Martin Johnson

[Saintjay]

Well they really resent writing about anything other than football, so have to at least paint it in a bad light

That's the issue they are going to have a field day with this and we all know it's rubbish. The red tops will not want to talk about the real isse ie, why we were so bad.

I think Jono will stay from the way every one within the RFU is talking. I think part of the coaching team is to blame. They looked like they had the life coached out of them.

I know they should go back to Shaun Edwards and offer him every thing he wants to get on the coaching team. Offering him a saxons job was a big f'''k you and insulting.

 

[j-dawg]

I'd have wood in there at 7 and Seymour in the extended squad. Tough on Croft but he has to find form.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Fair point - Drop Seymour to the bench then
Too good not to be in the 22

 

[j-dawg]

Fair point - Drop Seymour to the bench then
Too good not to be in the 22

Now I don't know where to start with your Front row, i'm pretty bewildered to be honest with you...


...where's Tim Payne?

 

[B10]

Do you not think Twelvetrees is ready yet or just rate others higher?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

New head coach, obviously.




Austin Healy has said he wants Will Greenwood in the England coaching set-up..........I could get behind that

Also, I reckon Will Carling would be a good head coach. He's always making the right selections in his blogs/videos/twitter (read: the selections we make on here ) - Would never happen as the RFU want him dead, he'd be better than Johnson though, I think

Do you not think Twelvetrees is ready yet or just rate others higher?

I really really rate Twelvetrees - Had completely forgotten about him :lol: Put him in the 21 shirt
Also Allen needs to be involved, Tom Homer is on fire too.....damn we've got too many good players to choose from :lol:
How the hell did we end up with Hape/Bananaman as our centre options?!

 

[j-dawg]

I'd be up for Will Carling being involved. His newspaper columns always seem to be what I'm thinking. But you have to remember, it all seems so clear to us outsiders whereas in the camp, a lot of the selections have to be based on training (for example, imagine if Corbiserio had been breaking his own neck on the scrum machine and Stevens was wheeling it 360 degrees with minimal effort).

and Twelvetrees needs to be given a game this 6 nations. No buts.

 

[Peat]

Having given the matter considerable thought, I regret to say that Mr Johnson should



To clarify my position in case of ambiguity I present the following





So, in summation, we must politely say to Johnno, legend that he may be



He has had his chance. He has had his bad moments and his good. In total though he has not shown enough. This was his opportunity to make a compelling argument for him staying and he failed. He has placed his faith too much in the wrong players and WAY, WAY TOO MUCH in the wrong coaches. I cannot emphasise the last point enough.

The result has been an inconsistent hodgepodge that saps hope and belief - inconsistent in performance, in selection and most critically in tactics. We don't have a style of play. I'm not sure we have a gameplan.

So, the time has come for him to go. If he wants to be a coach, he needs to go and learn how to be a coach, as he should have done in the first place. I am not sure who replaces him but there is a massive list of people out there better qualified for the role.

A head coach's role is to get a team to perform as more than the sum of its parts. That is what success is. Johnson, at the final hurdle, didn't even manage to them to equal the sum.

p.s. Olyy, Gray should be ahead of Webber and possibly Hartley, Kitchener has been poo and there's a long list of locks who deserve a place ahead of him...

... and I'd drop Ashton. England have plenty of wing prospects that we don't need to pick him if he's off-form. Tell him to sort his defence as well. Monye was in **** hot form before he got injured, Ojo's back in form, whats the name of that Sarries lad again, Wade has defence issues but is super scary, then there's Miles Benjamin etc.etc. ... certainly, if Youngs and Croft are being placed on the altar, then I see no reason Ashton shouldn't join them.

edit: These small pictures ruin my post. Boo.

edit edit: All these posts saying Greenwood, Carling... no. Just no. Unless they've got coaching records I'm unaware of. Enough ex-players, lets have coaches doing the coaching. If those men want to coach, tellt hem to go learn their trade.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

p.s. Olyy, Gray should be ahead of Webber and possibly Hartley, Kitchener has been poo and there's a long list of locks who deserve a place ahead of him...

... and I'd drop Ashton. England have plenty of wing prospects that we don't need to pick him if he's off-form. Tell him to sort his defence as well. Monye was in **** hot form before he got injured, Ojo's back in form, whats the name of that Sarries lad again, Wade has defence issues but is super scary, then there's Miles Benjamin etc.etc. ... certainly, if Youngs and Croft are being placed on the altar, then I see no reason Ashton shouldn't join them.

Fair enough - My mind really goes blank when I try and think of English hookers (ooh matron), however now you've mentioned Joe Gray I do remember him
Kitchener played very well for the Saxons, I haven't seen him for Tigers but I thought that he hadn't gotten a lot of game time, so was just going off of that

Makes sense about Ashton - He runs great lines but is a **** poor defender and probably the worst at the ruck on the team (9/10 he gives away a penalty)

I think he's a very good player, but as you said, the form isn't there so why should be held above Croft/Youngs etc. - especially when Croft has a better track record/is a Lion etc.

