S
St Helens RLFC
Guest
How are people even considering the defence of using cocaine, or other "recreational" drugs?
-
Help Support The Rugby Forum :
S
Steve-o
Guest
Let this be a warning to all Saffa Pom-wannabes who want to go play rugby for England-land. It's full of drug runners! 
B
Bullitt
Guest
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (St Helens RLFC @ Jan 21 2009, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Because some people are born stupid.
Because some people are born stupid.
S
St Helens RLFC
Guest
Change that to "Born Slippy." People bang on about mega mega white thing in that.......
D
danny
Guest
A bit of nose-candy, now and again is fine. The real issue here is the guys a professional sportsman. So hes been stupid when you consider the penalty he will now face. His career is in ruins and for what? Its hardly performance enhancing. If it was me Id ban him till the end of the season but unfortunatly its not.
B
Bullitt
Guest
If any of us were find out by our employers to be snorting cocaine, none of us would be immune from the sack. The bloke's a f***ing idiot for taking drugs and deserves whatever's coming to him. Which'll hopefully be a 2 year ban and never to pull on his adopted national jersey again.
And I'm trying very hard to think of a good reason not to give out a neg rep for "A bit of nose-candy, now and again is fine." Apparently you're even dumber then I thought.
And I'm trying very hard to think of a good reason not to give out a neg rep for "A bit of nose-candy, now and again is fine." Apparently you're even dumber then I thought.
N
Nidhogg
Guest
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Jan 21 2009, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Because some people are born stupid.[/b][/quote]
Because some people don't like having the government telling them what they can or can't do to and with themselves privately.
Also, what I don't get is how you can be against recreational drugs, but not against something like alcohol. At least try to be consistent. Alcohol kills over a 100,000 people in the United States
alone, how many do recreational drugs kill? 435,000 die of tobacco every year, the number of deaths through cocaine (and let's pretend he wasn't smoking crack) don't even fit on the same scale.
Funnily enough, many death reports of illicit drug use come from a combination of drugs and ...alcohol. The government in the US tried to ban that, it ended up in being a huge kick start for the Mafia
and other organized crime. Now, it's just another buisness, very much socially accepted. No-one looks weird at you when you pour yourself another glass of wine.
It's a bit hypocritical to just go off on drugs, and wave away the drink (Howlett smashing up cars anyone, bing drinking incidents at French clubs?).
To me, that is being born stupid.
Because some people are born stupid.[/b][/quote]
Because some people don't like having the government telling them what they can or can't do to and with themselves privately.
Also, what I don't get is how you can be against recreational drugs, but not against something like alcohol. At least try to be consistent. Alcohol kills over a 100,000 people in the United States
alone, how many do recreational drugs kill? 435,000 die of tobacco every year, the number of deaths through cocaine (and let's pretend he wasn't smoking crack) don't even fit on the same scale.
Funnily enough, many death reports of illicit drug use come from a combination of drugs and ...alcohol. The government in the US tried to ban that, it ended up in being a huge kick start for the Mafia
and other organized crime. Now, it's just another buisness, very much socially accepted. No-one looks weird at you when you pour yourself another glass of wine.
It's a bit hypocritical to just go off on drugs, and wave away the drink (Howlett smashing up cars anyone, bing drinking incidents at French clubs?).
To me, that is being born stupid.
D
danny
Guest
A two year ban will finish his international career anyway. Also do you have to abuse me every time you reply to one of my posts, as Im entitled to my opinion even if it doesnt match with your views. As for neg repping me go ahead, I couldnt care less. My views on certain substances are from experience your views are based on what you read in the papers.
B
Bullitt
Guest
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nidhogg @ Jan 21 2009, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Because some people are born stupid.[/b][/quote]
Because some people don't like having the government telling them what they can or can't do to and with themselves privately.
Also, what I don't get is how you can be against recreational drugs, but not against something like alcohol. At least try to be consistent. Alcohol kills over a 100,000 people in the United States
alone, how many do recreational drugs kill? 435,000 die of tobacco every year, the number of deaths through cocaine (and let's pretend he wasn't smoking crack) don't even fit on the same scale.
