problem in UK.

What has Obama done? Appointed Geithner to replace Paulson as Thief-in-Chief, and told the Chinese that they better keep lending to the US, even though it's a loser for them. f***ing disgusting.

The UK is a weeny, but the US is supposed to have balls. No sign of that.

 

[Meh]

I'm Socialist and this American "Socialism" isn't like any Socialism I've ever heard of.

 

[Bullitt]

Socialist employment contract negotiations:

28 days paid holiday
3 months sick leave allowance
3 months maternity/paternity leave
2 months optional contract break
*2 Months "strike period" for re-negotiations regarding next years contract.

Socialists are a f***ing bane on society, adamant about the benefits of a welfare state but completely unwilling to contribute themselves. Walk into any job centre and you'll clearly see those who plan on voting for the left-wing partys compared to those who don't; the great unwashed in their masses, content with living on the bottom rung of society so long as they don't need to lift a finger nor make the effort to find themselves work or even be polite to their fellow man. The nature of handouts themselves breeds this selfish nature amongst those who are nothing but lazy - Welcome one and all to the Welfare State.

Then the saddest part will be for those unfortunate enough to being the untenable position of looking for work which, thanks in a large part to the socialist governments causing all business at best to make redundancies or at worst to close completely, doesn't exist or pays so little that the average man cannot afford such basics as 3 square meals a day and his travel expenses to the distant job he will be forced to take. Nobody can afford to relocate these days.

History has shown that Socialists always promise the earth but fail to deliver. Then, when they've sold the family gold, racked up the debts and the populous finally has had enough of them, they leave a poison chalice for the following government to sort out. The follow on Government eventually puts the country back on track (a process which can take up to 20 years), then the <strike>idiots brigade</strike> population vote the socialist back in after being promised the earth once again and the whole process repeats itself. Oroboris.

 

[QLD]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shtove @ May 25 2009, 08:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (feicarsinn @ May 25 2009, 09:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ah Churchill a right git if I've ever heard of one. For all of you complaining about socialism I suppose you plan to give back your social security cheques and medicare later then mm? It ain't a perfect system but the fact of the matter is I'd rather live in a socialist country than one where there is no support for the less well off. Sure it's great when you are on top but if ain't the attitude is tough luck.[/b]

I lived in Manhattan for a while, and some of the stuff I saw on the streets was shocking to someone coming from a welfare system. I dunno. It was interesting. Life has consequences.
[/b][/quote]

Now you're living in Bournemouth, England with loads of not so rich old people.

 

[DC]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Meh @ May 31 2009, 07:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I'm Socialist and this American "Socialism" isn't like any Socialism I've ever heard of.[/b]

Really? Massive social support systems don't run with the ideals of socialism?

I mean nationalized health care doesn't?

 

[DonBilly]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Meh @ May 31 2009, 07:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I'm Socialist and this American "Socialism" isn't like any Socialism I've ever heard of.[/b]

Really? Massive social support systems don't run with the ideals of socialism?

I mean nationalized health care doesn't?
[/b][/quote]

Is Canada a socialist country according to you? They have a nationalised health care system. In UK in some way the health care system is also under control of the state. Is UK a socialist country?