Obama v McCain

[gingergenius]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Javen @ Nov 5 2008, 06:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I was very scared for him seeing that bullet proof glass on the stage. I hope he will be safe for the next 4 years and then some.(Oh i bet Iran is happy that they are not getting bombed! McCain had a date set already for the bombings!)
I think Obama will do wonders for US internationally.

Whoever said that racism isn't as bad in UK as it is in USA, bs my friend, I am American and black, on a trip to England (saw my only live rugby match! England beat Scotland 42 - 20 in the 2007 six nations) i took as many outright insults as I did in my entire life.[/b]

Like what? I've been to about 20 England matches and never heard anything remotely racist. It's so rare these days for even football fans to be racist; there were some Tottenham fans a month ago abusing Sol Campbell but that incident got Sprus in big trouble. There's been really nothing else for the last 15 years.

 

[Bullitt]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Javen @ Nov 5 2008, 06:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Whoever said that racism isn't as bad in UK as it is in USA, bs my friend, I am American and black, on a trip to England (saw my only live rugby match! England beat Scotland 42 - 20 in the 2007 six nations) i took as many outright insults as I did in my entire life.[/b]

At a rugby match?

Ponceball crowds are as bad as they've always been (don't listen to ginger ******** above, he's apparently as clueless as ever) but racism at a rugby match is unheard of. Was this actually in HQ or outside of the arena?

 

[Jer1cho]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fa'atau82 @ Nov 5 2008, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

The thing is people fear what they don't, or can't understand. Alas, some people cannot understand how/why a black man can be president. I honestly don't think it makes a slightest difference what your skin colour is.[/b]

The sad sad reality though, is that it does make a difference. Here it does anyway, i wish people could just be people, instead of being a "type" of people trying to out-do another. I wouldn't be surprised if America also starts doing the whole 'transformation' thing. But anyway, i was shouting for him, and i hope that he can fix the mess made by that stupid vaginal Bush of a president.

 

[Fa'atau82]

South Africa is a whole different ball game. That's more about politics.

Like let's talk about Jamaica for a moment.. in jamaica itself it is quite poor, but they survive on agriculture such as banana and fruits.. and free-growing narcotics are abundant there of course too.

Jamaicans are seriously laid back in the main and will let a lot of their crop wither away as they just cannot be bothered/continue to harvest it. Now some of these people who don't want to work will see the drugs as a way to get out of Jamaica.

The problem is, they bring it here and instantly get jamaicans a name as drug traffickers. So instantly police pick people up on the street for no reason if they suspect they are jamaican as they must surely be involved in some crime, which is not true.

This assumption leads to considerable racial tension.. and consider that britain is in some ways institutionally racist (to most other cultures).. mix all that up and you have a timebomb.

The problem here is not that you are 'black', it is what culture and habits you have if you come from abroad. It's very easy to come here and ignore the locals, as in that they actually refuse to learn the language and create a fuss about being taught christianity at school as it clashes with their beliefs. It is the pandering of the government in general that creates this stigma, rather than the skin colour.

Skin colour is just a handy excuse that amounts to nothing at all.

USA is different, but is far more diverse in it's peoples and traditions and you can't represent them all.

 

[kinkon89]

wooohoo obama won

 

[O'Rothlain]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Nov 4 2008, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

They weren't off the cuff remarks, he was reading that off an autocue.[/b]

True.

Congrats to Obama. In the end I didn't vote for him. I did vote for him in the primary against Hillary.
My hope is that this sets a bench mark in America so reverse racism and false discrimination allegations can die. I also hope it outright ends the other side, which is racism. I hope that makes sense.

What sort of ****** me off about this election is the number of 1st time voters in their late age. All last night they kept saying "Finally we have a voice." I'm like Finally? I'm 29 and I've exercised my voice on the national level 3 times now. You're 55 and this is your first? This election was a lot of hype, a lot of celebrity and a lot of media. I hope the campaign that won isn't as shallow as some of the means it used to reach to the top.

Obama has a lot of work to do. I will definitely pray for him and his family. His strong suit is domestic reform. I prefer his more social agenda to McCains anyway. I'm a bit worried about foreign affairs, not with the UK or the EU (anyone other than Bush could do fix that), but with Iran, N.Korea, and Russia. We shall see...