Funnily enough, many death reports of illicit drug use come from a combination of drugs and ...alcohol. The government in the US tried to ban that, it ended up in being a huge kick start for the Mafia
and other organized crime. Now, it's just another buisness, very much socially accepted. No-one looks weird at you when you pour yourself another glass of wine.
It's a bit hypocritical to just go off on drugs, and wave away the drink (Howlett smashing up cars anyone, bing drinking incidents at French clubs?).
To me, that is being born stupid.
[/b][/quote]
Yes, but while the illicit leftards hare set against Tobacco and Alcohol, mostly because they want a whinge about something. However, both are legal and perfectly fine in moderation. (And don't start spouting government advice about Anti-smoking, which is actually a publication funded by Nicorette and all the other nicotine replacemert product companies) - ASHs chief sponsor is Nicorette.
Cocaine however is;
1. Highly addictive
2. Personallity affecting
3. Against the law.
Oh, what was that...
AGAINST THE LAW
Ah yes.
But hay-ho on another side of a different story, maybe Gary Glitter deserves a second chance. He's only f***ed a little girl in a part of the world where he thought it was legal. He's not an evil man, he just needs help...*
*For those of you who took your stupid pills recently (IE those defending the use of cocaine), that was sarcasm.
Because some people are born stupid.[/b][/quote]
Because some people don't like having the government telling them what they can or can't do to and with themselves privately.
Also, what I don't get is how you can be against recreational drugs, but not against something like alcohol. At least try to be consistent. Alcohol kills over a 100,000 people in the United States
alone, how many do recreational drugs kill? 435,000 die of tobacco every year, the number of deaths through cocaine (and let's pretend he wasn't smoking crack) don't even fit on the same scale.
Funnily enough, many death reports of illicit drug use come from a combination of drugs and ...alcohol. The government in the US tried to ban that, it ended up in being a huge kick start for the Mafia
and other organized crime. Now, it's just another buisness, very much socially accepted. No-one looks weird at you when you pour yourself another glass of wine.
It's a bit hypocritical to just go off on drugs, and wave away the drink (Howlett smashing up cars anyone, bing drinking incidents at French clubs?).
To me, that is being born stupid.
[/b][/quote]
Yes, but while the illicit leftards hare set against Tobacco and Alcohol, mostly because they want a whinge about something. However, both are legal and perfectly fine in moderation. (And don't start spouting government advice about Anti-smoking, which is actually a publication funded by Nicorette and all the other nicotine replacemert product companies) - ASHs chief sponsor is Nicorette.
Cocaine however is;
1. Highly addictive
2. Personallity affecting
3. Against the law.
Oh, what was that...
AGAINST THE LAW
Ah yes.
But hay-ho on another side of a different story, maybe Gary Glitter deserves a second chance. He's only f***ed a little girl in a part of the world where he thought it was legal. He's not an evil man, he just needs help...*
*For those of you who took your stupid pills recently (IE those defending the use of cocaine), that was sarcasm.
D
dundeesmiffy
Guest
I think everyones getting a bit too serious about this.
Saying things like "He is a twat if it's coke", is kind of harsh.
Not that I'm saying that coke is a good thing either, but he's obviously expressed his lack of control of this situation, it's something that's obviously gotten out of hand.
Sure he has a responsibility as a professional rugby player, but as far as a two year ban and saying things like 'HE SHOULD BE BANNED FROM EVERY SPORT EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD EVER", is also pretty harsh. He should be reprimanded, yes. As has been proposed in previous posts, maybe a 2 month ban, he'll miss the 6 nations and a considerable part of the GP, learn his lesson, come back, healthy and be a fun player to watch.
I think some people need to get off their high horses and stop being so bloody judgmental.
And unless he knocked back a couple of lines before he left the changing rooms, it's just sheer pedantry to say it was performance enhancing.
Saying things like "He is a twat if it's coke", is kind of harsh.