But yeah, we have a number of decent wingers playing to choose from


Also, anyone else agree that Mike Brown deserves some game time? Seems to have gotten over his being-a-******** stage and is playing very well - did so last season as well
Could see him, given a chance, really pushing Foden

 

[Peat]

Brown deserves a chance. The problem is - I really rate Foden, Armitage has done better than most in this tournament, Goode deserves a go, Olly Morgan is clean forgotten... we have some ridiculous depth at full-back. But yes, Brown deserves his shot.

Ashton is a very good player, who could be incredibly good... same with Croft, same with Youngs. I think the fact Youngs has been rusty post injury has possibly been one of the biggest reasons for our shatness, and the fact he plays better with Flood ample reason to pick Flood. And apparently I'm alone in thinking Croft's done some good stuff. But a touch of ruthlessness wouldn't go amiss - and hopefully, this will push these players on.

Kitchener... well, in fairness, the Tigers' pack has been an absolute cluster-f**k. I haven't watched that much, but what I've seen and heard is not complimentary.

We are short of options here its true. George, Webber, and Lindsay all have futures, but in the short term they consist of splinter collecting, with Webber and Lindsay fighting each other for that. Other than that... Paice, he's not bad.

 

[Saintjay]

New head coach, obviously.




Austin Healy has said he wants Will Greenwood in the England coaching set-up..........I could get behind that

Also, I reckon Will Carling would be a good head coach. He's always making the right selections in his blogs/videos/twitter (read: the selections we make on here ) - Would never happen as the RFU want him dead, he'd be better than Johnson though, I think



I really really rate Twelvetrees - Had completely forgotten about him :lol: Put him in the 21 shirt
Also Allen needs to be involved, Tom Homer is on fire too.....damn we've got too many good players to choose from :lol:
How the hell did we end up with Hape/Bananaman as our centre options?!

Did you catch Healy and Dawson on five live???

 

[stus768]

Graham Henry as manager?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Did you catch Healy and Dawson on five live???

Nah, saw people on Twitter mention it though

 

[Getofmeland]

Johnson, has to go, he is being ruled by the Players, the latest is Manu, be held and warned over jumping off a ferry in Auckland, the England team look like they have just gone a Jolly Boys Holiday... Not gone there to do a job...

I would happily see Greenwood in the setup, but it would have to be the right coaching setup, the guy knows his Rugby and when he played he always had a good Rugby brain... As for Carling as Head Coach, it would be great to see but unless there is a change at the top it will never happen. The Next England coach needs to be English, we can't go abroad for a coach, we are already a joke, lets not end up like the football side...

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Greenwood would make a good backs or attack coach - I think



Hard to think of many/any English coaches who could step up though - I mean there's guys like Mallinder and Booth out there, but I don't know whether they'd be the right guys for the job.....
Then again, Johnson came in with 0 experience, so anything would be a notch up on that

All depends on Contracts though - if Johnson were to get the boot now/in December, you'd have to find someone who could join right away, which rules out everyone who is coaching atm, as I doubt they'd be able to leave their club mid-season (if they even wanted to do that)


Geech would be great, but I don't think it would happen (and he's Scottish )

 

[Saintjay]

Nah, saw people on Twitter mention it though

They were both good, taking phone ins, both still backing Jono. That's not a surprise I guess as they are mates with him.

Healy hates Cipriani with a passion. They think the future is bright but tend to think we will start with a similar set up in the 6n's.

Oh and as I said earlier people seem keen on Mallet if Jono goes well the RFU do.

 

[stus768]

Johnson, has to go, he is being ruled by the Players, the latest is Manu, be held and warned over jumping off a ferry in Auckland, the England team look like they have just gone a Jolly Boys Holiday... Not gone there to do a job...

I would happily see Greenwood in the setup, but it would have to be the right coaching setup, the guy knows his Rugby and when he played he always had a good Rugby brain... As for Carling as Head Coach, it would be great to see but unless there is a change at the top it will never happen. The Next England coach needs to be English, we can't go abroad for a coach, we are already a joke, lets not end up like the football side...

Can we go for a proven coach not an ex-player with unknown abilities in this area? Why do they need to be English?? Doesn't seem to have worked for the last 8 years.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I've never agreed with having foreign head coaches: players have to be English or English qualified, head coaches should be the same.

 

[stus768]

I've never agreed with having foreign coaches - players have to be English or English qualified - head coaches should be the same.

Why not have the best person available? Why all the xenophobia? How can new ideas be transferred from more successful countries if new people aren't bought in?

 

[Getofmeland]

I wouldn't class it xenophobia, that's a bit extreme... I don't want someone who is just here for the Salary or because they have got a name, I would like a proven English Coach, someone who feed the passion and pride into the English squad, I don't think a foreign coach would ever be able to do that..

I use the example of Football, England have a foreign coach, since the first one the team has lacked passion, pride and the things which make England...

We have a variety of depth and knowledge within this country regarding Rugby, and yes there are Ex players in this mix, but I agree we can't just pick some because of their playing career, as to play and to coach are two different tasks, but we should be encouraging the talent within the coaching scene, that means giving jobs to players when they retire, letting them move through the ranks of their clubs etc etc...