 

[Bullitt]

Something that got my goat on the Radio this morning was an interview with some woman in New York saying (imagine the drawling accent) "And I'm soooooooo pleased to finally vote for a genuine African American".

So in other words, she voted for him because he's black. Nothing to do with his parties policies or his ability as a leader. Personally I don't know jack-all about what either Obama or Oven-chips pledged to the people, but the only impression I get from watching anything about it is people are more interested in the colour of his skin then the content of his mind.

It's a pity that, while democracy is great in principal, giving everybody a voice also allows complete morons a mouthpiece.



That also reminds me of when Nelson Mandella was interviewed on American TV.
TV presenter: "So what does it feel like to be the worlds first democratically elected African American president?" (or something along those lines)
Mandella: "I'm not American"

 

[Charles]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Nov 5 2008, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Something that got my goat on the Radio this morning was an interview with some woman in New York saying (imagine the drawling accent) "And I'm soooooooo pleased to finally vote for a genuine African American".

So in other words, she voted for him because he's black. Nothing to do with his parties policies or his ability as a leader. Personally I don't know jack-all about what either Obama or Oven-chips pledged to the people, but the only impression I get from watching anything about it is people are more interested in the colour of his skin then the content of his mind.

It's a pity that, while democracy is great in principal, giving everybody a voice also allows complete morons a mouthpiece.



That also reminds me of when Nelson Mandella was interviewed on American TV.
TV presenter: "So what does it feel like to be the worlds first democratically elected African American president?" (or something along those lines)
Mandella: "I'm not American"[/b]

Yeah, the real battle begins now for Obama. He will be under pressure of all the black people who voted for him, but at the same time he's not there for a revenge or something, because he now represents the whole nation. He will try to nullify the racial factor in his policy, and that will not please the black leaders who advocate for communautarism.

That Mandela stuff is too good...

 

[O'Rothlain]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Nov 5 2008, 08:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

So in other words, she voted for him because he's black. Nothing to do with his parties policies or his ability as a leader. Personally I don't know jack-all about what either Obama or Oven-chips pledged to the people, but the only impression I get from watching anything about it is people are more interested in the colour of his skin then the content of his mind.[/b]

Yes, exactly. There was a lot of this going on during this election. If you look at the numbers of the black american population that voted this time versus any other election it is staggering. It makes you frustrated with democracy when people don't care most of the time. I'm glad they voted, I just am ****** that they didn't in the past. It changes the landscape of our country.

 

[Sir Speedy]

Heh...

 

[shtove]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Nov 6 2008, 02:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

It's a pity that, while democracy is great in principal, giving everybody a voice also allows complete morons a mouthpiece.[/b]

I think it's the other way round - democracy is sort of crappy in principle, but it works because everyone gets an opportunity. It's constantly in motion, and very messy, but prevents the principled extremists from imposing themselves: monetarists, mercantilists, communists, statists, libertarians, Islamists, Tehmitists, etc.

 

[An Tarbh]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Nov 5 2008, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Nov 5 2008, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Something that got my goat on the Radio this morning was an interview with some woman in New York saying (imagine the drawling accent) "And I'm soooooooo pleased to finally vote for a genuine African American".

So in other words, she voted for him because he's black. Nothing to do with his parties policies or his ability as a leader. Personally I don't know jack-all about what either Obama or Oven-chips pledged to the people, but the only impression I get from watching anything about it is people are more interested in the colour of his skin then the content of his mind.

It's a pity that, while democracy is great in principal, giving everybody a voice also allows complete morons a mouthpiece.



That also reminds me of when Nelson Mandella was interviewed on American TV.
TV presenter: "So what does it feel like to be the worlds first democratically elected African American president?" (or something along those lines)
Mandella: "I'm not American"[/b]

Yeah, the real battle begins now for Obama. He will be under pressure of all the black people who voted for him, but at the same time he's not there for a revenge or something, because he now represents the whole nation. He will try to nullify the racial factor in his policy, and that will not please the black leaders who advocate for communautarism.
[/b][/quote]

I don't think he's only under pressure from the African Americans, he's under pressure from across the spectrum to perform, he took huge swathes of voters that Kerry and Gore didn't even get close to, so the pressure is definitely on not to repeat the mistakes of Clinton when he had the exact same circumstances as Obama is facing now.