Not that I'm saying that coke is a good thing either, but he's obviously expressed his lack of control of this situation, it's something that's obviously gotten out of hand.
Sure he has a responsibility as a professional rugby player, but as far as a two year ban and saying things like 'HE SHOULD BE BANNED FROM EVERY SPORT EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD EVER", is also pretty harsh. He should be reprimanded, yes. As has been proposed in previous posts, maybe a 2 month ban, he'll miss the 6 nations and a considerable part of the GP, learn his lesson, come back, healthy and be a fun player to watch.
I think some people need to get off their high horses and stop being so bloody judgmental.
And unless he knocked back a couple of lines before he left the changing rooms, it's just sheer pedantry to say it was performance enhancing.
A
An Tarbh
Guest
why should he get 2 months though when Sailor got 2 years for the same offence?
D
dundeesmiffy
Guest
Because that was a huge mistake, in my opinion.
N
Nidhogg
Guest
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Jan 21 2009, 06:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Because some people are born stupid.[/b][/quote]
Because some people don't like having the government telling them what they can or can't do to and with themselves privately.
Also, what I don't get is how you can be against recreational drugs, but not against something like alcohol. At least try to be consistent. Alcohol kills over a 100,000 people in the United States
alone, how many do recreational drugs kill? 435,000 die of tobacco every year, the number of deaths through cocaine (and let's pretend he wasn't smoking crack) don't even fit on the same scale.
Funnily enough, many death reports of illicit drug use come from a combination of drugs and ...alcohol. The government in the US tried to ban that, it ended up in being a huge kick start for the Mafia
and other organized crime. Now, it's just another buisness, very much socially accepted. No-one looks weird at you when you pour yourself another glass of wine.
It's a bit hypocritical to just go off on drugs, and wave away the drink (Howlett smashing up cars anyone, bing drinking incidents at French clubs?).
To me, that is being born stupid.
[/b][/quote]
Yes, but while the illicit leftards hare set against Tobacco and Alcohol, mostly because they want a whinge about something. However, both are <strike>legal</strike> and perfectly fine in moderation. (And don't start spouting government advice about Anti-smoking, which is actually a publication funded by Nicorette and all the other nicotine replacemert product companies) - ASHs chief sponsor is Nicorette.
Cocaine however is;
1. Highly addictive
2. Personallity affecting
<strike>3. Against the law.</strike>
Oh, what was that...
<strike>AGAINST THE LAW</strike>
Ah yes.
<strike>But hay-ho on another side of a different story, maybe Gary Glitter deserves a second chance. He's only f***ed a little girl in a part of the world where he thought it was legal. He's not an evil man, he just needs help...*</strike>
*For those of you who took your stupid pills recently (IE those defending the use of cocaine), that was sarcasm.[/b][/quote]
First off, I'm NOT ADVOCATING ONE SHOULD BREAK THE LAW, I said he should be punished, to be more specific, he should be punished for breaking the law. My whole train of thought is aimed against the private use of drugs, and how I find it erronous that alcohol and tobacco escape this scrutiny, when they have a far more profound effect on the health and safety of far more people.
I'm a bit amused about the whole "alcohol and tobacco are perfectly fine in moderation" part. Obviously everything is fine in moderation. If you take tiny amounts of any toxic material, it will not/barely effect you.
The problem is that almost nobody uses things in moderation. Perhaps we should change the law so that such substance would only be allowed to be taken in a legally determined dose? And yeah, the anti-tobacco thing is bullshit, smoking is no biggie, all the studies that put it in the highest categories of death causes are nonsense.
1. Highly Addictive
Alcohol might not be as physically addictive as cocaine, that's true. On the other hand, it most certainly has addictive qualities. Apart from the physical addiction some people have of alcohol, you also have a very
widespread social drinking phenomenon (same as with smoking really). I know people who are just fine drinking a few beers with their mates, but when they are in certain settings where they feel the need
to prove something or keep up, they suddenly drink many times the amount they would normally. For a non-additive substance, it's surprising to see how many people can't seem to keep their hands of the stuff,
no matter how hard they promised themselves they wouldn't drink.
2. Personality Affecting
Alcohol doesn't affect your personality? You're kidding, right?
Let's pile on some more arguments against alcohol:
-destroys brain cells, possibly leading to brain damage.
-greatly disturbs the structure and function of the central nervous system
-moderate consumption of alcohol can affect cognitive abilities
-large amounts interfere with the oxygen supply of the brain causing a blackout when totally drunk.
-addiction may also inflame the mouth, esophagus, and stomach, and could cause cancer in these areas, especially in drinkers who also smoke.
-splurge drinking may produce irregular heartbeats, and abusers experience a higher risk of high-blood pressure, heart attacks, and other heart damage.
-can harm vision, damage sexual function, slow circulation, be the grounds for malnutrition, and water retention.
-it can also lead to skin and pancreatic disorders, weaken the bones and muscles, thus, decreasing immunity
Alcohol destroys more lives than all drugs PUT TOGETHER, the car accidents, the alcohol related homocides, suicides, the list goes on and on. I like how you just skim over that whole fact in your reply.
Also, if you think I'm left wing, you are sorely mistaken. Government control is actually a socialist feature, personal freedom a right-wing one.
Because some people are born stupid.[/b][/quote]
Because some people don't like having the government telling them what they can or can't do to and with themselves privately.
Also, what I don't get is how you can be against recreational drugs, but not against something like alcohol. At least try to be consistent. Alcohol kills over a 100,000 people in the United States
alone, how many do recreational drugs kill? 435,000 die of tobacco every year, the number of deaths through cocaine (and let's pretend he wasn't smoking crack) don't even fit on the same scale.
Funnily enough, many death reports of illicit drug use come from a combination of drugs and ...alcohol. The government in the US tried to ban that, it ended up in being a huge kick start for the Mafia
and other organized crime. Now, it's just another buisness, very much socially accepted. No-one looks weird at you when you pour yourself another glass of wine.
It's a bit hypocritical to just go off on drugs, and wave away the drink (Howlett smashing up cars anyone, bing drinking incidents at French clubs?).
To me, that is being born stupid.
[/b][/quote]
Yes, but while the illicit leftards hare set against Tobacco and Alcohol, mostly because they want a whinge about something. However, both are <strike>legal</strike> and perfectly fine in moderation. (And don't start spouting government advice about Anti-smoking, which is actually a publication funded by Nicorette and all the other nicotine replacemert product companies) - ASHs chief sponsor is Nicorette.
Cocaine however is;
1. Highly addictive
2. Personallity affecting
<strike>3. Against the law.</strike>
Oh, what was that...
<strike>AGAINST THE LAW</strike>
Ah yes.
<strike>But hay-ho on another side of a different story, maybe Gary Glitter deserves a second chance. He's only f***ed a little girl in a part of the world where he thought it was legal. He's not an evil man, he just needs help...*</strike>
*For those of you who took your stupid pills recently (IE those defending the use of cocaine), that was sarcasm.[/b][/quote]
First off, I'm NOT ADVOCATING ONE SHOULD BREAK THE LAW, I said he should be punished, to be more specific, he should be punished for breaking the law. My whole train of thought is aimed against the private use of drugs, and how I find it erronous that alcohol and tobacco escape this scrutiny, when they have a far more profound effect on the health and safety of far more people.
I'm a bit amused about the whole "alcohol and tobacco are perfectly fine in moderation" part. Obviously everything is fine in moderation. If you take tiny amounts of any toxic material, it will not/barely effect you.
The problem is that almost nobody uses things in moderation. Perhaps we should change the law so that such substance would only be allowed to be taken in a legally determined dose? And yeah, the anti-tobacco thing is bullshit, smoking is no biggie, all the studies that put it in the highest categories of death causes are nonsense.