 

[gingergenius]

Just been having some fun reading youtube comments on some Obama videos.

"Obama rocks!"

"No Mccain rocks"

"I truly am not racist but I'll be voting for McCain becaus Obama has Muslim backing and I'm just a little scared"

"Watch our once great country demise into socialism as they come to your doors and take your guns and we won't have our right to fair trial"

"Our country already is socialist"

"I love barack"

"When bin Laden's standing in your street, do you wany Obama with his change or Sarah Palin with her gun?"

^^^ I think the Pilgrim Fathers would've been better staying at home.

 

[O'Rothlain]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sir. Speedy @ Nov 5 2008, 11:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Heh...[/b]

Hahahaha. :bravo: Brilliant.

 

[Javen]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Nov 5 2008, 01:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

At a rugby match?

Ponceball crowds are as bad as they've always been (don't listen to ginger ******** above, he's apparently as clueless as ever) but racism at a rugby match is unheard of. Was this actually in HQ or outside of the arena?[/b]

Not at the match, but some places i went to in London, even ended up smashing some drunk's face at one point at a pub, and I normally tolerate drunks well. Hell maybe they were just jealous I had a fit girl escorting me all around

And for the election, I couldn't believe it when Obama won, I proud to be American for the first time in my life.

 

[Bullitt]

Ah, I see. The way that was written, it read to me like it happened in HQ itself!

Don't use London as a basis to judge the rest of us though as they're a rule onto themselves; Just ask any Cockney ****** and they'd be harping on for hours about how "London keeps the whole of the UK afloat and they should separate from the rest to become their own nation, blah, blah, blah".

A strange, petty bunch.

 

[Fa'atau82]

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Not at the match, but some places i went to in London, even ended up smashing some drunk's face at one point at a pub, and I normally tolerate drunks well. Hell maybe they were just jealous I had a fit girl escorting me all around[/b]

YOU are an american playing in the BBL (british basketball league).. so which rookie are you?

 

[Javen]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Nov 6 2008, 12:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Ah, I see. The way that was written, it read to me like it happened in HQ itself!

Don't use London as a basis to judge the rest of us though as they're a rule onto themselves; Just ask any Cockney ****** and they'd be harping on for hours about how "London keeps the whole of the UK afloat and they should separate from the rest to become their own nation, blah, blah, blah".

A strange, petty bunch.[/b]

Sounds like Texas to me lol The people i met on here so far are great so I guess I shouldn't do the same mistake many foreigners do with US, and judge it by few people that don't represent it well.

(Bush was from Texas btw haha, na na na na... hey hey goodbye!) I am hearing so much of "communist [pick your own word]" around here about Obama though it's not even funny.

 

[Fa'atau82]

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The people i met on here so far are great[/b]

Yes, indeed we are. ^_^

 

[dullonien]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Nov 5 2008, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Something that got my goat on the Radio this morning was an interview with some woman in New York saying (imagine the drawling accent) "And I'm soooooooo pleased to finally vote for a genuine African American".

So in other words, she voted for him because he's black. Nothing to do with his parties policies or his ability as a leader. Personally I don't know jack-all about what either Obama or Oven-chips pledged to the people, but the only impression I get from watching anything about it is people are more interested in the colour of his skin then the content of his mind.

It's a pity that, while democracy is great in principal, giving everybody a voice also allows complete morons a mouthpiece.



That also reminds me of when Nelson Mandella was interviewed on American TV.
TV presenter: "So what does it feel like to be the worlds first democratically elected African American president?" (or something along those lines)
Mandella: "I'm not American"[/b]

Not sure I agree. In my opinion it's as good a reason as any to vote for somone. Black people have been put down for generations. The native people of America has only recently had a voice again. Basically it's a huge thing (a great thing) to have a black president of the United States. It shows the world how far things have come in such a small amount of time (relitively), from when a black person has to give up his seat on a bus etc.

Of course it's important that he's a good president, making changes were it matters. Improving the image America projects on the world would be a big start (on a global scale), playing down 'terrorism' etc. But also on a local scale, the credit crunch has hit everyone hard and needs the right people to sort it out (though it had to happen didn't it?). From what I've seen so far, Obama is the right man to do this, imo of course. He's gotta be better that Bush, right?