1. Highly Addictive
Alcohol might not be as physically addictive as cocaine, that's true. On the other hand, it most certainly has addictive qualities. Apart from the physical addiction some people have of alcohol, you also have a very
widespread social drinking phenomenon (same as with smoking really). I know people who are just fine drinking a few beers with their mates, but when they are in certain settings where they feel the need
to prove something or keep up, they suddenly drink many times the amount they would normally. For a non-additive substance, it's surprising to see how many people can't seem to keep their hands of the stuff,
no matter how hard they promised themselves they wouldn't drink.
2. Personality Affecting
Alcohol doesn't affect your personality? You're kidding, right?
Let's pile on some more arguments against alcohol:
-destroys brain cells, possibly leading to brain damage.
-greatly disturbs the structure and function of the central nervous system
-moderate consumption of alcohol can affect cognitive abilities
-large amounts interfere with the oxygen supply of the brain causing a blackout when totally drunk.
-addiction may also inflame the mouth, esophagus, and stomach, and could cause cancer in these areas, especially in drinkers who also smoke.
-splurge drinking may produce irregular heartbeats, and abusers experience a higher risk of high-blood pressure, heart attacks, and other heart damage.
-can harm vision, damage sexual function, slow circulation, be the grounds for malnutrition, and water retention.
-it can also lead to skin and pancreatic disorders, weaken the bones and muscles, thus, decreasing immunity
Alcohol destroys more lives than all drugs PUT TOGETHER, the car accidents, the alcohol related homocides, suicides, the list goes on and on. I like how you just skim over that whole fact in your reply.
Also, if you think I'm left wing, you are sorely mistaken. Government control is actually a socialist feature, personal freedom a right-wing one.
B
Bullitt
Guest
Right, here is exactly how that theorey works for you (using tobacco as the example, because no doubt somebody's about to tell me smoking is worse then coke) ;
- I quit smoking tomorrow.
- In 50 years time I contract cancer at the age of 75.
- The doctor will ask if I've ever smoked. I will answer "yes, 50 years ago"
- The people who make statistics will say I have smoking-related cancer.
Don't start using that arguement on me, I know how it works.
However, it's very kind of you to point out everything about Alcohol for me. Let's see however what Frank has to say about cocaine;
http://www.talktofrank.com/drugs.aspx?id=106
The risks of sticking the white stuff in you system (either up the nose or through the pipe)
# After a big night on cocaine, it's not unusual for people to feel like they've got the flu.
# Some people are over-confident on it and so may take very careless risks.
# The hit from coke doesn't last long and from 'crack' lasts even less. When the effects start to wear off there can be a very strong temptation to take more, particularly with the long 'come down', the crash period can happen days later.
# Crack and cocaine powder users have died from overdoses. High doses can raise the body's temperature, cause convulsions and respiratory or heart failure. Risk of overdosing increases if crack is mixed with heroin, barbiturates (sedatives) or alcohol.
# Cocaine is highly risky for anybody with high blood pressure or a heart condition. Perfectly healthy, young people can have a fit or heart attack after taking too much coke and you may not know you've got a pre-existing heart condition.
# Those who get into cocaine very often find they begin to crave it more. And because the effects wear off so quickly, cocaine and crack can become an expensive habit to keep.
# Using cocaine a lot makes people feel depressed and run down.
# People who use crack or coke regularly often develop serious problems with anxiety and paranoia. It's a known cause of panic attacks.
# Large or frequent use of coke tends to knock sexual desire on the head.
# Cocaine can bring previous mental health problems to the surface. If a close relative of yours has had serious mental health problems, it's possible there might be an increased risk for you in taking cocaine.
# Injecting any drug can cause vein damage, ulcers and gangrene, particularly with dirty equipment. Sharing of needles and other injecting works can help the spread of HIV and hepatitis virus infections.
# It's easier to overdose if you're injecting your cocaine. Cocaine is a local anaesthetic and it deadens pain at the injection site. This makes it harder for users to notice the damage they may be doing.
# Using cocaine with other drugs or alcohol (whether with depressant or stimulant substances) can substantially increase risk of side-effects.
# Alcohol and cocaine together can be particularly dangerous as the substances interact in the body to produce a toxic chemical. The risks further increase if other drugs are taken as well.
# Injecting a mixture of cocaine and heroin, known as a 'speedballing' is a dangerous cocktail – with potentially fatal results.
# Taking cocaine when you're pregnant can damage your baby. It may cause miscarriage, premature labour and low birth weight babies. Babies born to mothers who keep using throughout their pregnancy may experience a withdrawal syndrome after delivery.
# Heavy crack users may take heroin to try to dull their cravings. As a consequence, some crack users have become dependent on heroin as well.
# Regularly smoking crack can cause breathing problems and pains in the chest. Smoking anything damages the lungs.
Not nice stuff. In fact, even the effects are dumb;
* Taking cocaine makes users feel on top of the world. Its effect is like the stimulant 'amphetamines' (speed) but is stronger and doesn't last as long. People taking it feel wide-awake, confident and on top of their game.
* Cocaine is a stimulant, so it can raise the body's temperature, make the heart beat faster and stave off feelings of hunger.
* The effects of crack smoking are virtually immediate, peaking for about two minutes and lasting for only about 10 minutes. For snorted coke there is a slower time to peak but the effects still don't last that long (around 20-30 minutes).
Booze on the other hand; That's a long and slow progression into alcoholism. Yes, drink driving happens... But if a teenager wonders out without looking in front of a speeding car eith driven by a 19 year old boy racer or a drunk, net result is they're gonna die regardless... So that's not a fair comparisson.
Also, Coke has that interesting effect of killing you instantly (as highlighted). Booze don't do that. Mixing them maybe, but that's a whole new kettle of fish and often where the aggressive nature of drunks comes from... At least in England.
Anyway, have a read through that site. Facinating stuff on there.
- I quit smoking tomorrow.
- In 50 years time I contract cancer at the age of 75.
- The doctor will ask if I've ever smoked. I will answer "yes, 50 years ago"
- The people who make statistics will say I have smoking-related cancer.
Don't start using that arguement on me, I know how it works.
However, it's very kind of you to point out everything about Alcohol for me. Let's see however what Frank has to say about cocaine;
http://www.talktofrank.com/drugs.aspx?id=106
The risks of sticking the white stuff in you system (either up the nose or through the pipe)
# After a big night on cocaine, it's not unusual for people to feel like they've got the flu.
# Some people are over-confident on it and so may take very careless risks.
# The hit from coke doesn't last long and from 'crack' lasts even less. When the effects start to wear off there can be a very strong temptation to take more, particularly with the long 'come down', the crash period can happen days later.
# Crack and cocaine powder users have died from overdoses. High doses can raise the body's temperature, cause convulsions and respiratory or heart failure. Risk of overdosing increases if crack is mixed with heroin, barbiturates (sedatives) or alcohol.
# Cocaine is highly risky for anybody with high blood pressure or a heart condition. Perfectly healthy, young people can have a fit or heart attack after taking too much coke and you may not know you've got a pre-existing heart condition.
# Those who get into cocaine very often find they begin to crave it more. And because the effects wear off so quickly, cocaine and crack can become an expensive habit to keep.
# Using cocaine a lot makes people feel depressed and run down.
# People who use crack or coke regularly often develop serious problems with anxiety and paranoia. It's a known cause of panic attacks.
# Large or frequent use of coke tends to knock sexual desire on the head.
# Cocaine can bring previous mental health problems to the surface. If a close relative of yours has had serious mental health problems, it's possible there might be an increased risk for you in taking cocaine.
# Injecting any drug can cause vein damage, ulcers and gangrene, particularly with dirty equipment. Sharing of needles and other injecting works can help the spread of HIV and hepatitis virus infections.
# It's easier to overdose if you're injecting your cocaine. Cocaine is a local anaesthetic and it deadens pain at the injection site. This makes it harder for users to notice the damage they may be doing.
# Using cocaine with other drugs or alcohol (whether with depressant or stimulant substances) can substantially increase risk of side-effects.
# Alcohol and cocaine together can be particularly dangerous as the substances interact in the body to produce a toxic chemical. The risks further increase if other drugs are taken as well.
# Injecting a mixture of cocaine and heroin, known as a 'speedballing' is a dangerous cocktail – with potentially fatal results.
# Taking cocaine when you're pregnant can damage your baby. It may cause miscarriage, premature labour and low birth weight babies. Babies born to mothers who keep using throughout their pregnancy may experience a withdrawal syndrome after delivery.
# Heavy crack users may take heroin to try to dull their cravings. As a consequence, some crack users have become dependent on heroin as well.
# Regularly smoking crack can cause breathing problems and pains in the chest. Smoking anything damages the lungs.
Not nice stuff. In fact, even the effects are dumb;
* Taking cocaine makes users feel on top of the world. Its effect is like the stimulant 'amphetamines' (speed) but is stronger and doesn't last as long. People taking it feel wide-awake, confident and on top of their game.
* Cocaine is a stimulant, so it can raise the body's temperature, make the heart beat faster and stave off feelings of hunger.
* The effects of crack smoking are virtually immediate, peaking for about two minutes and lasting for only about 10 minutes. For snorted coke there is a slower time to peak but the effects still don't last that long (around 20-30 minutes).
Booze on the other hand; That's a long and slow progression into alcoholism. Yes, drink driving happens... But if a teenager wonders out without looking in front of a speeding car eith driven by a 19 year old boy racer or a drunk, net result is they're gonna die regardless... So that's not a fair comparisson.
Also, Coke has that interesting effect of killing you instantly (as highlighted). Booze don't do that. Mixing them maybe, but that's a whole new kettle of fish and often where the aggressive nature of drunks comes from... At least in England.
Anyway, have a read through that site. Facinating stuff on there.
N
Nidhogg
Guest
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Jan 21 2009, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Those 100,000 deaths don't come purely from dying of alcohol, they are alcohol related deaths. What was the percentage of road accidents caused by alcohol again, 35% or something? The same with homocides and other crimes, a lot of those only happen because people load themselves up on booze and do stupid stuff that end up killing not not only themselves, but other people.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Jan 21 2009, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
You know what, you are absolutely right, booze doesn't usually kill the drinker instantly. It does have the interesting effect that is often responsible for killing OTHER PEOPLE THAN THE ABUSER. So it's not just the user that suffers (through fault of his own), but other people as well, namely by being killed or seriously harming them. Surely this is much more harmful to society, and should thus be banned?
Also, why should someone else decide for me whether I can or can not use drugs, or alcohol for that matter.
Those 100,000 deaths don't come purely from dying of alcohol, they are alcohol related deaths. What was the percentage of road accidents caused by alcohol again, 35% or something? The same with homocides and other crimes, a lot of those only happen because people load themselves up on booze and do stupid stuff that end up killing not not only themselves, but other people.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Jan 21 2009, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
You know what, you are absolutely right, booze doesn't usually kill the drinker instantly. It does have the interesting effect that is often responsible for killing OTHER PEOPLE THAN THE ABUSER. So it's not just the user that suffers (through fault of his own), but other people as well, namely by being killed or seriously harming them. Surely this is much more harmful to society, and should thus be banned?
Also, why should someone else decide for me whether I can or can not use drugs, or alcohol for that matter.
J
jawmalawm24
Guest
I'd like to read all your fullaz storys but you write too much. All I know is cocaine is illegal and the idiot should be stung more than just a 2 year ban. If any of us were found with crack or cocaine in our system what would happen?
N
Nidhogg
Guest
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jawmalawm24 @ Jan 21 2009, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
In many countries, you'll very rarely be thrown in jail for having coke in your system. Depending on the strictness of the cops, small amounts in possession (a few grams) can go from having to turn in the stuff, a fine, night in jail, to court. Depends really if they even bother filing your case, or if they're too busy catching dealers, etc.
In many countries, you'll very rarely be thrown in jail for having coke in your system. Depending on the strictness of the cops, small amounts in possession (a few grams) can go from having to turn in the stuff, a fine, night in jail, to court. Depends really if they even bother filing your case, or if they're too busy catching dealers, etc.
B
Bullitt
Guest
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nidhogg @ Jan 21 2009, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
As I said earlier; Gary Glitter takes a shining to little girls, so on that basis what right does anyone have to stop him doing what he wants to them?
Face it, coke is a scurge on society and cannot be taken responsibly, like evey other class A drug. Alcohol however can, as can tobacco.
Or, on the off chance that everything is dangerous, ban bleach, petrol, soap, detergent, windowlene, heights, water, cats and chips. Overdoasing on all of them can also make people go silly and endanger the public.
As I said earlier; Gary Glitter takes a shining to little girls, so on that basis what right does anyone have to stop him doing what he wants to them?
Face it, coke is a scurge on society and cannot be taken responsibly, like evey other class A drug. Alcohol however can, as can tobacco.
Or, on the off chance that everything is dangerous, ban bleach, petrol, soap, detergent, windowlene, heights, water, cats and chips. Overdoasing on all of them can also make people go silly and endanger the public.
N
Nidhogg
Guest
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Jan 21 2009, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
As I said earlier; Gary Glitter takes a shining to little girls, so on that basis what right does anyone have to stop him doing what he wants to them?[/b][/quote]
Simple, in this case, he is infringing upon another person's rights. This is the foundation of my whole argument/belief, that people should be able to act freely in their own personal space, but should not infringe upon others.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Face it, alcohol is a scourge on society, and is often not take responsibly, and that kills every week than than coke over an entire year.
Unlike coke, it also kills a huge amount of people who didn't even take the substance to begin with, and is thus a leading cause in infringing upon other people's safety.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Indeed it can. I'm not the one who is arguing to ban things on the other hand, I think all of those things should be readily available. I couldn't imagine a live without chips.
As I said earlier; Gary Glitter takes a shining to little girls, so on that basis what right does anyone have to stop him doing what he wants to them?[/b][/quote]
Simple, in this case, he is infringing upon another person's rights. This is the foundation of my whole argument/belief, that people should be able to act freely in their own personal space, but should not infringe upon others.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Face it, alcohol is a scourge on society, and is often not take responsibly, and that kills every week than than coke over an entire year.
Unlike coke, it also kills a huge amount of people who didn't even take the substance to begin with, and is thus a leading cause in infringing upon other people's safety.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Indeed it can. I'm not the one who is arguing to ban things on the other hand, I think all of those things should be readily available. I couldn't imagine a live without chips.
B
Bullitt
Guest
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nidhogg @ Jan 21 2009, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Face it, alcohol is a scourge on society, and is often not take responsibly, and that kills every week than than coke over an entire year.
Unlike coke, it also kills a huge amount of people who didn't even take the substance to begin with, and is thus a leading cause in infringing upon other people's safety.
[/b][/quote]
You missed the point completely.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Therein is the problem. People who binge drink to get ****** up and cause trouble are just as bad as coke takers.
Nobody however will sit down with a line of coke to (for example) relax infront ot a film with the wife. They take it to go hyperactive while in a social environment, which in turn causes trouble all around.
90% of people who drink behave themselves and cause no problems for anyone. 100% of (tobacco) smokers behave themselves after a smoke.
100% of cocaine users however go hyperactive, loud, aggressive and break the law.
Face it, alcohol is a scourge on society, and is often not take responsibly, and that kills every week than than coke over an entire year.
Unlike coke, it also kills a huge amount of people who didn't even take the substance to begin with, and is thus a leading cause in infringing upon other people's safety.
[/b][/quote]
You missed the point completely.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Therein is the problem. People who binge drink to get ****** up and cause trouble are just as bad as coke takers.
Nobody however will sit down with a line of coke to (for example) relax infront ot a film with the wife. They take it to go hyperactive while in a social environment, which in turn causes trouble all around.
90% of people who drink behave themselves and cause no problems for anyone. 100% of (tobacco) smokers behave themselves after a smoke.
100% of cocaine users however go hyperactive, loud, aggressive and break the law.
Similar threads
